Im about to graduate high school, a big point in someones life, and my parents are pretty worried. Ive worked hard in most of my classes, (except Art, dont really have to try too hard in that class) and am getting decent grades in all of my classes, all except one... Economics.

Dont ask my why Im not doing well, I just dont know. I mean, Im good at it, I just dont seem to get enough points to get a C. (Ive got a D, its close.) my Econ teacher is pretty cool as Econ teachers go, but for some reason Im just not passing.

Anyway, back to the reason why I have this title...

So the progress report comes home, I get home first, take a look at the card, see the D, and being a responsible adult, I leave it on the dining room table for my parents to see. I then proceed to go to work for the night. (I work at a video rental store, its tough watching movies all night...lol) So when I get home, I go to my comp for a little Neverwinter Nights, or maybe Grand Theft Auto. Anywho, When I open the CD case that most of my games are in, theyre all gone, with a little note instead.

Steven, (Thats my name)
Due to your abuse of these f*cking games, your mother and I have decided that it is best if you dont have to worry about them until after you graduate.
(o)
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(Little picture of a trash can with a CD going into it)
Signed,
John (My step father. The name was changed to keep some privacy)

Now, my step father is a little bit bigger than I, and has a very mean temper. (He gave my cat a heart attack because he hates cats, that F*CKING bastard) So the first thing I do is check the trash cans in the house, and then the sideyard. After a futile search, I give up and go to bed.
The next morning "John" has already gone to work when I wake up. Sighing in defeat, I get ready and make my way to school, knowing that the games are history.

That night, I ask John why he decided to throw away the games that I had bought with my money. His reply was that I had to learn to grow up, and finish High School. Rather unhappy, I tried to explain to him that a D is a passing grade, and I have MORE than enough credits to graduate already. Of course he would hear none of it, and sent me to my room to brood.
Turning on my computer, I heave a sigh, and then open the CD case in my computer (it holds about 7 CDs) and lo and behold, there are some of my older games, Fallout, Fallout 2, Master of Orion 2, Icewind Dale 2, and Age of Mythology. Almost weeping with joy, I pop in fallout and begin a new game.

The point of this story I guess is that my step father is an overbearing Ass who is constantly on a power trip. And I must now slowly rebuild my library of great RPGs and Strategy games, games that I had payed for with my own hard earned money! So I am here to curse "John" for his arrogance and cruelty.
Im sorry if I offended anyone, but I had to get this crap off of my chest, and I hope that your parents arent as cruel as my step father...

[ 05-23-2003, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: the sauceman ]

As a father, I understand the concern of the D, and have on occasion suspended certain privildges for me 11 year old, including the use of her computer but never have I, nor would I consider such a course of action.


I cannot begin to fathom the reasoning behind this.

School is important - practically everything you do in your life from this point on will be determined by how you do in school.

If he'd confiscated the games until after you graduated, I could understand that. But throwing away something you'd bought yourself seems to be a little over the top.

Unfortunately, if you're a minor, there's not a lot you can do about it.

The thing is, this isn't forever. Finish school, and either get a job or go to college and move out. It will happen eventually, and then you get to decide how much time you spend playing games - but not until then. And also bear in mind that if you play games to the extent that it affects your ability to work, you may end up with no job and no income - by comparison, your stepfather's actions are smallfry.

That's something to think about.

[ 05-23-2003, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: Epona ]

If he'd confiscated the games until after you graduated, I could understand that. But throwing away something you'd bought yourself seems to be a little over the top.

He sounds like an a**hole.

On a sidenote I would probaly save the games for the weekend and put a little extra work into economics.

Steven,

It may be possible that your evil sf did not 'throwaway' the games but in his power trip madness had secreted them at work or wherever you won't get them. Going head to head with an overgrown adolescent who holds all the power is like pulling the trigger on Clint Eastwood after he says "Go ahead - Make my Day!"

Bring your econ grade up for your own sake (or your mother's sanity)- meanwhile - it's not the end of the world, right? You are not grounded? You still have a job? You can still come and go? He can't win the game if you refuse to pick up the other joystick. Hang in there. http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/u/franky.gif

good thing i dont have that kind of father (but my mother sometimes gets her moods and she is scary)

personally though, i sometimes feel your pain. you see my parents dont trust me during education (since i always got poor grades on highschool) now in college, im getting average to above average (with a couple of failures because of terror teachers :( ) and my CGPA is 2.21 (highest 4) which is not bad. still they dont trust me because of what i was at the past.. and they always nag that i always spend time in the computer (not often as before actually only 3hrs a day and that includes cheking email , IW and such) and rarely play games anymore. still they say my computer is to blame. sigh..

