I was just wondering what kind of processor and stuff do you need to run
the good games (Neverwinter Nights).

-Wolf on fire

<font color="orange">Most games have a basic requirement of about 700 MHz, and a GeForce 2 MX or equivalent graphics card. However, if you want the most out of the experience, I would advise double that. A 1.5 GHz to a 2.0 GHz CPU won't be too much, and will be able to run practically anything. For graphics card, a GeForce 4200 Ti is an absolute steal. Other than that...Windows? [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>

What about Ati Radeon 9800? [img]graemlins/showoff.gif[/img]


Oh and welcome! [img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img]

<font color="orange">Well, what about it? It'll be half the price in a year, and won't run anything noticeably better than a GeForce 4 Ti, unless you individually check pixels. [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>

Well you`re correct,but still if you are egomaniac you can say:"I have AR 9800 and you don`t. HAHA"... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

<font color="orange">Touche, my friend! [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>

Huh? I don`t understand what are you trying to say. I know it means"hit or touch" but what are you trying to tell me?

"On guard" [img]tongue.gif[/img]

<font color="orange">Basically, what touche means in an informal sense is "you got me." It's essentially conceding that you made a good point, usually one that the speaker wouldn't have thought of himself. It's made in good humour. Hope that makes sense! [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

Thanks! [img]smile.gif[/img]

And to add a bit to that:
It's actually French "touch&egrave;" and means "touched" (literally) or rather "hit" as it comes from fencing and the fact that you fence until the first hit (in one of the before specified regions, e.g. the torso) occurs.
So it basically means: "You win this round" or (more casually) "got me this time"

[ 09-07-2003, 05:53 AM: Message edited by: Faceman ]

Hehe! I knew that it means "hit"... :D

Since NWN in particular was mentioned, it is worth mentioning that there are major compatability issues with certain radeon cards (9500 and 9600 come to mind) and the smaller issues with all of them. If NWN is going to be a major part of your gaming, geforce is the only way to go.

Intel 4 cpu's are rather pricy still, but you can get a good amd athlon XP 2400 for a lower price, just be sure to get yourself a fitting motherboard and good RAM (also considerable cheaper then intel based components. As for videocards: unless you have money to blow, buy the first geforce 4 card that was brought out. NEVER buy the latest card, as it is extremely expensive and over-powered: you do not need that kind of power to run any game presently released. Games that will be brought out in a month or so might need all that power and by then the prices will have probably dropped.

And if you think it is cool to say that "I have a Radeon 1,234,752 and you DONT!!!!", then by all means, be my guest and blow your budget to smithereens....

<font color=white> I just bougth this system (like 3 weeks ago)

- Athlon XP PR2500+ DDR 333Mhz 512KB
- EpoX RDA3+ (LAN, USB 2.0, Sound 6.1)
- 2x 512MB 184Pin DDR333 Brand
- 2x Maxtor 120 GB 7200 RPM Liquid Bearring 8MB Cach
- Transcend ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 128 mb (though this component is under repair, cooling block was corrupted)
- Samsung SW-252BEAB - 52x24x52 Burner - Black
- Samsung SD-616 - 16x52 DvD - Black
- MicroTech 2029 Case - Sidepanel - Black

This was a total of 752 Euro Ex. btw :D

It ran like hell until my graphics card turned over, ill get a new card in about a week or so :( </font>

That would be about €883 inc. taxes. Nice system Annatar! Can I use some of your HDD space? :D

<font color=cadetblue>Daaaamn! That's some mighty fine HD space.</font>

Sold my old P3 PC. (Sold just the case, not monitor or printer)
I got a great deal from one computer shop though...around $1000 I can go for AMD XP 1800+ CPU with all-in-one motherboard (Onboard Graphics and Sound), 512MB DDR RAM, CD-RW and DVD-ROM (Separate), 40GB Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM (2MB FSB), Win XP Pro with MS Office XP Pro (CD included), ATX case with 350W Power Supply, with typical FDD. Nothing to complain really...just that I have no job right now and job search may take a while...

<font color=white> Don't wanna burst your bubble or something but, that deal is just a rip-off, for that money you can get my system (look at the specs.) easy.

