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Found this at Worldnet Daily:
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IN SEARCH OF A LEGACY
Poll: Clinton greater than Reagan, Washington
Gallup survey also ranks Bill ahead of Jefferson, tied with Bush

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Posted: May 27, 2003
3:54 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Bill Clinton tops Ronald Reagan, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson in a new survey of America's greatest presidents, and ranks evenly with George W. Bush.


Bill Clinton

A Gallup poll released this month asked the question: "Who do you regard as the greatest United States president?"

While Abraham Lincoln and John Kennedy finished first and second with 15 and 13 percent of the votes respectively, Clinton and President Bush tied for third at 11 percent.

Reagan finished fifth with ten percent of responses, followed by Franklin Roosevelt with nine percent and George Washington with seven.


Reagan, George H.W. Bush on Time cover

Harry Truman, Jimmy Carter, Teddy Roosevelt, George H.W. Bush, and Thomas Jefferson all collected less than five percent.

Clinton is especially popular among the MTV generation, with nearly 3 in 10 respondents in the 18- to 29-year-old age group mentioning him. His 29 percent tally of younger Americans is about triple the competition from Lincoln and the current president, both of whom received ten percent support from that group.

Not surprisingly, one's political affiliation had a great impact on selections for this poll. For instance, among Republicans, Clinton received only two percent backing, compared to 23 for George W. Bush, 20 for Lincoln, and 18 for Reagan.

Those identifying themselves as Democrats gave Kennedy 25 percent and Clinton 21 percent, compared to just three percent for Both Reagan and Bush the younger.

Just two years ago when the same question was asked, Reagan was the overall winner of the greatest president question, gathering 18 percent of responses – twice as much as Clinton. </font>

It is really disappointing that people don't give the people that founded this country much credit. Ahh well, what ya gonna do? [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

Queen Elizabeth?

*Shrugs* At least the little buggers ("the MTV Generation") don't vote. Who cares about their opinion? They listen to "rap" and it rots their mind. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

It's always easier to remember the recent office-holders - especially if you can't be bothered to study/remember your own history.

BTW - did anyone vote for Nixon? [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

Oh well, less competition for my kids and we have to have *someone* populating the prisons and asking me if I want to Super Size the fries. [img]graemlins/blueblink.gif[/img]

I listen to rap, and do not belive a word it says, just like the bass, feels good when it goes through your chest :D , but I can not belive Billary is in third for best, figured he would be in first for worst :D

What? Thou are asking for a war here, thy foul fa.. errr.. sorry Yorick.. person with whom I don't agree on this occasion ;)
I know plenty of people who listen to MTV and are very politically active. So there [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 05-27-2003, 04:12 PM: Message edited by: Dreamer128 ]

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Never been the type to bend or budge
The wrong button to push,
No friend of Bush
****

The boogey monster of rap,
Yeah the man's back
With a plan to ambush this Bush administration,
Mush the Senate's face in and push this generation,
Of kids to stand and fight for the right to say something you might not like,
****

Yah you laugh till your muthaf-n' ass gets drafted,
While you're at band camp thinkin' the crap can't happen,
Till you [mess] around,
Get an anthrax napkin,
Inside a package wrapped in saran Wrap wrapping,
Open the plastic and then you stand back gasping,
F[rikkin]' assassins hijackin' Amtracks crashin,
All this terror America demands action,
Next thing you know you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin'
To join the army or what you'll do for that Navy.
You just a baby,
Gettin' recruited at eighteen,
You're on a plane now,
Eatin their food and their baked beans.
I'm 28 ,
They gon take you 'fore they take me
Crazy insane or insane crazy?
When i say Hussien you say Shady,
My views aint changed still Inhumane,
Wait,
Arraigned two days late,
The date's today,
Hang me!
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You asked for it, Atty. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Note that the MTV generation cuts off at 29. That's me, my friend. ;)

While I tend to dislike MTV, because it doesn't play videos anymore [img]tongue.gif[/img] , they did a good job for a few years with "Rock the Vote" getting some of the slacker generation off their duffs and to the polls.

Why should it be disappointing? Why look to the past when you can gaze to the fut.., ehh present. :D You are bound to remember someone who did something good for you personally. Even though your "founding fathers" did good for the entire country I'm sure people will tend to forget that if someone steps in later and gives them a 10% tax cut. ;)

As for the article. Who cares? [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D LLAO!

Seems to be a particularly "filtered" viewpoint here Attalus - why don't you tell us what you really feel? ;)

I would, Davros, but it's not permitted under the TOS. ;) Not really, that is my exact opinion. Timber, what was that mind-rotting crap you were quoting? It doesn't rhyme, scan, or have any relationship to the real world. Must be "rap."

Queen Elizabeth? </font>[/QUOTE]<font face="COMIC Sans MS" size="3" color="#7c9bc4">
She didn't have anything at all to do with founding the United States of America...if I am not completely adle minded, I do believe that it 'twere a King in charge at the time of the American Revolution. Perhaps you know a different time lines history?

Elizibeth I reigned from 1533 - 1603 Establishing colonies? maybe..nations...NOT!
And of course Elizibeth II reigned in the 1900's so...try again [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

[ 05-27-2003, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Queen Elizabeth? </font>[/QUOTE]<font face="COMIC Sans MS" size="3" color="#7c9bc4">
She didn't have anything at all to do with founding the United States of America...if I am not completely adle minded, I do believe that it 'twere a King in charge at the time of the American Revolution. Perhaps you know a different time lines history?

