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Father Bronze 07-20-2003 09:55 AM

As part of one of my summer graduate courses, I need to research an important social issue. For my project, I decided to research video games, but I need some help.

I need some volunteers to take a survey/inventory that measures how you use your imagination. The survey will take about 15 minutes and you can do the whole thing on-line.

If you are interested, you can find the Short Imaginal Processes Inventory at
<a href="http://www.kism.net/survey/inventory.htm" target="_blank">http://www.kism.net/survey/inventory.htm </a>

If you give me your e-mail address, I can send you your results.

Thanks in advance for your help.

[edited to correct spelling]

[ 07-22-2003, 12:15 AM: Message edited by: Father Bronze ]

johnny 07-20-2003 10:09 AM

Took the test. here's my addy.

j-krete@zonnet.nl

Stormymystic 07-20-2003 10:21 AM

what does that have to do with video games?

Davros 07-20-2003 10:46 AM

Done - make of it what you will [img]smile.gif[/img]

Edit : No need to send me any results. In my daydreams I am a well adjusted positive individual with no guilt or persecution complexes. I have no interest in knowing if this is wrong :D

[ 07-20-2003, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: Davros ]

J.J. 07-20-2003 11:02 AM

I am guessing what the survey is for, will save my guess til you email results so as not to cont. survey field, and ,...uh....what was I doing?

sorry, off to shave the cat! right-o! everybody; left, right, left, right..repeat as necessary... :D

Aelia Jusa 07-20-2003 04:39 PM

I don't care about my results. But I would be interested in knowing about the study, its rationale and what you expect to find. And what the end results are! Did you make up this questionnaire yourself FB?

Man! I wish I could get my participants online like this! ;)

Aelia Jusa 07-20-2003 04:56 PM

LOL I'm finally finished the survey - it took me about twice as long as recommended because I kept getting distracted and flitting back and forth between web pages... [img]graemlins/uhoh1.gif[/img] I think it's obvious what I put for the distractability items :D

FelixJaeger 07-20-2003 05:05 PM

Done and done, I really am baffled at what so many different worded questions coming to the same conclusion is supposed to mean...

Melusine 07-20-2003 05:08 PM

Done. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Aelia Jusa 07-20-2003 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FelixJaeger:
Done and done, I really am baffled at what so many different worded questions coming to the same conclusion is supposed to mean...
The point of those is to make sure people aren't just choosing at random. Research based on questionnaire-type evidence is fraught with many problems, which have to be controlled for. Some people want to deliberately ruin research, even if they are voluntary participants, so just pick answers at random which are meaningless and destroy real patterns in the data. If you have a number of questions asking the same thing and negatively worded (ie one time you say 'are you easily distractable', another time 'do you find it easy to focus on one task' - in each case a high answer means a different thing - someone answering all 4s would be picked up) you can check later that people have answered in a consistent fashion, and throw out data that has been confounded like this.

That doesn't help people lying for other reasons of course, for example it may be socially desirable to say that you're not distractable at all so regardless of what how distractable you really are, you consistently say you're not on all questions tapping that, but there are other methods to control for that.

Chewbacca 07-20-2003 06:05 PM

Hope I was helpful. I look forward to knowing more about this research, so I left my email.

Attalus 07-20-2003 06:16 PM

Done. I suspect most RPG'ers that can spend hours at a time on games will not be easily distracted. Baldur's Gate is not for people with ADHD.

Larry_OHF 07-20-2003 06:59 PM

<font color=skyblue>You got me.</font>

Thoran 07-20-2003 07:12 PM

done... I'd like to see your compiled statistical data too once you're done if that's available... ESPECIALLY if you're getting data from a non-gaming control group (which I imagine you must be... otherwise these results would be of little value).

Stormymystic 07-20-2003 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Attalus:
Done. I suspect most RPG'ers that can spend hours at a time on games will not be easily distracted. Baldur's Gate is not for people with ADHD.
perhaps, that is why I ind it hard to complete bg? because it is sooo long, and other things like my books, and the tv, and my poetry keep me distracted

Ladyzekke 07-20-2003 07:47 PM

Done the test as well, although at times I felt I was contradicting myself in some ways, depends on how you read/interpret the questions.

wpickrell2@comcast.net

[img]smile.gif[/img]

mistral4543 07-20-2003 07:49 PM

Heh, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to do surveys (love them!) :D

I'm also looking forward to seeing the results [img]smile.gif[/img]

Father Bronze 07-20-2003 10:12 PM

Thank you all for all of the support.

