Please tell me what u think of satanism and satanists.

My opinion is that they have the same right as we other ppl do just because they have satan as good and god as bad they're not evil they are as normal as we are.
A satanist doesn't worship satan nor do they think of him as a god they only think him as one in god's place not a god itself. Some satanists do overdo their "satanistic role" with black magic and all that but most of 'em only think that the rules and commandment is better that the other religions.
I don't think we should look down at 'em we should let 'em have a part in our society as everyone else do.
I bet many of u disagree with what I have said here so tell me what u think and correct me if I'm wrong anywhere, I bet I am... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

<font color=lime>Just one idea in the supernatural realm of beliefs. Each to there own, I say. Its all hogwash to me... ;) [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>

I've heard talk that some American Satanists tried to convert people to their faith by butchering sheeps on their doorsteps way before dawn. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Still, as long as they clean up their own mess and don't break any laws ;)

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I would group satanists with cristaians, and all other religions myself - in the catagory 'nice idea shame about the reality'. for satan to exist would be stupid. whats the point of an embodyment of evil when our govermnets have the ability to lay waist to the plannet at the touch of a button. the only good thing i can see about any religeons is that they sometimes give people hope + strenght to do things they couldnt normaly, but satanism seems a bit pointless. why not worship your computer? after all it will probably have the same effect;
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[ 06-10-2003, 07:00 AM: Message edited by: Zero Alpha ]

I think you really need a clear definition of what you mean by "Satanism" here (before Yorick comes in... I think I remember what version of satanism he has experience with).

Do you mean Satanism according to Anton Szandor LaVey? Do you mean sick f***ed up idiots performing perverse and horrible rituals and excusing themselves by saying they're "Satanists"? Do you mean people who aren't Satanists at all, but Wiccans or other nature religion/paganism types, but who are branded Satanists out of ignorance? Do you mean the kind of Satanism that's a sort of egotistical hedonism, all about the importance of one's wants, 'Do what thou wilt' and all that? Do you mean the paganistic type of people who put forth that the Christian Devil is simply a distorted version of heathen gods like Pan or Loki and is therefore not evil? Do you mean pimply teens with black makeup up to their eyeballs who listen to black metal and think it means something?
:D

In short, some of those groups have a legitimate "religion" and some are just playing, but others have used the term Satanism as a coverup for criminal behaviour (church-burnings, ritual rape, etc.) I think you need to establish what exactly it is you're talking about, to prevent misunderstandings. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 06-10-2003, 07:08 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

I've always said that anyone can worship anything as long as it doesn't affect anyone not concerned. I don't mind if some person worships their desk, as long as they don't force me to worship it too.....

In my point of view, worshipping in general is a waste of time, but worshipping satan is insane.

lol Melusine i dont think lovisa now anythnig about that guy or the other things and i would say she is one of those teens but without the make up...

Yeah u got a poin there DJG...that sound really good let's vote for that [img]graemlins/laugh3.gif[/img]

That I can sign up to [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] Unfortunately, some people have an unshakeable belief that their desk is superior and that all other desks should be disregarded. Either that, or they see that you don't have a desk and try to force you to use their style of desk whether it fits your needs or not.

Me, I'm a comfy armchair kind of guy ;)

Thanks Mouse! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Yeah, I think you're taking what I said too far....... ;)

Yeah, so am I. Nice leather swivel chairs. But bear in mind I don't worship mine! ;)

All in favour of my opinion say "Aye Aye Captain!" ;)

Aye Aye Captain!
As long as they don't come at my door'n bug me about all the benefits of worshiping satan (that goes for all religions though, and the "Worship this vacuum cleaner! Cheeeaaap, godly vacuum cleaner, this! Only $ 999.99!!" stuff as well), and stay outa bugging others not involved in it (sacrificing virgins etc.), I think they should be free to do whatever they want [img]smile.gif[/img]

I am addressing Satanism as I know of it here. By definition, one who worships Satan, ie: The Angel cast out of Heaven.

For one to believe in Satan in this respect, one must believe in God too. And to worship Satan is to turn against God.

All I have to say about this is that I believe it's very real. With consequences. The ones I believe in are in The Bible

As a Christian, I believe in a God given gift of free will. They are free to worship whomever they want. I am free to suggest an alternative.
They are normal people who do have the same rights and lack of rights as everyone else IMHO.

LOL, you think salesmen breach the right to free worship? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

"ur" is the SMS shorthand for "you are"
"yr" is the SMS shorthand for "your"
get it right [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D

As for Satanists? They are either misguided fools or evil SOBs

[ 06-10-2003, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: Vaskez ]

Yeah let 'em woship... just so long as I don't get dragged in the middle of the pentagram :D

But Satanism (IMHO) seems pointless to me... to me it means that you know about the good guy... but you choose to side with the guy that will give you eternal torment for your troubles...

