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Horatio 05-15-2003 12:19 PM

Ever wondered how many people there are in the world?

http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

Kaltia 05-15-2003 12:24 PM

2. And a goat. Everything else is an illusion.

Stormymystic 05-15-2003 02:01 PM

wonder how may will be from China?

Kakero 05-15-2003 02:36 PM

wrong all wrong. there's only 1 people and that's me. all of you are from I imagination. :D

Timber Loftis 05-15-2003 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Horatio:
Ever wondered how many people there are in the world?

http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

I find this site very scary. Thanks for posting it, but looking at it only makes me sad. :( It's like watching bacteria grow in a culture before your very eyes. You just know that someday, sooner or later, all that will be in the dish is bacteria, and no culture (food) will be left. Then it's time to clean the dish and get ready for the next bacteria. :(

I can almost visualize the mewling babies popping out all over the world at lightning speed.

Gangrell 05-15-2003 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
I can almost visualize the mewling babies popping out all over the world at lightning speed.
Projectile babies perhaps [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

I wouldn't know how many people there are, I live in solitude [img]tongue.gif[/img]

FelixJaeger 05-15-2003 04:44 PM

Its a shame there isn't one that doesnt do births but does deaths, it would be even scarier...

Vaskez 05-15-2003 04:46 PM

No I never really wondered except maybe when I was very little. That's cos I always knew what population of the world was roughly and so I never had to wonder :D I kept tabs on it :D I knew it was over 6 billion and that's as close as I need to know it.

Timber Loftis 05-15-2003 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FelixJaeger:
Its a shame there isn't one that doesnt do births but does deaths, it would be even scarier...
Actually, the ticker provided is total population, so it includes births AND deaths.

wellard 05-15-2003 06:06 PM

Self limits *not government* to just 2 children and have them later in life. That will slow down the rate of poulation growth. And dare I even mention certain popular religions and the stupid anti birth control stance :mad:

Stormymystic 05-15-2003 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wellard:
Self limits *not government* to just 2 children and have them later in life. That will slow down the rate of poulation growth. And dare I even mention certain popular religions and the stupid anti birth control stance :mad:
I was taking birth control when I had my third child, what mostpeople do not know is that in Americayou have to 1) be a certain age to have a tubal, 2) have a medical needs to have a tubal......and most important...tubals only work a percentage of the time, I met 6 women who had babies after they had a tubal done

for those who do not know...a tubal ie tubal liagation is where the preform surgery and cut, tie and burn your falopian tubes

MagiK 05-16-2003 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FelixJaeger:
Its a shame there isn't one that doesnt do births but does deaths, it would be even scarier...

Actually, the ticker provided is total population, so it includes births AND deaths. </font>[/QUOTE]<font color="#f683ad">So ummm...who is the little fairy thats moving at speeds faster than the speed of light doing the count? Oh wait...these aren't real numbers...they are someones vague guess and estimate of how many people MIGHT be kicking off and being born at any particular time....and as specified It doesnt account for just where these new babbies are popping out...all I know is my country and those that surround us are basicly just treading water...our population is only growing due to imports [img]smile.gif[/img]

I want to see an accurate prediction of the probable error on this number...when was the last full census of the whole world complete? and how did they make sure they counted everyone?</font>

[ 05-16-2003, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Ramon de Ramon y Ramon 05-16-2003 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Horatio:
Ever wondered how many people there are in the world?

http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

I find this site very scary. Thanks for posting it, but looking at it only makes me sad. :( It's like watching bacteria grow in a culture before your very eyes. You just know that someday, sooner or later, all that will be in the dish is bacteria, and no culture (food) will be left. Then it's time to clean the dish and get ready for the next bacteria. :(

I can almost visualize the mewling babies popping out all over the world at lightning speed.
</font>[/QUOTE]This site seems to rely on somewhat outdated data as it still projects a world population of way above 10 billion for the year 2037. Actually, as population growth as slowed down considerably over the past 10 years, even in many parts of the third world, IIRC the most recent UN projections I am aware of now expect the world population to peak at about 9 billion around the year 2050, which is way down from earlier projections that foresaw sustained growth until 2100 and, in the worst case, a population of about 11 billion then. So, there is some reason for optimism, even though some of that improvement has to be "credited" to the catastrophic AIDS/HIV epidemic in large parts of Africa.

And, it is, of course, questionable if even a world population of "just" billion can be ecologically, socially and economically sustainable.

MagiK 05-16-2003 11:54 AM

<font color="#f683ad">Just a clarification...didn't mean to suggest that I don't believe that there is not a population problem...Im just saying that most of the western nations have it well under control. The chief problem areas lie mostly in various parts of Asia and the middle east. </font>

Timber Loftis 05-16-2003 12:05 PM

[Edit: MagiK's most recent post came whilst I was typing this treatise. :D ]

Well, thanks guys for picking fine nits. Let's see, I'll do a census TODAY and then TOMORROW you can doubt my model as outdated. Look, the good thing this site demonstrates is what 1% growth rate worldwide looks like on a second-by-second basis. And, while we can pick fine nits, it is generally true that we have maintained 1% growth rate for the last 20 years or so.

In short, there is a new New York City worth of people - about 19-20 million - added to the population every year. To me, this is a lot. I have certainly noticed and felt less elbow-room around me every year since my youth. If you are going to nitpick the fine details, Ray, I'm simply not going to participate in that discussion because it is a waste of time. The important message is that our population grows more or less on a J-curve, and it is a problem we should seek to curtail.

Population is the single biggest environmental problem I can think of. As the Matrix pointed out, mammals live in relative harmony with their environment and rarely kill themselves due to population (whereas bacteria consume everything in the culture or host and die). When mammal populations do grow too large, they experience a severe population crash. Well, on a global scale what will happen when we exceed our carrying capacity will be a colossal loss of life. Even a 1 or 2% crash for such a large population over 10 or 20 years would be an amazing amount of death.

Still, none of this has touched on the other issues of population growth -- concerning usage of the environment as a resource. Suffice to say that humans are also on a J-curve exponential growth model when you look to our individual use of resources and creation of waste. Each person consumes more and wastes more each year than they did the previous year. Couple this J-curve with the population growth J-curve and the outcome is startling to say the least.

I'm not trying to be apocolyptic. I'm just trying to point out the need to look at these problems responsibly.

[Edit] As for where the growth happens Ray, that brings me round to how to address the problem. Here's the single best remedies I've noticed for population issues: (1) women's rights and (2) improved quality of life and job opportunities. It's really simple. Women who can have careers and self-worth often decide they want to have less children and/or wait more years before doing so. People who have shopping malls, movies, digital cameras, hiking trails, amusement parks, and, most importantly, leisure time to enjoy them all will also decide to wait before having kids.

It works much better than handing out TVs to village centers in 3rd world countries or offering free radios to men who will get vasectomies. Don't laugh!! Our government has spent money doing these things.

[ 05-16-2003, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]


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