As usual im wondering now when he has changed himself so much what ya think of him? i dont have any respect for a man who dosent want to be black and turns himself to a white woman? and his music isnt at all good anymore

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He's weird [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

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He's a delusional child molester who can't decide if he wants to be Elizabeth Taylor or Diana Ross. And I have never liked his music.

I liked and still like his old numbers and he sure knew how to dance 80ies style.
He may be wierd as a person and may have lost his touch as a musician but that won't keep me from listening to "Bad" or "Smooth Criminal".

I personally cannot understand why people obsess themselves with musicians/actors/athletes and therefore find everything they do great. Neither can I understand people who disapprove of fine work only because the craftsman was a lunatic/evil person/...
If you know that for example a musician has been a convict/drug dealer/child molester/nazi/communist/murderer/... you can still listen to his music as long as you are aware of his situation and don't let yourself be influenced by it.

Well, i gotta say, hes one hell of an ugly son o' a bitch [img]smile.gif[/img]

But he got the moooves maaaan [img]smile.gif[/img]

I think he might be a bit retarded too (in a serious way, not calling him a retard joking about).

He sleeps in an air bubble for christ sake [img]tongue.gif[/img] Cause he is scared of bacteria getting to him...

Yeah ur right he may be abit retared....
and im listening to Smooth Criminal right now by the way [img]smile.gif[/img]
and also i dont care whatever they done as long as they are not nazis

I'll agree with MagiK here.

<font color=deepskyblue>I think he is a living testament to the fact that {literally} all the success in the WORLD cannot bring you happiness by itself.

He seems to be plagued with insecurities. It is almost beyond belief that someone with the looks, moves, money, power, and prestige he had in the 80's could still be so unhappy with himself as a person...but that certainly seems to be the case.</font>

He may be weird, but he can make better music than any of you can. The way you distuingish people is just.. absolutely amazing.. to put it lightly. I mean; you decide on one man's appearance to form an opinion about someone, if you can even call it an opinion that way.

If you encounter someone on the street, who has a physical handicap, what is the first that you think? Haha, he is ugly, and he is stupid? Or: how did that
happen, and I feel very sorry that it happened to him?

I'm not just talking about Michael Jackson, because I agree that he may be weird, that he may do weird things (like sleeping in that tank of his) but why should we judge someone who we don't even know that well?
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I'll agree with MagiK here. </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=orange>Since Majik stole my response [img]tongue.gif[/img] , I'll agree with Kaltia. </font>

I think everyone should get the hell off his back. So he's a little eccentric - so what? It's understandable that he's not quite all there in the head, as he's been in the spotlight since he was a very young child and was treated badly by his parents. That's bound to affect him as he grows up. And to those who says he is a child molester - there is NO proof and hardly anything to suggest it. So he makes friends with children and acts like he's one of them. It's just because he wants to be one, it's one of his eccentricities. If he did molest them, would he freely admit to sleeping in the same room, even the same bed as them? No, because he knows it would incriminate him, but he's got nothing to hide.

And no, he doesn't make himself white because he doesn't want to be black. It's a skin condition that has been proven to exist, and he is proven to suffer from it. He doesn't bleach his skin on purpose, it just happens naturally. And it's ridiculous to say he doesn't want to be black, when he hates racism or intolerance of any kind.

Plus, he's a damn good musician and a superb dancer.

I agree with Sir Taliesin agreeing with Kaltia agreeing with Magik

there are alot of people here just agreeing with the testemant 'he is weird'

i agree with Firim Silraven, is is slightly eccentric, but generaly a great guy. all the pearants who know him trust their kids with him. is there a higer complement? :eek: :D

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there are alot of people here just agreeing with the testemant 'he is weird'

i agree with Firim Silraven, is is slightly eccentric, but generaly a great guy. all the pearants who know him trust their kids with him. is there a higer complement? :eek: :D </font>[/QUOTE]There are a LOT of parents out there that don't put their child's safety first, so I don't place stock in that statement.
As for no proof: The fact that he said on camera that there is nothing more beautiful then sharing your bed with a child proves to me that he's got problems.