'Course... I'm not an expert as you may guess

I don't believe in anything btw

Oooohooohooo! You're asking him to correct SMS shorthand, a shorthand that bypasses all the laws of grammar in the English language? That's a new one! ;)

All in the spirit, do you not think you might be a little narrow minded there Vaskez? Have you ever actually met a satanist?

If no, then you're being sterotypical. [img]smile.gif[/img]
If yes, and they tried to kill you, then I sit corrected! (Who stands when they're typing?) [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 06-10-2003, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: DJG ]

Is that so? i didn't know that... I tend to either type it out or use "ur" for "your" and "u r" for "you are"/"you're"

A Christian it is in english im offended why come god deny my name [img]tongue.gif[/img] why oh why does it have to have an H....

I'm very open-minded to opinions similar to my own :D ;)
Seriously, I just think anyone who believes in Satan and therefore believes in God and still chooses to worship the evil one is either very misguided or very evil. I don't think I've met any truly evil people, I shudder to think what they would be like, but I would hope they get locked up at the very least, pretty soon.

Maybe I am a little narrow minded but I've had enough debates to know that NO ONE ever convinces anyone of anything, and so it is almost as though they completely disregard each other's opinions anyway, no matter how polite they are about it. I just cut all the crap and straight keep my mind shut to alien opinions instead of wasting time arguing about it, gettting pissed off and ending up keeping my own opinion anyway - saves a lot of hassle and typing.

I'm fed up of people's thickheadedness, on here and everywhere else and have decided not to give a damn any more and just give my opinion straight out without sugarcoating it at all, whether people like it or not [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D

[ 06-10-2003, 12:11 PM: Message edited by: Vaskez ]

I'm with you Leonis. It's an abberration.

Can't argue with you there!
I agree. My own experience of "Satanism" is as Mel said, kids wearing black and calling themselves scion of the devil :rolleyes:

Maybe, but a *little* decency is in order. Even if it is only a cover for a sarcastic stab at people who don't agree with you [img]tongue.gif[/img]

At least you can take constructive criticism Vaskez. That's more than I can say for some people.......

Oh trust me DJG, with an attitude and temprament like mine, you've gotta get used to taking critcism :D

Kaltia - here we go again, implying I'm sarcastic...I haven't even got my prize yet from the "most sarcastic person" thread - innocent until proven guilty remember? :D

Pathetic... In a word :D My friend had a satanist bible and it said: "Life is like a good party, and no-one wants to leave a good party too soon"

I just laughed and took the piss. Sounds very bibleish dosent it :D

Very bible like!

The Christian one is "Love God as you love your neighbour" and the Satanist one is like a badly put together novel! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

But what if you have one of those 'Neighbors from HELL!! that you see on the news all the time?

I must say, im one of the heathens... or are they called something else? Athiest(sp)?? hedonist? i dunno, im of the opinion that god does not exist, and everything can be explained by a rationally thinking human being (other than human behaviour that is [img]smile.gif[/img] )

I also believe that you can worship whatever you like... as long as i dont have to listen to your preaching.

There, i've said my bit, on with the debate!

You might worship Satan because you hate God.

You have free will, thats fine but if you don't play by God's rules you end up burning forever in hell. Is that really free will? You can do whatever you want just keep it in mind that I will torture you for all eternity if you do not do what I want.

Maybe like Satan you want to say that I will live my life on my own terms and by my own standards. You want to perhaps say that God is irrelevant to morality and it is up to every individual human being to decide what is right or wrong. I will not serve is the beggining of satanism. If you think you are serving Satan does that defeat the purpose of rejecting God.

Or perhaps like myself you believe there is no god. Both God and Satan may just be illusions but this is not a question of their existence. It is why you would serve either of them.

Essentially being Good must be about doing so from your own perspective or you are really just acting out of fear or desire for reward. The decision to do the right thing should be irrelevant to our own personal desires it should be what is the best thing I can do for all. I know I can't live up to all that myself but it is worth a shot.

As for the black make up crowd, one day the acne will go away.

The people who like butchering goats, well I suppose Jerry Springer needs to guests from somewhere.

The question of what is good should not depend upon with a flair for melodrama. Satanism seems to be a question of why go this way rather than the other way.

I am sorry to drag up an old thread but I came across this one today and being a Satanist myself (for the last 4 years) would like to give my opinion on the subject, firstly we do not worship Satan in the biblical sense how many of you seem to think, infact if we worship anything its ourselves. A satanist see's himself as his own God, the reason its called Satanism is because it represents man's carnal nature and desires where as Christianity teaches that these things are wrong, so its oppositional to Christianity thus Satan thats where the name comes from. Oh and sorry to dissapoint but we don't hold mass orgies or slaughter babies to make candles of their fat! Anyway hope this clears a few things up for people. I would also say if people are going to pass judgement on something they could at least be arsed to gain some knowledge of the subject it before giving an opinion on it. See we're not all 'stupid evil SOBs'!