Compare prices and keep your eyes open for good deals (not like this one) ... ;) </font>

<font color=cadetblue>Daaaamn! That's some mighty fine HD space.</font> </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=white> I'm even planning on getting a controller card and place another 2x 250 gig harddrives beside it ... I love enough working space you know ;) :D </font>

Hmm, you nvidea guys are true to the core. ATI has fixed there compatability issues ions ago. Top game machines run ATI, but you guys are still crawling after nvidea, for what? Another tumbling start like the new FX series? With money no problem buy whatever floats your boat. But a well price reduced ATI 9700 will spank 'most' new nvidea cards, and all of the GeForce series.

Felix

<font color=white> Don't wanna burst your bubble or something but, that deal is just a rip-off, for that money you can get my system (look at the specs.) easy.

Compare prices and keep your eyes open for good deals (not like this one) ... ;) </font> </font>[/QUOTE]I live in NZ, so the money I was talking about was NZ dollar. Sorry I didn't point that out in the first place...

<font color=cadetblue>Daaaamn! That's some mighty fine HD space.</font> </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=white> I'm even planning on getting a controller card and place another 2x 250 gig harddrives beside it ... I love enough working space you know ;) :D </font> </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=cadetblue>Dude...you are clearly insane...</font>

Hm...I need advice on graphics cards too...anyone know where I can get a Radeon 9700 pro or GeForce 4 4200 Ti for a decent price (this may be stretching a little but UK £ preferably, as I don't wanna pay import tax...)

For performance, go for ATI. But check the NWN tech support forum if you want to see just how well those compatability issues have been resolved.

FYI: I'm running an ATI 9700 Pro, and have no problems with NWN. I know that the 9700 was not one of the cards listed as potential problem-causers, but I thought I'd add that this particular card works quite well.

I am a GeForce person.

ATI beats GeForce look at here

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/..._guide-12.html

(Read throught the next few pages there.)

Sorry the specs say they don't. Why confuse hard nubers?

So it must be that ATI beats GeForce price wise. So go to here www.pricewatch.com

(Click on Video cards.)

Humm... A Radeon 9700 Pro for $265 or a GeForce FX 5900 for $238. Did not the GeForce FX 5900 beat the 9700 Pro in the test above? I am confused. How is more expensive and slower better?

The bottom line is if you really like ATI go with the most expensive ATI you can buy and not kill your bank account. If you really like GeForce go with the most expensive GeForce you can and not kill your bank account. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Granamere

I think it is getting warm in here. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 09-09-2003, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Granamere ]

Even better deals offered at an unexpected place. [img]smile.gif[/img]

For NZ$1247 I can buy a case with Athlon XP 2500 Barton system that has nForce2 Chipset (Yeah, I know it aint no Ti 4200 or SB Audigy but it's handful for around 3-6 months, you know! :D ), 256MB DDR (PC2700), 80GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD combo, 300W PSU (This, along with RAM, are liable for replacement in a not-so-far away future...I want 512MB to begin with and I have a feeling as soon as I get a video & Sound card I will replace it with 400W+ PSU then give the PSU to my landlord who has P3 533mHz, he'll appreciate it), Windows XP home edition OEM with others like Norton Antivirus 2003 OEM (3 month update), openoffice 1.0...

Oh, and mobo does have AGP 8X...
Problem is, I haven't got a job/money yet...

UM the nForce2 is not a video card. It has nothing to do with video. Look here for more info.

http://www.nvidia.com/page/mobo.html

The nForce, nForce2 and nForce3 are motherboard chipsets. Like the Intel 845 or SIS 746. That is why there is an 8X AGP slot on the motherboard. Most motherboards that have built on video cards do not have a AGP slot.

Granamere

[ 09-10-2003, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Granamere ]

<font color=cadetblue>Daaaamn! That's some mighty fine HD space.</font> </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=white> I'm even planning on getting a controller card and place another 2x 250 gig harddrives beside it ... I love enough working space you know ;) :D </font> </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=cadetblue>Dude...you are clearly insane...</font> </font>[/QUOTE]You can never have too much disk space [img]smile.gif[/img] (.5T myself)

Geez, be for real dude. If your gonna post links at least post one with recent instead of ancient history in them.

This link is current, and will lead to to more current stuff.

http://maximumpc.com/ranking/rankings2.html

Sadly, I don't see a single nvidea card in any of the categories.

It's getting mighty quiet around here!