Mysticelt may be right about your stepdad just hiding the games til you finish your schoolwork. If not, at least you can still USE your computer. I know some parents who forbid the use of the computer except for schoolwork if their children aren't doing well in school.

Sounds like he's a bit on the overbearing side, but it also sounds like he wants you to do your best and get a good grade too. And everyone is right, getting the better grade is in your own best interests! When you're out of school and working, you'll be able to replace your games and he won't be able to say it's keeping you from your lessons. [img]smile.gif[/img]

PS: I know you're upset, but try to keep your language family friendly (PG13 :D ) ok?

[ 05-23-2003, 11:35 PM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

As a father, I can also relate to both sides. Hey, if he didn't care, would he be doing this? I know it sounds corny, but if he didn't want you to succeed, he wouldn't put the effort into trying to remove things that may be stopping you. Heck, my dad took out the VCR in my final year of high school -- pained him more than it did me, but he felt (and rightly so [img]smile.gif[/img] ) that I was spending too much time watching TV. All good stuff had to go through the VCR.

Personally, I would not throw the games out, but I would put them in a place where you couldn't get to them. Once things were over, they'd be back.

Note that I'm not saying your SF is a saint, or that you should worship the ground he walks on. Far from it, although if my kids want to worship the land behind me, they're welcome [img]smile.gif[/img] Remember that there's no manual that tells you how to handle kids (or step-kids) and their situations, and anything you can find out from someone else is usually about 20 or more years old... not always the right thing for today's world. Many of us parents are flying by the seat of our pants, and sometimes, we get it wrong. The smarter ones apologize to their kids afterwards, and the smartest ones learn from it to try to avoid it in the future.

Bear with us. We're trying to do the job as best we can. Keep using the logical and rational approach to deal with us, and you'll get better results.

Good luck, and remember... it's only a couple of weeks...

*B*

Like most other posters said, school is important, and i'm sure he did it with the best intentions, but... he had no right doing a thing like this. This has nothing to do with stimulating you to study harder, this is destroying trust in the family.

I'm glad such a thing never happened to me, cause i probably would have done something nasty to get even.

trust me on this one sweety, do your best and ignore him, I never tried in school, got the worst grades but some howmade it to the 8th grade before I decided that I was not getting anything out of it, my parents didn't care we were always moving anyway so at 14 I dropped out of school, now I wish to god I had stayed in there, and finished high school, if your step father did this, perhaps he had a reason? look at it this way would you rather have someone who cares about you and gives you rules to live by? or would you rather have a parent who did not care and even bought you drugs if you wanted them, just because it would shut you up so they could get drunk? I know it is tough being so close to graduating and havng something you bought with your own money taken away, my husband has become a father to me for awhile because i never learned to be an adult, by this I mean schooling, work and the dreaded house cleaning he has had to teach me, I finaly got my GED but it is not worth much with out the school life to back it up, so te moral of the story?...do your best and if he did throw them out, charge him in family court!!...just kidding, calmly explain how you feel about it to him and your mother, and that you feel since it was your own money that they should at least buy you new ones to replace it, if this does not work, be the bigger man and forget it, games and money should not come before family and learning,......................................why do I sound like an adult when I say this?????? uggg I AM GETTING OLD!!!!!!!

Sauceman, I'm an economics student myself, and I'd be most happy to help you with anything you want to know. Feel free to PM me and I'll try my best to lend a hand. Good luck! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

I no longer use my PC for games. Gaming and having fun are non entities for me. I've got some games I can send you if you're stuck.

My father tried something similar on me a couple of times. BIOS passwords, since every game we owned was Warezed, no discs to steal. Of course, getting past a BIOS password is easy (screwdriver, J21, done) but it cant be done tracelessly, which got me in serious trouble at times.

I know what I would do in your situation, but most of it would just make things worse. Best thing I can recommend is to forget your remaining games (stands to reason they'll dissapear if your stepfather finds em), study as hard as it takes to get a better economics grade, and when you move out leave an itemised bill on the table. Theft is theft, whether the law says he is allowed to take them or no. But whatever you do, dont get angry (or at least dont act angry).