<font color='white'> Quick question.

Why the hell (pardon the pun) is it called satanism if you don't really believe in Satan? Thats like saying I am a Christian but dont really believe in Christ?

Sorry Shaggy, but I am not satisfied with your answer.

You (Not you individually) were branded as Satanist, huh. Well if you go around calling your self a Satanist, call me crazy, but by golly that imply's that you worship Satan.

Change the name for pete's sake. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

Like I said its called Satanism because it is basically opositional to Christianity and I would'nt even mind this misconseption if not for the church burning, goat slaughtering label that comes with it, it angers me because i see so many websites and forums full of these opinions on the subject that are completely wrong (and more often than not then passed off as fact) I just think that people who know nothing about Satanism giving their opinion on Satanism is like me giving my opinion quantem psyhics (which I don't think I can even spell right).

You got my backing, Shaggy. Im not a satanist, per se ( I prefer the term Shaman for myself), but I have friends who are and according to them we share some very similair beliefs.

Watch out though, Im willing to bet people are going deride you for calling your religion ( or philosophy, whatever you prefer) satanism because, as you state, it doesn't involve the worship of the biblical entity called satan. Its so easy for some to cling to that empty point while choosing to ignore the thoughtful explaination about the symbolic representation of carnal nature and desires.

Anyhow, I am curious if you find a relationship between the old pagan horned god, who also represents natural carnal lust and Satan. I am of the belief that Old Christianity twisted the horned god into the image of Satan in the effort to convert pagans way back then.

Can I call it or what. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Why is it your business to tell people what to call there religion? You may not be satisfied with the explanation, but since you can't counter the explanation with anything more than "change the name", why even try? Whats the point?

<font color='white'> Yeah I see your point, I wouldn't like the label either. But like I said, why dont you simply call your self something else.

As for the 'opositional to Christtianity' bit. With the expection of Judaism and Islam (seeing as they worship the same God), wouldn't all other religons be opositional to Christianity? </font>

<font color = lightgreen>I don't think about Satanists because they are beneath my notice. No offense to Satanists, mind you....

All the concepts of God, Satan, and an afterlife (whether in Heaven or Hell) are still just holdovers from the ancient world. Our only time is here and now, so the only pertinent questions to ask are "are you happy?" and "are you making those around you happy?"</font>

Can I call it or what. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Why is it your business to tell people what to call there religion? You may not be satisfied with the explanation, but since you can't counter the explanation with anything more than "change the name", why even try? Whats the point? </font>[/QUOTE]<font color='white'> Its not like I was demanding they change it, it just seems kind of silly to me. </font>

Umm... actually, satanism wasn't dubbed satanism by those who live according to the philosophy it represents. The Catholic church did that. At any rate I myself am a Christian with no claim to any particular denomination. While I am opposed to the beliefs of satanism, I do not harass or belittle them. Some of my best friends at school were satanists. We had some healthy debates on our views and in the end agreed to disagree in a friendly manner. Just my way of saying I understand, and not all Christians are going to persecute you for your beliefs. They certainly won't agree with them though.

Umm Azred, as I recall, Satanists don't necesarily believe in Satan or God, or any supernatural deity. I could be wrong. Basically they just believe that living in a manner that makes them happy is the right way to live. Therefore, you effectively are a Satanist.

[ 09-20-2003, 11:45 PM: Message edited by: Firestormalpha ]

I believe it has something to do with the origions of the term scapegoat, I read that it used to be custom way back in the day as it were for a villiage to take a goat and use as a representation of all their sins. They would then send it out into the wilderness to die and absolve them from their wrongs. I believe this is where the phrase stems from and perhaps why it is viewed by Christians to represent evil. Thanks for your support though I don't think i'll get much hassle at IW over my religion as the people here seem nice, even if some are bit narrowminded at times. Its like people think that its not discrimination if you're a Satanist, Wiccan, Druid etc. Where as if sweeping comments were made about religions like Christianity or Judaism or they were blamed in the papers about the murder of a 14 yr old girl then members of said religion would kick up a right stink. Its almost like 'nah you guys don't count'.

Oh and firestormalpha it was named Satanism by Satanists, Anton LaVey founded the Church of Satan and wrote the Satanic Bible amongst other works and it was he that named it Satanism.

And no Iron Ranger not all religions are thus opositonal to christianity because most of them revolve around a similar concept which is the worship of a higher power