Here is the latest from tom's, current mind you.

http://www.tomshardware.com/business...911/index.html

Ouch, that really says a lot.

Shh, did you hear that? That was the sound of nvidea R&D sneaking out the back door.

Felix

[ 09-12-2003, 01:54 AM: Message edited by: Felix The Assassin ]

that deal does sound pretty good considering the software included is worth quite a bit, but an all in one motherboard will run games very poorly (unless it is an nforce 2, but for that price i doubt that very much)

but i just bought myself some bits, $200 for a xp 1800+, a board with raid, and 256 mb of ram. Going to switch over tomorrow [img]smile.gif[/img]

OK on http://maximumpc.com/ranking/rankings2.html how do you see what the test results were? Also do you not think it is kind of funny Ati is the leader on this site and there are Ati ads all over it? Can you say pay off boys and girls?

OK on new info. Until a new card is released do you test the same cards over and over? Tomshardware did do a review of the new Nvidia driver and if anything it looked like it slowed things down. Doing a retest on everything everytime someone released a new driver would be a pain to say the least. Also I am not sure what it would buy you. Everybody's hardware is a litle different so what one person sees as a slow down on one system the other might see an increase.

Half-life 2 it does look like Ati is the card of choice for this game. If you look at what I linked to on Tomshardware you will notice that not every game the GeForce card was the best at. Lets face it some games just run better with a specific type of card. No big deal unless that is the game you are really looking forward to playing then time to buy a new video card. [img]smile.gif[/img] Also on the Half-life 2 subject if you noticed in the article Valve refused to test using the new Nvidia driver that was designed to optimize preformance in Half-life 2. This is typical marketing stuff. Did you notice Valve is bundeling the game with Ati cards. I bet they are getting a really good deal out of this and of course wanted Nvidia to look bad. If Nvidia was trying to get the same deal I bet they would do the same thing. When Half-life 2 releases and the new drivers are out I would like to see how everything turns out until then we will not know. (My money will still be on Ati doing better in Half-life 2.I hope so otherwise there is going to be some upset Ati Half-life 2 people.)

Now from you original post. Show me where you see that the Ati 9700 is better than the GeForce FX series?

Granamere

Pricewise, blah blah glaba.
Do this: Buy ATI Radeon 9500 Pro(If you're lucky, you can still find one for 200$), unlock it, open the closed four pipelines, enable interconnection, and you got yourself a 102% 9700Pro!
Pricewise?

Oh, all GeForce FX cards except 5800 and 5900 are a risky buy(What do you mean "Your fan is busted and the card cooked over"!?)!

From what I remember the 9500 Pro that you can unlock is a very specific version of the card. You would have to be very very very luck to find one of those now. If you are a serious computer hardware person that gets into over clocking and all this is not a bad idea. For most of the people out there this is not a good idea.

Sorry no problems with my ASUS GeForce FX 5600 card. Although I have though about getting a water cooler for my system.

Granamere

Guess somebody does not realize that Maximum PC used a FX series card in their dream machine this year. The reason being it had greater O/C capability than did the ATI. So pay off, I guess. Nvidia supplied a more "dark sided" card.

Where does the 9700 outperform? hmm. Do you really want me to talk about the first debut of the FX series. It takes up two slots, has a fan big enough to slave start a jumbo 767, and actually ran slower than the GF4 series it was supposed to replace. That's about all any of us can remember either.

You know, I do like it when nvidia takes the lead. That just means ATI has to work harder. But, with both we all end up with better products. Just think, without ATI you would still be running a TNT series card. Without nvidia I could still be running a Rage 128 series card. Hmm, yeap, nvidia has it good points.

Felix

PS; last time I was at Tom's there was a nvidia add with a maximum pc logo with it. Talk about pay outs!

Competition is a wonderfull thing. Too bad Intel isn't bothering with it.

<font color=cadetblue>Daaaamn! That's some mighty fine HD space.</font> </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=white> I'm even planning on getting a controller card and place another 2x 250 gig harddrives beside it ... I love enough working space you know ;) :D </font> </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=cadetblue>Dude...you are clearly insane...</font> </font>[/QUOTE]You can never have too much disk space [img]smile.gif[/img] (.5T myself) </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=white> You can push the borders to far ... ;)

p.s. your on a server right? [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>