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Dirty Meg 08-05-2004 10:16 PM

I'm trying to get fit and I've just run a mile. I think I am going to be sick.
What would be a good time for a mile? Is 7 mins 56 secs good, bad or average?

Larry_OHF 08-05-2004 10:31 PM

<font color=skyblue>Depends on your age, weight, and gender, which I already know is female.

The reason you are sick is because you probably stopped moving all together after the extensive run...right? You are supposed to keep moving, like walk around and let your body adjust. If not, then yes you will feel nausiated or even worse could happen.

I'll look up the average for you if you want me to in my health book to let you know how good you did.

BTW...did you check your pulse after the run? if so, you should also check it five minutes after the run, which should show that you are back to normal. If not, then there could be problems with your health.

Before any of that, you should know what your blood pressure is at absolute rest. Do so by checking it for three days the very minute you wake up in the morning and take the average. Note...your blood pressure will be slightly higher if you wake up by alarm clock and more accurate if you wake up without assistance.

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<font color=lightgreen>BTW>>>Yes, your time is good...not impressive but good.</font> [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 08-05-2004, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]

Arledrian 08-05-2004 10:33 PM

Jogging is really quite an unpleasant way to get fit - it makes you dizzy, sweaty, and nauseous. It also puts heavy strain on your knees and ankles. Going for a brisk walk for half an hour a day is a lot more pleasant and will get you the same result. It's also a lot easier on your joints and heart, and does great things in the cardiovascular department. I'd run with that if I were you (pun absolutely intended).

Larry_OHF 08-05-2004 10:42 PM

<font color=skyblue>Another thing. You should never run long enough to lose the ability to speak clearly to another person running next to you. If you are breathing too hard to sing your favorite song aloud while jogging...STOP! You are straining your respitory system too far!

I had a class on Health at UNCG.

That is the only way I know this stuff.
I am speaking from my text book and not from experience.</font>

[ 08-05-2004, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]

Dirty Meg 08-05-2004 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Larry_OHF:
<font color=skyblue>Depends on your age, weight, and gender, which I already know is female.

The reason you are sick is because you probably stopped moving all together after the extensive run...right? You are supposed to keep moving, like walk around and let your body adjust. If not, then yes you will feel nausiated or even worse could happen.

I'll look up the average for you if you want me to in my health book to let you know how good you did.

BTW...did you check your pulse after the run? if so, you should also check it five minutes after the run, which should show that you are back to normal. If not, then there could be problems with your health.

Before any of that, you should know what your blood pressure is at absolute rest. Do so by checking it for three days the very minute you wake up in the morning and take the average. Note...your blood pressure will be slightly higher if you wake up by alarm clock and more accurate if you wake up without assistance.

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age 22 weight 8 stone (more or less). Based on that, is 7:56 ok? My pulse took about 10 minutes to return to normal and I still feel slightly strange. How do you find out your blood pressure?

Gangrell 08-05-2004 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dirty Meg:
age 22 weight 8 stone (more or less). Based on that, is 7:56 ok? My pulse took about 10 minutes to return to normal and I still feel slightly strange.
Basicly, if you can run a mile in under 10 minutes, then you're in good shape. The ten minute mark itself is on the average level I think.

Larry_OHF 08-05-2004 10:53 PM

<font color=skyblue>
Yes, your time is very good. Females are generally faster than males. I am not in shape at all, and am 28 years old. I did a mile in 12 minutes. The girls in my class that were your age were doing about what you are now...and the teacher said they were doing well.

You feel strange because you over excerted yourself. Get some rest. It will go away soon.

You check your pressure by finding your pulse either on your wrist or your jugular vein, and watching the clock. When you desire to start counting,,,have a predetermined stopping point for the second-hand. Let's say 30 seconds.

How many times did you feel your pulse in 30 seconds? Multiply by two. That will give you beats per minute.

Of course, if you count by fifteen seconds, then multiply by four.

And after running, it is better to have another person take your count...as a rested person would get it more accurate than you after you have just run a mile. </font>

Dron_Cah 08-06-2004 01:02 AM

Uh, not to be nosey, but what's a stone? I know it's a measurement of weight in Europe, or whatver, but what's it equivalent to?

T-D-C 08-06-2004 03:19 AM

Sorry if this appears to nosey but 1 stone is about 6.3KG or 14 pounds IIRC.

Dron_Cah 08-06-2004 01:11 PM

Alright, thank you, T-D-C. [img]smile.gif[/img] I've heard this referred to before, so I was rather curious.

Link 08-06-2004 01:22 PM

Wow! 8 stone is not much!

Aelia Jusa 08-06-2004 05:32 PM

You should also make sure you have really good shoes before you do jogging. Running is quite hard on your joints so you need a lot of cushioning. Another reason walking is better - you can get the same results with a lot less wear and tear.

Attalus 08-06-2004 06:38 PM

I walk, for those reasons, after I screwed up my knee running. Galadria does marathons.