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The difference is that person I meet on the streets with a physical handicap did not choose to do that to themselves. Jackson chose to disfigure himself.

Lets face it if the guy wasn’t rich and famous he would have been forced by the state into mental health treatment.

And truthfully I don’t think he’s that talented but that is just my opinion.

Point taken, IronDragon, but we don't know what drove Michael Jackson towards his choice to 'turn into a white woman' as Cristian so blatantly put it. IMHO Michael Jackson is a musical genius, who suffers from serious mental trauma, causing him to do some strange things. Just because he's famous, all of you guys take it heavy; if someone totally unknown to the world would do it, and you would come to know of it, there wouldn't be such a fuss about, I bet.

I agree with u Link [img]smile.gif[/img] totally right

<font color=deepskyblue>Tito, Jermaine, Janet, Latoya, and the rest of the Jackson clan grew up in the same environment, but have not reacted the way Michael has. Perhaps because the spotlight WAS always primarily on him. Janet is the only one that established any type of career outside of Brother Michael's shadow.</font>

<font color=deepskyblue>Here is a link to the actual court documents that do - indeed - "suggest" Michael Jackson was a child molestor.
Michael Jackson Court Documents

<font color=deepskyblue>Yes, <font color=white>Firim</font>, he would admit to it because - in his mind - he sees nothing wrong with what he has done. But just because M.J. believes it to be "innocent" doesn't necessarily mean the law agrees.</font>

<font color=deepskyblue>It is also proven that the skin condition he suffers from does not bleach the skin evenly as Michael has done. It occurs on different areas of the body and creates an unattractive "splotchy" complexion. Michael tried to avoid this by bleaching his entire body. It worked, but whether the "treatment" looks any better than the disease is questionable.</font>

<font color=deepskyblue>No argument about that. Don't care much for his current stuff, but <font color=white>Thriller</font> will always be in a class by itself.</font>

Michael Jackson is a very hansom man, and a musical genius. Also, the moonwalk is the coolest dance ever.

Uh oh... here come the doctors again, time for my medicine. :D

ROFL!

I though you were serious there Johnny old boy! :D

I'm in the category which thins he's wierd, oh to whoever said eccentric...they don't call him "Wacko Jacko" for nothin' :D

"The kid is not my son" so all I do is "Beat it" be them "Black or white" I think "They dont really care about us", I think the publicity is "HIStory" It's not that "bad" now that I live on planet "Earthsong"...

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If ever there was a case of too much money and too much time on your hands it's him. He's nuts.

I feel kind of sorry for the guy. He's like a kid that never grew up, and was always surounded by people who just told him what he wanted to hear. He was once one of the richest musicians on the block, and now he is more then 250 million dollars in depth (or so I have been told).

<font color=deepskyblue>According to a recent article I read on MSN, he is still worth approximately $300 million dollars...or so his accountants claim. That's not to shabby..but it IS a significant when you realize that - until the 1990's - he was worth well over $1 Billion!</font>

<font color=deepskyblue>It is also proven that the skin condition he suffers from does not bleach the skin evenly as Michael has done. It occurs on different areas of the body and creates an unattractive "splotchy" complexion. Michael tried to avoid this by bleaching his entire body. It worked, but whether the "treatment" looks any better than the disease is questionable.</font>

He said they tried to cover it up first with make-up, but it didn't work too well and it took a lot of time, so no wonder he decided to do that...

PS: The quotes look weird, sorry. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 06-20-2003, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: Spelca ]

He's crazier then Mel Lastman!

Wacko Jackson -- The nickname says it all. This guy is pure nuts, 100% Cholesterol free.

