Okay, I just installed WoW, and I am now level 6 after an hour or three. I am a Dwarven Paladin, and on the (PW Frostlady server--I think thats right) I am in the first Inn you reach so far.

I just thought that it would be good to give tips for new users starting out. How to make money--It's slow going. So far, the only money I am finding, is off of semi-humanoid types (trolls, and such) they give a few coppers. And the quests sometimes give you 50-90 copper, but when you see items that are like 5 silver (100 copper = 1 silver) its kinda slow to find loot.

Any tips? I've completed 8 quests in the starting area, and have my inn as my home, and if you log out in the inn, you gain a rest bonus.

When you get a profession, life becomes much much much easier.

Since your a Dwarven Paladin, Mining and Blacksmithing is a great choice.

And since your a dwarf, there are great options for you in terms of making money. Early on Wendigos offer great things while demanding little. They can be skinned. They almost always drop money and cloth.
The real key is finding your own money making area however. Humanoids always drop good coin, and linen cloth. Linen cloth is your best little friend early on. It sells for a great price, and sells even better once you find an auction house.

Also, early levels don't see to much of the silvers. You'll really start getting some nice coinage around level 14+, when good (green) items are semi-frequent.

So basically, low level characters look for humanoids, and wherever gets you the best deals. Everyone finds a certain hunting zone of their preference, where they can maximize the most out of a small area.

Also, never underestimate the auction house. It is your best friend. An example: I found an alchemy recipe that require an alchemy skill of 70. It could be sold for a vendor for 4 silver or so. I put that bad boy up in an auction house, walked out with a jingling of 2 whole gold pieces.

The auction house (when accessible), is sorta like the WoW stock market. If you study the trends carefully, you can make a huge profit and have few losses. But if you aren't careful, you won't gain much.

Some tips for the auction house: Hold onto any recipes you can't use, they sell like wildfire at the auction houses.

Supplies for production professions (Blacksmithing, Leatherworking, Alchemy, Tailoring) often sell well. However, the key is to see what is selling. If there are hordes of light leather on the market and they are being auctioned off like crazy, join in. But if another product, say linen cloth, ain't selling to well, don't waste your time.

Auction during peak hours. Thats usually afternoonish around your realm, when most players are on. You can get the best deals when everyone is rushing in and out.

I could write a tome on this...

VERY good advice! Also, when making an auction, should you leave it up for a short time if you don't know if it'll sell well? Because the house gets a percentage?

Yeah, I went to the auction house, and it was packed (in Ironforge). BTW, I do plan to make mining and blacksmithing my trades! [img]smile.gif[/img] I may start up a little business! :D

I tried gathering/crafting combo, and I tried 2 gathering skills, and it seem that just getting gathering skills pay more. For example mining and herb picking, since you can get tons of cash for the material. The only problem is that you then need to buy your equipments.

I used up so much material to raise my tradeskills that i'd probably be rich by now if I had just sold them.

I have a decent level tailor and leatherworker, as well as a low level 15 Smith and engineer. If anyone join the Icecrown server give me a shout and I can hook you up with bags and armors.

Lol, our own little IW black market.

As for Ziroc...

Experiment with all kinds of things. I haven't played the short auction time yet, mainly because I just don't think it would sell well. But it makes me wonder if you auctioned a nice item at a low auction time for during peak hours, maybe it would be a buying frenzy. My guess is no but why not give it a try.

But for starters, go with whatever you feel comfortable with. I started auction houses with long durations, and while the percentage fee is a problem, when you get higher money amounts it is negligable.

Also, once you get a feel for the market itself, start putting up buyout prices. If you know what sells great and have a feel for how certain items sell, put it up. You'd be amazed what happens.

Presonally, I don't bid on long auctions.

I want the short ones. Maybe a medium (2hours) one if I'm desperate, but not long ones.

I don't see any value in leather. Beast are just too common.

My recipes use the equivalent of about 80-100 light leather now. I got that and more in one run in any beast populated area.

Leather is so common I stoped going out of my way to find beasts because I was at the point I could create items 4 and 5 levels above me.

[ 01-04-2005, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

Tailoring pays the most IMHO since bags retail for high prices and gathering the material is less choresome than most other skills. Still, I'd never take tailoring just for the money as some people do, I'd of course have to be a cloth-wearing mage or sommat.

The value in leather and ore lie in the time spent to mine/collect it. Linen kills time but gets you xp as you loot it mostly from kills.

But that's my point. You don't lose any time getting leather, I'd say about half the monsters in the games are beast. You can't go in a zone and not encounter beasts.

I agree with mining, mines are rares and spread around, but if I wanted, I could get tousand of light and medium leather in a day.

In about 30-60 mins of hunting, I can fill all my pack slots with maxed stack of leather.

Leather is way more common than any other material, even linen/wool/silk/mageweave.

You get maybe one piece of tissue every 5-20 humanoid. You get 1-2 leather every beast. Anything above level 15 don't drop ruined leather either.

Well I took leatherworking on my Druid and I did find I still have to go out of my way to find leather.