You know, I believe two boys in the Mernendez family had a similar dilemma a few years back ;) Perhaps you should follow suit. What is your access to firearms like?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Hierophant:
You know, I believe two boys in the Mernendez family had a similar dilemma a few years back ;) Perhaps you should follow suit. What is your access to firearms like? [/QUOTE

Where are they now then ? what sort of operating system do they use ? have they got the latest vice city yet?

He throwed away your games!?! I can understand confiscating, but this...

Is your birth date really 05-31-1984? I don't know about the USA, but here in Canada, you would be considered an adult, and if so, he had no right to destroy your property.

If something like that had happened to me while I was a minor, it would have been WAR. I'm not going to give you stupid ideas, but he would never have gotten away with this.

If you are in the last year of highschool, have decent grades (in general)and a job. Then I think you have proven yourself a person with a good sense of responsibility, capable of making your own judgements regarding your future. Judging by your story, your step father is setting a rather bad example for you with his thin arguments, his disrespect for your property and his rudeness. A bit of mutual respect is (IMHO) a very important aspect of every parent/child relationship. But then again, parents will be parents. Instead of being happy that you are not on drugs, not an alcoholic or skipping school, they start complaining about games ;) It sounds like it's no use arguing with him, so just focus on graduating and hopefully things will work out. Good luck with your schoolwork, I'm sure you'll manage [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

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I think your Step Father would have been wrong if he really threw those CD's away. I also keep in mind that we only hear one side of the story here.

Im the father of 2 a boy and a girl. When I was a kid, in our house a D was considered failing and deserved punishment and a C was worth loss of priveledges. I expect B's from my kids so does my ex. In todays schools here in the US (I forgot to check where you were from) it is no major accomplishment to get a C and B's are pretty easy to get too.

Try to remember that the games are just things that you can easily replace when you move out and do without in theshort term. An education is something you can not do without.

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When my parents tried to stop me from playing games and reading books, my grades dropped even lower. THAT stopped them. once, my dad stuck a password on my system and I went from a B to an E average, until he took it off, after which I rose to a C.

I think that I would have to STRONGLY disagree with your sf's actions. As a sf myself, I would never go that far. I have grounded my step daughter from her computer, and right now her system is disabled, (we stole her surge protector, so she can't plug it in, not enough outlets!) but only because she was shirking her at home responsibilities to play on it. Once she gets herself out of trouble, we'll hook it back up. I would never do what he did. It makes step parents look bad. I want her to succeed, but not at the expense of the trust of the family unit. Her mother had made some real loser choices in the past, and I really want her to understand that I'm not one of those. An incident like that does not help build trust, but instead instills negative feelings, and the world is negative enough, everyone should be able to feel positive influence at home, no matter what. Also, I don't ground on grades, depending on the circumstance...If she just can't get a handle on it, no matter how much I try to help, then I don't think that it's her fault, but if she's not doing the work, (which is what parent teacher conferences are for) then she is grounded. I'm sorry about what happened, and do not agree with the extreme, and wonder, does he attend the parent teacher conferences, if you have them, or just complain about scores on your report card. I take off work for her conferences, so that I know what's going on before I start reacting to it.

Schools....designed mostly to show what individuals cannot do, or create boundaries for thought. As for the games, unless certain they have become part of a landfill, put the matter aside. Little can be done to change it now, so less brooded over, the easier on yourself it will be. The matter is over so whether it was right or wrong is futile. As for not doing well in economics..pfeh, I didn't set the world into a blaze of fire either. As for a D being passing, it gets one through school, though it is a low grade, to finish is the goal, how you get there is merely a personal taste. Trust me on one point though, where you get that diploma will go further than any grades you might earn. A's are great, B's are nice, C's will do, D's get by, F's create a wall. For me, although I have no children, I would be much more pleased if they came home with a C- but came home rambling off facts they learned, then memorizing info, getting the B or A and forgetting everything in a few months. You go to school to learn, not to try and get the A to top off some GPA or make everyone smile at your brilliance. Its for an education, not a competition.

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I would disagree with your view on schools Mellagar and the importance of grades...yeah if you don't mind being just another run of the mill joe, no particular desires or goals and are satisfied just making do..yep C's are fine as are D's. If however, you want to push the envelope and take advantage of the best this nation has to offer in the way of education and self improvement then you set forth to excell, not settle for "getting by". Just getting by is lazy. Yes some schools don't do well at actually teaching the subjects....but they do teach you how to learn....they open up possibilities that you might not have considered....you can fight the system and criticize it for what it doesnt do....or you can accept it for what it is and utilize it to your best advantage, to further your own life and goals.