My class requires me to study some important social issue.

I was looking up different surveys I could use and I found this one about imagination. I e-mailed the Yale Professor who holds the copyrights to the survey and he gave me permission to use the study in any way that would help my research.

Quote:

done... I'd like to see your compiled statistical data too once you're done if that's available... ESPECIALLY if you're getting data from a non-gaming control group (which I imagine you must be... otherwise these results would be of little value).
Good point Thoran.

My wife who is pursuing a Master's Degree in Statistics made the same point. I'm hoping that the test has already been normed against a control group, but otherwise I'll be looking for non-gamers to take the survey too.

Know any non-gamers who'd be interested in taking the survey?

Father Bronze 07-20-2003 10:16 PM

Just a note:

You don't need to leave your e-mail in this post if you don't want to.
If you accurately filled in the e-mail box on the survey form, I have your e-mail address on your results.

Thanks again,

TheCrimsomBlade 07-20-2003 10:41 PM

Who ever developed this survey put one hell of alot of thought into it and I can't wait to se the results they should be very interesting!

Sir Taliesin 07-21-2003 12:15 AM

<font color=orange>If you need some non-gamers for a control group, let me know. I'm sure I could get some for you. Just e-mail me.

Oh... I took the test too.

Later!!!
</font>

Father Bronze 07-21-2003 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Taliesin:
<font color=orange>If you need some non-gamers for a control group, let me know. I'm sure I could get some for you. Just e-mail me.

Oh... I took the test too.

Later!!!
</font>

Thanks for the offer, but I managed to find the "Normalized T-Scores" in the documentation that comes with the survey. I don't exactly know what "Normalized T-Scores" are, but my wife said that they were good enough to provide control group data. I'm so lucky to have a Statistician in the house. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Black Knight 07-21-2003 08:58 AM

Done - hope this helps ya..

BK

Thoran 07-21-2003 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Father Bronze:
Thank you all for all of the support.

My class requires me to study some important social issue.

I was looking up different surveys I could use and I found this one about imagination. I e-mailed the Yale Professor who holds the copyrights to the survey and he gave me permission to use the study in any way that would help my research.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> done... I'd like to see your compiled statistical data too once you're done if that's available... ESPECIALLY if you're getting data from a non-gaming control group (which I imagine you must be... otherwise these results would be of little value).

Good point Thoran.

My wife who is pursuing a Master's Degree in Statistics made the same point. I'm hoping that the test has already been normed against a control group, but otherwise I'll be looking for non-gamers to take the survey too.

Know any non-gamers who'd be interested in taking the survey?
</font>[/QUOTE]Well I'm sure there's volumes on how to get a decent control for statistical studies... but in this case I'd suggest mailing surveys to random households in a region covering roughly the same area as the respondents. If you solicit online for a control, you'll be skewing your control group based on the fact that they're online... to obtain a truly population representational sample you need to go snail mail. Even then you'll have to discuss in your results the several problems inherent in gathering data by these methods and any techniques employed to mitigate those issues.

MS in Statistics... YUK! [img]smile.gif[/img] , I hated those classes more than spinach. I'd rather take Fluid Dynamics, Quantum Physics, and EM Fields and Waves all in the same semester than take one more statistics class. I'm working on my MS in Engineering Management, so thankfully statistics is an avoidable area of study. :D

Cloudbringer 07-21-2003 10:36 AM

Just took it for you! Hope it helps! I'd love to see the final results for the whole research project as well. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Good luck!