Most of my quests at one stage involved Gnarls so in theory if I wanted to find leather I'd have to deter from my quests a bit and do some random animal hunting. I then need to find where the higher level animals are at but may end up settling for some lower levels with less to no xp.
Like I said, I found tailoring to be way easier cuz you find linen in chests more and on every second foe from Gnolls to Spirits. But then it also depends on where you are I suppose, I do see your point and leather is defo. up there with the 'easier' skills. Just not sure if it is as easy as tailoring is.

Well in terms of trade skills, it depends on your region. Naturally, Orc, Taurens, and Trolls will have an easier time skinning because the surrounding environment is great for skinning.

Azeroth has much more humanoids that drop clothes, so tailoring looks like a better match.

Like I said, it mainly depends on your area, although they try to give every region everything, some places are better than others.

Is there any merchant skill in the game so you can pay less for things and sell things with a huge profit?

Yeah it's called the auction house :D .

LOL thanks, new name for that skill i think never heard that version before! hehe :D

[ 01-07-2005, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: Megabot ]

My rogue at level 15 had about 170 in skinning. Monsters level 16-17 were a gray difficulty for her skinning, she got no skills point for those.

Even now at level 25 most thing are green to her.

I don't know how high your tailor is, but once you get out of the linen it get a lot harder to make items.

Wool is rarer, and on top of that, you need 3 wool to make a bolt of woolen cloth.

You need in average 3-5 bolt of woolen cloth to make an item. That's 9-15 wool per item.

Silk is even rarer...

Every zones I've seen has skinable monsters.

Boars, bears, tigers, wolves, lions, hydra, sea monsters, deer, rabbits, crocodiles, raptors, dragons... There are at least one of those in every zone I've seen so far. You can get at least one piece of leather on each of those.

Once a leatherworker get to around level 12, the monsters he is hunting and his skill will be high enough that he never get ruined leather anymore.

I can go in any zone and in an hour kill a couple hundread of skinnables. That mean a couple hundread of leather per hour.

I've tested all tradeskill, and I can tell you the easiest to get material is leatherworker/skinner.

If you want to go for money, I really suggest mining/herb picking. People are always in need of those. You can even sell the cloth you find on humanoid for even more money.

For cloth to be as common as leather, every humanoid would have to drop 1-2 cloth, every time.

[ 01-07-2005, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

Yes, I think leatherworking becomes better as you go up. At first between failures and scraps I found linen to outdo it. But you're dead right about wool and silk becoming rare as you progress.

I am more impressed with skinning/leatherworking as opposed to smithing/mining. Mining takes a hell of a long time and even locating ore (despite the minimap) is a pain.

The problem with mining is that if you want to keep your smithing high enough to make items for yourself, you have to go out and look for mines, that's why mining material is so valuable.

Herb picking is like that too.

Yep and I found that by the time I learned something hip and new I'd already found a better item in drops or in the store. I didn't work on smithing all day but did it enough, and it kinda defeats the purpose if you have to do more smithing than adventuring in order for it to serve you. Pity herbalism is the same cuz alchemy has some great potential imho.

My brother's smith can make himself usefull items, but every few days he has to do a couple ore run to raise his skills.

To keep my tailoring up there I had to ask my guildmate to send me material, as well as send the ones I found with my other characters.

My Leatherworker has no problem so far. There was a point she could do stuff that was 4 levels higher than her, so I stoped collecting material for a while. Now she's only one level ahead.

I made a low level engineer and I had fun with it, but enginering seem like it's going to be even harder to level than smithing.

Just trained a bunch of spells, cost over 15 gold lol. We are combining with two other guilds (plus friends) for a massive raid on a horde city. Likely 2+ raid groups so over 100 people [img]smile.gif[/img] Its gonna be a blast (I'm a pyro mage, pun intended [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

Tried smithing all the way to 17 then respecced. Leatherworking is good and I found has more immediate uses (light armor kits etc.). Engineering is indeed a pain, a mate of mine has it. Although you can certainly make some nice gadgets with it.

Cool, are you going after Orgrimar?

let us know how it went. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Ok, I am level 9, and a Dwarven Paladin. I wanna learn how to use a sword (I found a rare one but don't have the proficiency to use it) I went to a weapons master, and couldn't find the option to learn it. (In Ironforge) all of the weapon masters covered maces, axes, and such. no sword.

Any ideas? Someone said I could learn it from my paladin trainer, but I see no skill to learn the sword.. just spells and special moves. Do I have to be a higher level? Maybe level 10?

Isn't the weaponmaster that teaches sword in the human stronghold? What is it called again.. Stormwind?

There is a weaponmaster in Stormwind, and one in Darnassus too.

Darnassus teach Fist Weapons and Bow, I think the one in Stormwind teach one hand sword.

It's hard to be certain on their skill list, because it depend on the character class. Some class don't get offered some skills.

Paladins get offered swords at Stormwind.

Best way to make money is through going to instances after you get some more levels and selling magic items from them. I find that I have enough money in general to keep a character up to date with skills and get a few things on the AH every level. Though I jsut dropped alchemy/herbalism on a character for mining/engineering and quickly grinded it. Loss of money after getting up to 140 engineering.

