Not sure if this should be in the current events thread or here, but I'd like to get other peoples opinions on making themselves targets of the RIAA:


Recording Industry Plans "Amnesty" for Music Sharers
Electronic Frontier Foundation Says Share, Get Artists Paid
Electronic Frontier Foundation Media Advisory
San Francisco - Numerous news sources, including Billboard and Associated Press, have reported since yesterday that the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) will announce an "amnesty" program for people who are sharing music files online perhaps as early as next week.

"Rather than demanding that 60 million people sharing music files turn themselves in with a so-called 'amnesty' program, the recording industry should take this opportunity to make file-sharing legal in exchange for a reasonable fee," said Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Staff Attorney Wendy Seltzer. "Stepping into the spotlight to admit your guilt is probably not a sensible course for most people sharing music files online, especially since the RIAA doesn't control many potential sources of lawsuits."

story here=>http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/20030905_eff_pr.php

I can't quite see how they want to offer an amnesty on something which is not yet perfectly clear if is illegal.

<font color=cadetblue>Do they honestly think that people will come to them and tell them that they've downloaded files and deleted them? Please...that's one fo the worst ideas I've heard.</font>

Of course it's stupid. The RIAA is made up of fat cat recording company executives who want to protect their luxurious lifestyle and know nothing about computers or the internet.

True. but that is why they have hired hackers to find people who share. if only someone would do something about their illegal hacking!

share music? who said anything about me sharing music. yes, i download it, but i dont share it. its stolen from me. stolen i say!!!! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I turn myself in right now- I didn't do anything wrong. Many of my cd's were lent to roomie's and out of my control :rolleyes:

True. but that is why they have hired hackers to find people who share. if only someone would do something about their illegal hacking! </font>[/QUOTE]Oh please, as if hackers would work for a company full of guys fat with money who would as soon turn them in for being a hacker.

Oh yea, that's an idea. Go and admit you've downloaded illegal software, thinking they're your friends so you can get the cuffs thrown on you, haha, right...

I wish they would just keep their dignity and give it a rest, you can't stop 4,000,000+ people from downloading files.

<font color="red" size="5">Get over it!</font> [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 09-09-2003, 09:24 PM: Message edited by: Gangrell ]

#1 how does the RIAA know that you have music on your comp??

#2 if they hack into it to find out , how do we get them prosecuted for it?

THis is realy getting out of hand. They are going to sue people for dowloading crap like briteny spears and usher.It makes me want to make my 4gig music hard drive available on an ftp for all the world to get into. I say let them sue me. I will give them the only 2 things I truly possess, the finger and well , my other finger. [img]graemlins/finger.gif[/img]

They find songs and the like on your computers because they taped into Kazaa and have it bugged. It's a load of crap, they point fingers at people and saying they're the ones giving them the trouble, but here's the industry going out of their way injecting viruses into downloads, royaly screwing up your hard drive, and when they do find your IP number by scanning it, it's an invasion of your privacy.

They're breaking two big times rules by invasion of privacy and destruction of personal property. But of course you can't do anything about it, they're roll out their money with their lawyers (no offense to you TL) and they will always throw the copywriting thing in your face.

With a collosal industry against a small town or city guy, who do you honestly think will win?

I have an alternative to fighting them in court. You all remember the end scene in Fight Club, dont you? You do the math.

They say that they are trying to drive people to the pay download sites by doing this. I have heard that there has been a drop in illegal downloads, but I have NOT heard of a significant increase in the pay sites. In other words, a bunch of us (myself included) are just deciding that we don't need to go get that song or CD. They lose out just like before. And the lawsuits? That just increases animosity towards them, which in the long run will only hurt their sales. I think it is hilarious that Universal dropped their CD prices. They can drop all of their CDs in the toilet and flush for all that I care.

In other words, technology has changed their market. Instead of adapting to the changes in the market, they are trying to control it and keep the status quo. Complete morons.

As all of you I think that this won't help a thing against the piracy that the music industry so much hates.. Why they're not searching for a better method (such as lowering the prices of CD's and games) is a mystery to me!

[ 09-10-2003, 02:27 AM: Message edited by: Link ]

actually by the EFF's count it's 57million (more then the number of people who voted for Pres Bush)

also if you want more specific info on what to do if you are targetted (or find out if you are) as well as some good background legal info written in plain english go to www.eff.org

Methinks you just contradicted yourself. You disinctly said that hackers wouldnt work for the RIAA, but then point out the RIAA doing all the things hackers do. You dont have to be independant to be a hacker.

(N.B. this was accidentaly originaly posted as my brother, Bruce The Aussie, as im on his machine. he has instructed me to tell you he is 'Kick ass and wonderful' :rolleyes: )

Hear hear! What! Did I just agree with Vasez? :eek: :D

Anyway what I heard didn't sound like an amnesty at all. Rather a threat. "If you delete all the files you have downloaded we won't do anything. If you don't we will sue your pants off!". Hmm sounds like what they're doing right now. ;)

Oh and I used Kazaa yesterday to download the latest patch for Warlords Battlecry. What an excellent program I must say. I was downloading from Ubisoft at about 3kB/s but got 560kB/s from Kazaa. [img]smile.gif[/img] I could see all files the guy was sharing, the one I downloaded from, by right clicking his username. Isn't that how they get your files? I mean I doubt they are actually hacking into your computer since it is illegal. I know they want to be able to do it (legalising entry into computers that is) but I doubt they're doing it. They'd be sued for billions right away. Of course developing viruses are not that good an idea either... ;)

yup that is probably how they get your files. thing is, how do they get your IP? the only way they can find people is to get their ip, trace it, and then get the details from their isp (normally forcefully). there is more to their methods than simply right clicking names. after all, then everyone who uses kazaa would have been sued by now!

The netstat command is a wonderful thing. Start a download and you can see where its coming from.