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<font color=deepskyblue>Tito, Jermaine, Janet, Latoya, and the rest of the Jackson clan grew up in the same environment, but have not reacted the way Michael has. Perhaps because the spotlight WAS always primarily on him. Janet is the only one that established any type of career outside of Brother Michael's shadow.</font>
</font>[/QUOTE]AFAIK Latoya has had many problems with drugs and substance abuse problems. We also don't know exactly what problems the others have had, only that they are not as obvious and public as Michael's problems have been. Something interesting I noticed in a magazine picture a while ago - Latoya's nose is exactly the same shape as Michael's is NOW :eek:

He's a kid. All he wants to be is a kid, to be like Peter Pan.
I would imagine that growing up the way he did, certainly had a negative impact on his life. He was never allowed to do things that regular kids do, never allowed to play, his father was very abusive and he was under a lot of pressure at too young of an age.

The fact that he's acting like a child now indicates he never had the opportunity when the rest of us did. Growing up, he had very bad acne which his father used to tease and ridicule him about. Can you imagine? And we wonder why he wants to change his appearance

Now, Jackson's got enough money do do as he pleases, and he's doing so but all that fame and fortune has brought the spotlight. I'm sure that many people are as troubled as Michael Jackson and with good reason, but they don't have billions of dollars, and they're not a public figure.

He's 80's music was brilliant, the moonwalk was a phenom so you can'd deny his success or his popularity. Everyone has listend to a Jackson song at one point or another, and he's got the money to prove it.

The only reason the people call him weird is because their pissed that he's got more money and success than most could ever dream of, nevermind possess.

<font color=deepskyblue>I agreed with you up till the last two paragraphs <font color=orange>Animal</font>. Michael's music in the 80's was brilliant...but contrary to popular belief, he DID NOT invent the "MoonWalk" :eek: Don't believe me? Rent the movie <font color=white>Flashdance</font>. The "MoonWalk" was part of the Breakdance craze that started 1-2 years before Michael moonwalked across the stage at the American Music Awards.

And I am by no means "pissed" because he has more money and success than I will ever have. He also has more natural talent in his gloved hand than I have in my whole body and I have no problem with that. I don't envy his money or success because he definitely earned it through his own natural talents.

So if I call him "weird" now..it isn't because I'm jealous...it's because he is weird by the standards of our society.

I mentioned this in the last Great M.J. Discussion, but I personally consider Michael Jackson one of the greatest tragedies of my lifetime. He had so much potential in the mid-80's that there was literally nothing that was beyond his grasp or ability...but the emotional pain and trauma of his early childhood have finally caught up to him...and for me....it is a very sad thing to see. I admired him greatly during his "hey day". Now I feel a sadness for the greatness that was lost.</font>

<font color=deepskyblue>I agreed with you up till the last two paragraphs <font color=orange>Animal</font>. Michael's music in the 80's was brilliant...but contrary to popular belief, he DID NOT invent the "MoonWalk" :eek: Don't believe me? Rent the movie <font color=white>Flashdance</font>. The "MoonWalk" was part of the Breakdance craze that started 1-2 years before Michael moonwalked across the stage at the American Music Awards.

And I am by no means "pissed" because he has more money and success than I will ever have. He also has more natural talent in his gloved hand than I have in my whole body and I have no problem with that. I don't envy his money or success because he definitely earned it through his own natural talents.

So if I call him "weird" now..it isn't because I'm jealous...it's because he is weird by the standards of our society.

I mentioned this in the last Great M.J. Discussion, but I personally consider Michael Jackson one of the greatest tragedies of my lifetime. He had so much potential in the mid-80's that there was literally nothing that was beyond his grasp or ability...but the emotional pain and trauma of his early childhood have finally caught up to him...and for me....it is a very sad thing to see. I admired him greatly during his "hey day". Now I feel a sadness for the greatness that was lost.</font> </font>[/QUOTE]You are correct about MJ not inventing the moonwalk. I never said he did. What I did say was, the moonwalk was a phenom. A phenom that HE created. If not for Michael Jackson, would anybody know about the moonwalk? I think not.

As for the money...well I'm sure your faith can carry you past that, but money makes people jealous. People are ridiculed for being wealthy because they represent a minority. Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Jimmy Patterson...they all have money and they're all the brunt of jokes and ridicule because of their success.

Why do you feel sorry for MJ? Did he lose the greatness? No, he doesn't want it anymore. He doesn't want the spotlight, glamour, fame, tabloids, or BS in general and who can blame him? He wants to live his life the way HE wants to. That's no reason to feel bad.