Crafts can make money, but the servers all run different economies, some will have high value trade goods and some have high value gems and so on so it is hard for people to say how it is in general.

Everyone picks on the horde. Alliance outnumbers horde by so many its not even funny. That and all the high level chars on are the alliance. We need more horde players.

Then play on Bonechewer. Horde has numbers and levels.

Everyone picks on the horde. Alliance outnumbers horde by so many its not even funny. That and all the high level chars on are the alliance. We need more horde players. </font>[/QUOTE]I made an horde character on my server, and while there are a lot less players, the average horde character is around level 40-50, while the average alliance one is 20-30...

I saw a lot more level 60 horde guys than alliance ones.

Look like only the good players had the perseverence to continue on the horde side, the other ones moved to Alliance.

http://www.wowcensus.com/no_realm.php?sort=count

A great tool indeed. And I envy those who are on a server where horde outnumbers alliance. I long to see the day when we take Stormwind on Dalaran...

The census can't be trusted. There are holes in it from people not submitting data.

Yes, a blue posted saying exactly that. I think it was Cadyem.

Everyone picks on the horde. Alliance outnumbers horde by so many its not even funny. That and all the high level chars on are the alliance. We need more horde players. </font>[/QUOTE]It was the Undercity, if you think thats easy picking then so be it [img]tongue.gif[/img] We all died, but took a few with us ;) Like the bank lol. Its not like we went after Taurens Mills, so passe.

Everyone picks on the horde. Alliance outnumbers horde by so many its not even funny. That and all the high level chars on are the alliance. We need more horde players. </font>[/QUOTE]It was the Undercity, if you think thats easy picking then so be it [img]tongue.gif[/img] We all died, but took a few with us ;) Like the bank lol. Its not like we went after Taurens Mills, so passe. </font>[/QUOTE]It's Tarrens Mill first off [img]tongue.gif[/img] and secondly, I think the hardest city to take is either undercity or Ogrimmar. Point is that rarely does the horde successfully embark on a raid. Last time we attempted a raid, we got halted in Ashenvale after they raided Crossroads.

And regardless if the census is inaccurate or not, alliance still outnumbers horde on most servers. Its those paladins, I swear...

Well... I'm playing an horde shaman in my spare time, and about half the players are shamans too...

Don't start the "I fought a paladin and he completely healed 3 times! I was at 10% health by the time I got him" routine, or I'll just tell you that if he needed 3 lives to have a chance of killing you once, then he's certainly not overpowered... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

If he couldn't do that he'd be a total failure...

Well Secretmaster horde are juus plain ugly so not my fault your underpopulated. I mean really how how hot is a revived dead chick? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Turn to to the light! Beides I have these spiffy pants that makes my girl look sexy, my god man they just wouldnt do for an undead girl toon

Pfft, paladins are no good pansy people wielding the light. And come, you can't tell me that a female troll in a rugged hunter outfit isn't sexy. I mean, they got it all.

And besides, I much rather RP a tauren, they are nearly identical to the Night Elves. Thats the one thing I dislike about the factions and such, NE and Tauren are on peaceful terms but actuall players aren't. Ruins the mood.

And I don't think the Paladin is overpowered or anything, it is just nuts on the amount of Paladins we see when they raid us, or just out in the wilderness. Shaman are the way to go, shaman and only shaman.

Undercity is ahrd to raid as you got the two lifts in that slow people down. Been there and tried it. Bit harder to raid Darnassus to be honest, you need to fight into a town to wait on a boat and then fight through a village and emerge at a small guard post. And don't die there, the graveyard is miles away and it is hard to get off the island without using your hearthstone.

Pfft, paladins are no good pansy people wielding the light. And come, you can't tell me that a female troll in a rugged hunter outfit isn't sexy. I mean, they got it all.

And besides, I much rather RP a tauren, they are nearly identical to the Night Elves. Thats the one thing I dislike about the factions and such, NE and Tauren are on peaceful terms but actuall players aren't. Ruins the mood.

And I don't think the Paladin is overpowered or anything, it is just nuts on the amount of Paladins we see when they raid us, or just out in the wilderness. Shaman are the way to go, shaman and only shaman. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm an horde player too, the onyl reason I went Aliance is because my friend did.

Tauren are noble, Orcs are too in their way, and I just love trolls. Undead are interesting, but I don't think they have their place in the horde... Don'T the horde realise they'd turn them into undead too at the first occasion?

I too don't like the fact that Tauren and NE are ennemies. They should at least get a common druidic language or something. After all, they share the same druid lands.

What server do you play on again? Maybe I'll drop in and make an horde there for fun...

Druids should get a druid language to share, rather than dancing to try send coded messages to each other.

Ah but theres a back way in-the sewers. Only one lvl 60 guards it then your in. Then its cake till the big horde guys get there, when it becomes bit harder. As in death but hey its fun, horde hits our towns too, adds a bit too game and you dont have to pvp if you dont want to.