I am very disappointed that US schools are teaching less and less of value these days, focusing more on BS self esteem boosting and feel good philosophy and of course stamping out any feelings of accomplishment by catering to the lowest common denominator BUT they expose you to possibilites which is a good thing.

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I don't know why every parent expects their kids to get the best grades anyway. At least at university, all the exams are deliberatly designed and moderated to create a Gaussian distribution of marks. This means that MOST people will get average grades and very few people will get very low or very high grades. Tell your sf you are in the middle of the Gaussian distribution for economics, along with the majority of your fellow students [img]tongue.gif[/img]

IV'E JUST READ THIS WHOLE THREAD AND YOU CANNOT BELEVE HOW MAD I STILL AM!

i cannot beleve anybody would be as heartless as to bin your games. if i had my way binning games would be a capital offence. and who cares if you dont get the best grades in the world? if you think about it rationaly you'll be dead in 80 years, you should have fun while you can. AND exams only test how good you are at exams ANYWAY, so who cares!

<storms off furious>

dreadfuly, the world cares weather you are good at test or not, it is how you are able to get a decent paying job, which in turn aloows you to have a healthy life which in turn allows you to work more, and when the time comes, allows you to support a family, which in turn causes you to work longer hours, which means you have less time to enjoy life, sory but that is the way adulthood works

I merely stated that a D gets one by, and nothing more. I am not for getting all D's and skating through school, as I made A's B's, and of course C's. I got D's as well but I still passed, and to be honest, I have met many college students who've walked through with A's and...well....they weren't the brightest candle on the birthday cake when it came to common sense.

High school results are unimportant as long as they are good enough to allow you into College.

High School is only basic knowledge so that you have all your doors open for choosing your future carrer. Let's say you go to College in the carrer of your choice and since that is what you really want to do and are really good at it, you get excellent grades. When you go apply for a job at a company, the guy will look at your excellent College result in that job's class, and tell you "Nice! we want you!" he won't say: "You are the best student out of that class, but you got a D in high school economy class, get out! Looser!!"

Ok, WOW... this is going to take a bit. First things first, I want to reply to everyone who posted:

Animal I completely understand that suspending some privliges from time to time is necessary to keep someone on track.

Epona Thanks for your concern, I totally understand that high school is dead important for getting into a respectable college. I will graduate with above a 2.0, and then hopefully, my stepfather will ease up on the punishments. If not, I will probably move out.

pritchke yeah, Ive got one last chapter test and then the final, so lately Ive been trying to get all those different terms down. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

mysticelt no, he assured me he threw the games away. and as for the grade, Im doing my damnedest to get it to a C, itll be close...

Harkoliar thanks for the sympathy. I dont play as much as I used to, having a job and trying to raise my econ grade leaves me only a couple hours a day, so i imagine that I might do pretty much what youre doing now.

Cloudy RightO, sorry bout that. :D And trust me, I want to get a better grade in Econ, dont want to let my mom down. I tr to believe hes doing what he thinks is in my best interest, but the way he goes to extremes makes it hard for me to trust him...

Bungleau some of the same points I said in my reply to Cloudy, and I knwo that step parents arent all evil, far from it. Its just my step father who takes things further than they should go.

johnny thanks, I try to keep away from violence. :D [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Stormymystic Your not old, just mature, thats all! lol... Anyway, thank you for sharing your story, Im glad that my parents have an interest in my life, but my stepfather doesnt really care about me unless Im doing something wrong, its all about his darling daughter...(not that Im at all jealous, as you can tell by my words... lol, ive learned to live with the fact that nothing I do will ever be as good as anything his daughter does. and shes done some pretty horrible things, he just choses not to see it.)

pcgiant Thanks for the offer, but I think ive got most of it down, and one of my lady friends has offered to help me out a little. So if you dont mind, Id rather take up her offer, ;)

Charlie Thank you for your kind offer, but Ive been able to sllooowly build up my library again, and I guess its a good thing that some of those games are gone, I spent WAY too much time on them...hehe

andrewas LOL... Im workin on the grades.

The Hierophant Again, LOL! I dont think that would help my situation a whole lot...

Lanesra Nice comeback, lol.

Luvian yes, I will be 19 VERY soon, (Hurray!) and I didnt want to hurt my mom, so Im trying to be reasonable with him, but he keeps saying he knows whats best for me... *sigh* I guess we'll never get along too well.