Elizibeth I reigned from 1533 - 1603 Establishing colonies? maybe..nations...NOT!
And of course Elizibeth II reigned in the 1900's so...try again [img]smile.gif[/img] </font> </font>[/QUOTE]So without the colonies would there be the nation as it exists today? The cities, colonies and people all existed before the revolution. The PHYSICAL entity of the United States existed from well before the revolution. The CONCEPTUAL entity is what changed with the revolution. The USA did not just suddenly appear one day from nothing. If I go to read the history of New York, do I find it starts with the revolution, or does it start with the Dutch colony? The Dutch colony shaped the city. Formed it. Or does it start with the Amerindians before the Dutch?

The same is true of Australia. Does it start with the European invasion? Did the land just plop into existence in 1788 or does the history of Australia and it's people go back 40,000 years?

Same with Britain. British history doesn't start with the Cromwellian revolution, or with the Norman invasion of 1066. The Romans, Celts, Angles, Jutes, Danes, Saxons, and Normans all shaped the nation it is now.

Just as the Amerindians, British/French/Spainish colonies and revolutionary war are all part of the process that resulted in the nation that is America.

[ 05-27-2003, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

<font color = lightgreen>I think they should have asked why the respondents chose the person they did. Could most of them have answered why Clinton is the best?

On the other hand, only PR people pay attention to polls....</font>

Another sign that the Apocalypse is upon us.

I don't see why you feel the need to be so bloody rude about this Attalus. I thought you were making a joke at first and decided to take it in the light-hearted way I thought you intended it, only to read, further on, that you honestly believe this. I still don't completely believe you're serious though, but I'm less sure of it.

The little buggers don't vote? Sorry, but the article stated the "MTV generation" (and what a nice and biased category they managed to come up with!) was aged 18-29. I don't know, that sounds like they're of a voting age. If you don't care about the opinions of that age category, why chat in Cloudy's Cafe all day long? I haven't seen you discriminate in whom you talked to!

The only true rap fan on these forums that I know of is Vaskez, and at the very least he's thrice as tolerant as you, and a nice, sweet (sorry for your reputation Vask! ;) ), religious, intelligent, funny person to boot.
Maybe you think it's 'cool' to affect some half-serious ageism, but I think if I were to loudly and repeatedly state that people over 40 are half-senile, backwards, have no knowledge of modern society and should not be listened to, I would be called down on that too, and rightly so. A lot of my friends are in the "older" age group, and I'm glad that their minds are still young enough to know that not everyone under 30 (!!) is subject to rap-induced mindrot.

I would be the first to admit that wisdom often comes with age (although that doesn't exclude the existence of twenty-year-olds who are twice as mature as people twice their age) and that the younger generation has many flaws, as any generation does. But they're also the people who will be taking care of you in your old age, should you ever need it, and who will make your country work in 20 years.

[ 05-28-2003, 06:03 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

I don't see why you feel the need to be so bloody rude about this Attalus. I thought you were making a joke at first and decided to take it in the light-hearted way I thought you intended it, only to read, further on, that you honestly believe this. I still don't completely believe you're serious though, but I'm less sure of it.

The little buggers don't vote? Sorry, but the article stated the "MTV generation" (and what a nice and biased category they managed to come up with!) was aged 18-29. I don't know, that sounds like they're of a voting age. If you don't care about the opinions of that age category, why chat in Cloudy's Cafe all day long? I haven't seen you discriminate in whom you talked to!

The only true rap fan on these forums that I know of is Vaskez, and at the very least he's thrice as tolerant as you, and a nice, sweet (sorry for your reputation Vask! ;) ), religious, intelligent, funny person to boot.
Maybe you think it's 'cool' to affect some half-serious ageism, but I think if I were to loudly and repeatedly state that people over 40 are half-senile, backwards, have no knowledge of modern society and should not be listened to, I would be called down on that too, and rightly so. A lot of my friends are in the "older" age group, and I'm glad that their minds are still young enough to know that not everyone under 30 (!!) is subject to rap-induced mindrot.

I would be the first to admit that wisdom often comes with age (although that doesn't exclude the existence of twenty-year-olds who are twice as mature as people twice their age) and that the younger generation has many flaws, as any generation does. But they're also the people who will be taking care of you in your old age, should you ever need it, and who will make your country work in 20 years. </font>[/QUOTE];) - I don't know how Vasky is ever going to recover from this body blow to his reputation. Nice, sweet, intelligent - you bounder Vasky :D .

*shrugs*
Could most of them have answered why Dubya is the best? Same thing.

And either way, with these "eternal" popularity polls you'll always end up with some of the most recent contenders high on the list; simply because they're the freshest in people's memories. In 10-15 years from now, there's a good chance two other new "runner-ups" will be high on the list, with Clinton and W. Bush slowly slipping away again to the same level at which the Presidents from 10-15 years ago are now.

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Actually I agree with Grojlach [img]smile.gif[/img] the people answering the Poll really probably could not defend their answers with any real logic. Polls are usefull for PR types and politicians...but thats about all.

Personally I just think the average idiot, is. Is what? an Idiot [img]smile.gif[/img] I guess I don't have a very high regard for the intelligence level of the average human.

Of course members of IW have proven themselves to be above average ;) </font>

Gotcha! Lighten up, Mel, it was a joke. You should know I don't characterise anyone that broadly. Well, except for "rap." That remains my exact honest opinion. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

<font color="white">Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it was during the reign of HRH King George III.</font color>