Bardan the Slayer 07-21-2003 03:12 PM

Ah, i remember about a year or two ago when i was soliciting people to help me with my postgraduate research. In the cintinued spirit of i-would-have-been-screwed-if-nobody-had-helped-me-so-i-will-help-you-to-repay-my-karmic-debt, i have taken the test ;)

I would appreciate knowing my results, and the general results too, of course. Mainly just to see how consistent the answers I gave actually turned out to be [img]smile.gif[/img]

Lord of Alcohol 07-21-2003 04:51 PM

Test taken. I put my e-mail in the survey. Good to see you around Father Bronze

Aelia Jusa 07-21-2003 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thoran:

Well I'm sure there's volumes on how to get a decent control for statistical studies... but in this case I'd suggest mailing surveys to random households in a region covering roughly the same area as the respondents. If you solicit online for a control, you'll be skewing your control group based on the fact that they're online... to obtain a truly population representational sample you need to go snail mail. Even then you'll have to discuss in your results the several problems inherent in gathering data by these methods and any techniques employed to mitigate those issues.


Consider though that his experimental group are online - their results may be different to gamers who are not online. It might be more appropriate to have a comparison group that is online - either both are online, or neither. You have to make sure in a study like this that your control group and experimental group are equal in every way except the manipulation, in this case whether they're gamers or not. Otherwise your results are open to confounding from other variables - that is, you can't draw any conclusions because effects might be due to other variables not the one you have manipulated. There may be something about being online that affects your daydreaming that not being online does not. A good idea if you had the time would be to get a group of gamers offline and a group of non-gamers offline (or use the control data) and compare to see if there are substantial differences between your online and offline samples. If there are, then your results for the online sample aren't generalisable to the population.

I agree though that you'll need to consider what getting data online like you have means for your results. While it's unlikely that people would lie about their age and so on simply because they're online, it is a fundamentally different way of finding participants than, for instance, stopping people in shopping centres where you can see them. It's also important to whether your sample is representative of the population. If they are random and aren't systematically different from the population, then results from them are generalisable. If being online means they will be systematically different from non-online people, then you can only say your results are valid for people who are online.

Your normalised t-scores would simply the scores of a random sample from the population that the test was normed on, that is, tested on to see what the 'average' responses were and what the normal population of scores is. In the population, there will be people who score high and score low, with most people scoring around the average. The idea of your study then, is to see whether the mean for gamers is significantly higher or lower than the mean for the population.

*\Conan/* 07-21-2003 07:23 PM

I spared you the vote FB ;) Good to see you and you shouldn't worry so much about other people's views... :rolleyes:

/)eathKiller 07-21-2003 08:28 PM

I filled it out, but I don't see what playing video games has to do wiht my daydreaming...

*starts day dreaming about flying over a city and blowing up all those who challange him with his super technological powers*

Father Bronze 07-22-2003 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aelia Jusa:
. . . Otherwise your results are open to confounding from other variables - that is, you can't draw any conclusions because effects might be due to other variables not the one you have manipulated. There may be something about being online that affects your daydreaming that not being online does not. . .
Very good observations. Luckily, this project is just one aspect of my summer course in The Social Foundations of Education. It's not for my thesis. Maybe some day I will make a more thorough examination of the variables and create a publishable paper. For now, I'm just trying to get an "A" in my class.

jason0273 07-22-2003 05:58 PM

Done! That was an interesting little survey

Thoran 07-23-2003 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Father Bronze:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Aelia Jusa:
. . . Otherwise your results are open to confounding from other variables - that is, you can't draw any conclusions because effects might be due to other variables not the one you have manipulated. There may be something about being online that affects your daydreaming that not being online does not. . .

Very good observations. Luckily, this project is just one aspect of my summer course in The Social Foundations of Education. It's not for my thesis. Maybe some day I will make a more thorough examination of the variables and create a publishable paper. For now, I'm just trying to get an "A" in my class. </font>[/QUOTE]Yes that is a good point, it's important to know what you're trying to discover... do you want to know how computer gamers stack up against the average public (use a broad control), do you want to know how computer gamers stack up against the online computing public (use an online control). IMO these would both be interesting comparisons, although a general public control would be more interesting to me, since there's on average going to be more differentiation there.

Dragonshadow 07-23-2003 01:59 PM

Okay. Think that's it. Althogh I had this daydream thta I didn't... :D

Ziroc 07-23-2003 02:13 PM

I filled it out FB! I'll send you some more info in the next few days!! I've just been busy the last week working and stuff..

MILAMBER 07-23-2003 04:54 PM

Done. Good luck.

[ 07-23-2003, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: MILAMBER ]


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