Marathon 08-07-2004 01:00 PM

I'd say that's pretty good to start out. If you're sick after a run, especially after just starting out, you need to take it a little easier. I'll probably catch flak for this, but I've never thought walking was even close to running as far as exercise. For one, it is not the same quality of cardiovascular exercise. Also, if you were to to the same distance walking as you can running, you could very well be walking for a LONG time. I'd say stick with running, slowly increase your distance over several weeks, and if you get to feeling sick, short of breathe, or dizzy during a run, walk for a bit. Pick out a landmark and make a decision to walk to it, then pick up the pace again after that. Keeps from walking for a real long time, which is tempting.

Marathon 08-07-2004 01:02 PM

Oh yeah, as mentioned before, shoes are key. If you are serious about it, go to a specialty store and have them fit you for the right type, or you'll end up with problems eventually.

Lord 08-07-2004 02:03 PM

Running is a completely different exercize from running and it works different muscles too. Running is healthier for you I think, except for on your knees. Running gets you in shape better, as well.

Jorath Calar 08-07-2004 03:31 PM

What I know about jogging, it's pretty simple, you put one leg in front of the other and repeat either until you have arrived at your destination or you collapse from exhaustion...

[img]smile.gif[/img]

WillowIX 08-07-2004 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Larry_OHF:
<font color=skyblue>You check your pressure by finding your pulse either on your wrist or your jugular vein, and watching the clock. When you desire to start counting,,,have a predetermined stopping point for the second-hand. Let's say 30 seconds.

How many times did you feel your pulse in 30 seconds? Multiply by two. That will give you beats per minute. </font>

Are you really sure about that one Larry? ;) To derive the blood pressure from your pulse you need to multiply the pulse with the resistance of the blood vessels, which is rather hard to find out. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Meg, I wouldn't worry about your blood pressure at your age and especially since you only weigh 50kg. If anything it could be on the lower side. Do you feel dizzy when standing still for a while? Do you feel dizzy when getting up from bed or a chair all the time (getting out of bed in the mornings does not count)? Attalus, our local expert physician, probably has several more pieces of knowledge about this. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Btw, swimming is the ultimate exercise should you have problems with running. It may be boring to most people but you work out every part of your body at the same time and you don't get short of breath. I also find it relaxing and very soothing.

uss 08-07-2004 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord:
Running is a completely different exercize from running and it works different muscles too.
I disagree. [img]tongue.gif[/img]


EDIT: Feeling that I should tribute something on-topic to this conversation: At schooldays, I mostly run a distance of 3,2 kilometres(2 miles) before school and my time is about 12-14 minutes. But I'm 15 years old and weigh 55 kilograms, so we're kinda on a different scale. ;)

[ 08-07-2004, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: uss ]

Larry_OHF 08-07-2004 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WillowIX:

Are you really sure about that one Larry? ;) To derive the blood pressure from your pulse you need to multiply the pulse with the resistance of the blood vessels, which is rather hard to find out. [img]smile.gif[/img]
<font color=skyblue>yeah, I mixed up the words pulse and pressure which are two different things. It was the pulse I was trying to refer to, which is what our teacher taught us to use for determining the effect of the running on our hearts and weighing that against our physical health.

Sorry for the confusive post.</font>

Svaerdhelgon 08-07-2004 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Link:
Wow! 8 stone is not much!
Meh!
I weigh 11,5 stone and I´m a 6foot 3inch tall guy.
And I wouldn´t call myself very skinny,my BMI is about 20 anyway and that´s normal.
Oh and I suck at running,no cardio at all,I can´t run more than 3km before having to stop and recover.

Arledrian 08-07-2004 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord:
Running is a completely different exercize from running.
Are you sure on that one, dude?

uss 08-08-2004 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arledrian:
Jogging is really quite an unpleasant way to get fit - it makes you dizzy, sweaty, and nauseous. It also puts heavy strain on your knees and ankles. Going for a brisk walk for half an hour a day is a lot more pleasant and will get you the same result. It's also a lot easier on your joints and heart, and does great things in the cardiovascular department. I'd run with that if I were you (pun absolutely intended).
I'm not sure about that. I once read an article from a magazine that said that short distance runners get less heart attacks than long distance runners. It said that running short distances quickly is good for the heart.

It was a long time ago and the article was very short, so I don't really know whether it was true or not.

[ 08-08-2004, 07:15 AM: Message edited by: uss ]

Intrepid 08-08-2004 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arledrian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lord:
Running is a completely different exercize from running.

Are you sure on that one, dude? </font>[/QUOTE]He meand completly different from walking

Eagle eye 08-09-2004 02:50 AM

People say it's easier if you breathe through your nose, but I'm not intirely sure. I have to do X-country practice four times a week. I have learnt that running is not an easy skill to master. I do know from experience that taking big strides at full speed down-hill does effect your knees and be sure to warm up stretch and warm down or else you will feel the pain of ...
sore legs.(and the pain can last for a few weeks.)


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