IMO anyone who can hang a baby over a ledge like he did is not fit to ne a parent, or even be allowed to be around children, what if he had dropped the baby?!? and since everyone seems to be talking about his music, did anyone ever wonder why when he grew up, that he was afraid of his family??? maybe(not saying this is the truth) but the way e acts points to an abused child syndrome, and I mean molested as well as phisically abused, 95% of all child molesters were molested as children themselves

He covered that one already, and yes he made a mistake. I'm sure you've made a mistake or two, right?

Like I said, most people are just pissed because he's got is so good and everyone else doesn't.

He covered that one already, and yes he made a mistake. I'm sure you've made a mistake or two, right?

Like I said, most people are just pissed because he's got is so good and everyone else doesn't. </font>[/QUOTE]are you just trying to hurt my feelings or upset me tonight? tings that envolve children should always be watched closle, I have been watched alot because of some mistakes I made, and if anyone who is not rich had done that, they would have lost their kids quickly, as for why I do not like him has nothing to do with anything other than the fact he molest children

He covered that one already, and yes he made a mistake. I'm sure you've made a mistake or two, right?

Like I said, most people are just pissed because he's got is so good and everyone else doesn't. </font>[/QUOTE]are you just trying to hurt my feelings or upset me tonight? tings that envolve children should always be watched closle, I have been watched alot because of some mistakes I made, and if anyone who is not rich had done that, they would have lost their kids quickly, as for why I do not like him has nothing to do with anything other than the fact he molest children </font>[/QUOTE]No, I'm not trying to upset you, Stormy. I would never do such a thing intentionally, and if I have, I appologize. He was never convicted of molestation. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

true to a point, but I feel he paid off all involved over it, and te way he acts just makes me belive he has done it, sorry if anyone disagrees with me, but it is the way i feel

Well nobody can change the way you feel, nor would we want to but just keep on open mind. :D

By the way: How you doing... [img]smile.gif[/img]

lol, you actualy mad mee smile on that one, wasn't expecting the How you doing [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D

<font color=deepskyblue>Why do I feel sorry for MJ? Because he went from having the world at his fingertips to having it at his throat. And it has largely been due to his own...seemingly....eccentric behavior.

Once he started to lose favor of the public, the media that had always idolized him was just as quick to ostracize him. And when the tides turned on him, Michael reacted like a spoiled child who was no longer getting his way.

I think you made a very accurate observation when you said "he never had a chance to be a kid". If you look at all of his "odd behavior"...it is considered "odd" because he reacts in a very "child-like" manner many times.

You claim he no longer wants the spotlight...I disagree. He has been in the spotlight his entire life. He may not like all the extra trappings that go with it, but I think that he has a deep, subconscious fear of what would happen if the spotlight ever did turn away from him for good. His image and self-esteem have been defined by the spotlight and I think he does fear losing that.

Let's face facts. He has his own private playground and heavily guarded estate. If he truly wanted to disappear from the public eye..he could do so easily. The blame isn't totally his - of course. <font color=white>Firim</font> asked earlier "Why doesn't everyone just get the hell off his back?" The answer is simple....the media won't allow it. Literally ANYTHING that MJ does is considered "newsworthy"...so as long as he keeps committing eccentric acts in public, the media will be there with multiple cameras recording the action. And if you notice, MJ has a tendency to give the media what it wants every so often. That keeps his name in public domain.

It has even been suggested that he allows the "documentary" that is so unflattering of him to continue to be distributed and aired in several different countries. Why? Because - not only does he get a portion of the proceeds from EVERY single airing of the documentary...he also insists that the same TV station follow the documentary with his own "rebuttal video" a few days later...for which he receives ALL the proceeds. This adds more money to his coffers (offsetting the drop in his music sales) and continues keeping him in the "spotlight" - so to speak.

In one respect, I think you're right, <font color=orange>Animal</font>. I think Michael Jackson IS doing exactly what he wants to do.</font>