Dreamer128 What can I say? Thanks. :D

MagiK Thanks for the 2 cents. Whenever I hear something, I too try to keep in mind that its only one side of the story, and I may have been a little harsh on him, but situations like this one happen ALOT in my house, this isnt the first time something extreme happened. Heck, Ill even gove you an example:
John(As I so apptly named him) banned all video games(Console games that is) from the house in 1997. I was grounded from playing my N64 because they thought I was spending way too much time with it. (I was in honors back then, and getting a 3.5) I was a little cheesed, so my friends birthday party came along, and i bring my N64 with, cause we wanted to do the mario cart thing. When I got home, my step father took the console, (Which he had bought) the games, and the accessories, (all of which I had bought except one game and one controller)and threw them away when the garbage truck came by. Im not saying that what he did was wrong, because I had done what he didnt want me to do, Id played games on my console. (abet, at my friends house.) But it was very extreme, I believe. This is the sort of thing that commonly happens when I dont do what he thinks is correct.

Kaltia HA! dont think he would take too kindly to that, but thanks for sharing.

robertthebard Good for you! thats great what your doing, and I hope I can be as fair and even handed as you seem to be when (if) I have children. No, he doesnt attend my confrences, only his daughters, and I think thats why my mom is a bit more easygoing on me,because she understands whats going on with me and my grades and whatnot.

Mellagar The sad thing is, he doesnt seem to understand that...when my step sisters grades started to fall due to drug use, he blamed my mother, which pissed me off to NO end. he had no right to place all of the blame on my mother, when hes the one letting his daughter do whatever she damned well pleases!

MagiK I can see where you come from, having a good education is very important to succeeding in life, and I have always tried very hard to understand the material I am being taught. but sometimes, it just doesnt click, thats when I start to get Ds.

Vaskez LOL, I will, thanks! ;)

Stormymystic Unless your an English Teacher...lol (Thats pretty much where I want to head, I love English, and I love working with kids, seems an obvious choice.)

Mellagar i agree

Luvian lets hope your right, although I dont think a bad Econ grade will affect my ability to teach high school english. Oh, and I understand Econ, I just cant seem to apply it when it comes time for a test, lol.

Zero Alpha Oops, Im sorry, there was just a whole lot of people to respond to...So, Thanks for your support, that would be a nice law, lol.

[ 05-27-2003, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: the sauceman ]

so i dont even get a mention?
i know this is off topic, but why does everyone seem to ignore my point's i make in threads? i only make relevant points, but you all seem to ignore me. did i do something wrong?

i cant find a crying smile

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LOL! no, you didnt do anything wrong, your an OK kinda guy, I promise!

YAY i got a mention

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and i found the happy smile, well thats a turn up for the books :D

<font color=deepskyblue><font color=orange>sauceman</font> - First of all, I just want to say that you are extremely mature for your age. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] It sounds like your stepdad has several "issues" involved with his being a STEP-dad...and it sounds like he needs to get over some of them. The fact that you can look past HIS immature behavior is admirable.

Now for the daily dose of sagely, barbaric advise [img]smile.gif[/img]

I sincerely hope your stepdad didn't actually throw your games away this time. I know myself I've told MY kids that I had gotten rid of certain toys when I had actually just hidden them away for awhile. Of course, my boys are much younger than you (oldest is only 6), but I HAVE thrown some of their toys away before - when the toys were thrown in a fit of anger, especially if they were thrown at me. I've told them before "If you get mad enough to throw your toy across the room...make sure it lands in the trash can. If you don't, I will." I've only had to do that a few times to prove I wasn't bluffing and that ended the "flying toys" problem.

Your stepdad may (or may not) be right in taking your games away...but he was NOT right in doing it in such a sneaky, underhanded way. And he is NOT right in tossing them since the note said you don't need them until after graduation (which fosters the hope that he may be bluffing you this time). Still, if he did, there is nothing that can be done about it now...and eBay is a GREAT source for replacing games at a good price.

As for your grades, your stepdad (and most everybody else on this thread) is right. A "D" will definitely go against you when you start applying to colleges. Colleges and universities look very closely at your high school transcript when deciding whether or not to "accept" you. Now I can also completely sympathize with your struggle in Economics. Chemistry and Physics were my weaknesses in high school. I was an above-average student who never made below a "B" in any academic class - until I got to high school chemistry and physics. As you said, I simply could NOT get a handle on those subjects no matter how hard I tried. I struggled valiantly through chemistry (and managed to BARELY pull a B in the class), but I ended up dropping Physics entirely my senior year. I could barely make a D in the class and I didn't want to ruin my G.P.A. Since I had enough credits to graduate, I just dropped the class before it got too bad.

As for you step-sister's problems...those will only get worse until her dad starts putting the responsibility on HER instead of your mom. And he can place the blame anywhere he wants, but it is HIS daughter, so he ought to be taking a serious interest in the matter rather than trying to blame your mom for her behavior. But that's not really your problem. While you still live in the house, try to follow the path of least resistance with your stepdad. Do whatever you have to to avoid his ire.

When you're done with college and are living on your own, he won't have any control over you anymore. Then (if your mom hasn't already kicked him out), you can always go back and BEAT THE EVERLOVIN' SNOT OUT OF HIM!!!! [img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img]

Just Kidding ;) . This time next year, this incident {hopefully} won't seem nearly as important as it does now. And maybe your stepdad will "ease up" a bit once he sees you bringing home good grades from college.

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You guys are too nice, I would have draged him to court for theft already if I was you.

HE absolutely has NO right to do that. He violated your privacy, and as far as this thing goes, he abused his right to be your parent. If he's been acting like this ever since he was in your life, then he should NOT be there. good parents, that sense of family and belonging and comfort, are the most priceless gift a child can have. nothing can replace a good father, a man who would guide his child, love him/her, play with him/her, protect him/her and most importantly teach him/her the value in which it takes to bem a man! but a terrible (if this is true with ur step dad) parent is NOT BETTER THAN NOTHING.

there is, I shall repeat this point, NOTHING you or your mother can do to change his temper, his personality. he may change, but not after 20 or 30 years.

aside from you not performing well in your single class, he had NOT been a good parent to you. there is not much you can do about him stealing your CDs and making you feel violated, and HE KNOWS IT.

I do not know much about your situation, and can only make vague guesses from your post. my advice maybe harmful, and what I said above was based on an assumption of him being an angry and uncaring dad to you. tell me more abt him and you, I may offer you something. best of luck

Zero Alpha, at the very top of the page is a link to the smilies. Just click on "GRAPHICS LIBRARY". Choose your smilie, copy its code and then paste it in your response.

Hope it helps. ;)

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So much anger and hate generated by a single side of the story. Good thing we don't need anything like the other side of the story to make our judgements.


I do not mean to insult the originator of the thread nor question his veracity....all I know from my own life experience is that, there are two sides to every story, and it doesnt do to get all worked up untill you have heard more than one side of the issue.

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[ 05-28-2003, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

hey man, no offense, but the note wrote to Steven/Sauceman, said something like "spend too much time on these f**king games". is that something you usually say to your kid? do you give your son's pets a "heart attack"? chances are a child will become the way how his parents treat him, and if Steven's sf treat him so, then the evil stepdad may need to go.

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Have we an authenticated copy of the note to inspect?
I would also submit that Ill use any word I please when addressing my son.
So I don't feel compelled to tell this guy which he can or cannot use.
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<font color=deepskyblue><font color=white>Ken</font> - as long as a teenager is living in his/her parents (or stepparents) house, there is NO "Right to Privacy". Parent that didn't want to violate their teenagers "right to privacy" is what allowed two middle-upscale kids to collect guns, saw off their barrels, and plan a massacre for over a year before carrying out their plans (Columbine High).

If the teenager is paying rent and helping with the groceries, utilities and other bills - THEN he/she might have more of a voice in the decisions made...but as long as the parents pay the bills, THEY dictate the policy of the house.


<font color=red>Luvian</font> - This same logic applies to charge of "theft" towards the step-dad. Would it be theft if he threw out the drugs his daughter bought with her own money? Would it be theft if he threw away any porn magazines <font color=orange>sauceman</font> might have hidden in his closet? {hypothetically speaking, of course. Not implying that <font color=orange>sauceman</font> actually has any magazines hidden in his room. ;) ).

The answer is no. As long as the parent is providing clothing, food, and shelter - they get to make the rules. Plain and simple.</font>

Zero Alpha, at the very top of the page is a link to the smilies. Just click on "GRAPHICS LIBRARY". Choose your smilie, copy its code and then paste it in your response.</font>[/QUOTE]thanx

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