what sort of downloading program do you use and which one is the best without so much virus and spyware? i use kazaa for the moment but it isnt so good spyware many virus files....

I use Grokster... couldn't get kazaa to work at the comp, and it's just about the same thing... dunno if it's full of spyware... used some spyware removal thingy for the first time not too long... was hella lot'a spyware on that comp [img]tongue.gif[/img] dunno what's from Grokster ('tleast it works fine without the spyware).

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P2P is not illegal. Piracy over P2P is, but P2P in and of itself is not. So dont bother bothering anyone about it.
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I use kazaa lite. Mostly for finding patches or other files that should be available through standard channels. Sometimes stuff thats only distibuted through *evil* mediums like fileplanet - split download is possible through P2P no bother, split download through fileplanet nessecitates multiple queues. Hours add up fast like that.

Never *ever* use Kazzaa standard - its got Gator in it among others.

Which is in itself - Illigal [img]smile.gif[/img] K-Lite is a hacked version of KaZaA and as such is an illegal program. not saying i dont use it tho, but surely the Spyware + Adware in the original KaZaA should be illigal as it does things to your computer you have not concented to.

I don´t use p2p programs since they are illegal. [img]tongue.gif[/img] LMAO!

*wipes tears from cheeks* Seriously I don´t use any of them since I don´t need them. The hubby uses "Direct Contact" or whatever it´s called to get game patches and updates though. [img]smile.gif[/img]

<font color=red> You guys should read the TOS. </font>

Is this what you are talking about LordK? As andrewas said p2p programs are as legal as your browser is. ;) If anyone would start to brag about the things mentioned in the ToS you can probably rest assured that several people would jump on them at once. [img]smile.gif[/img]

There;s nothing wrong with Kazaa standard - you just need to run spyware - s&d and get rid of the gator etc. after installing it.

Download excelerator is good enough for me, it can bypass fileplanet long waiting time too.

True, but Ive heard mixed reports about that. It worked for me last time I tried it, but other people swear it kills the program. I guess different versions act differently without the spyware, since I did nothing special.

Is this what you are talking about LordK?

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DO NOT post links to 'warez sites'. Do not discuss pirating games, bragging about pirating or anything else. This will get your account suspended or banned. The only possible thing you CAN discuss is the so-called 'cracks' for no CD operation. SOME Games don't work on some peoples CD-ROM's. This is because of a special copy protection called 'Safe Disc'. But that is it. Anything else is considered pirating.

As andrewas said p2p programs are as legal as your browser is. ;) If anyone would start to brag about the things mentioned in the ToS you can probably rest assured that several people would jump on them at once. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=lime> Sorry, thought we were not supose to discuss anything to do with p2p or anything of the like. Bowing out humbly... [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

direct connect rocks for some things, as does edonkey....

kazaa is good for common stuff....

Enjoy your piracy while you can. The industry that took down Napster is still at large and targeting... Morpheus is up to bat soon, I believe.

Me, I just *buy* the CD's I want to hear and games I want to play. Or turn on the radio. Is that so novel? To all of you who use these, I'd like to say YOU'RE WELCOME, since my higher price tag is due in part to your piracy. ;)

we are not specifically targeting piracy in this conversation. we are talking about a legal program of p2p. unless stated otherwise (like downloading mp3 and such.) im using kaza now. no prob and they have actually improved since they have faster donwloading and i was able to find some things needed for my computer.

Apple's got a music downloading service now: 100 songs for 100 quarters... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Hmm should I bring up a troll sign? [img]tongue.gif[/img] Using p2p software does not equal piracy Timber. You know that as well as the rest of us don´t you? ;)

Actually, I'm not very up on it at all, Willow. What exactly do you mean by p2p software? Software that lets one CPU view another. Sorry .... I really am not trolling, but am uninformed.

Now, if you are telling me that Morpheus exists for some reason other than letting people swap copyrighted or licensed material or hacks for such material, I must say I am dubious. Which is why they're coming under fire from the lawyers.

Surely this is in breach of TOS!! Where are the moderators! This will increase loss of income for artists, producers and those who work to create the music you love.

Can we please not have threads directing people to programs that steal music please.

Andrewas can probably explain it better than me but your computer acts as both a client and a server. Now I agree that most people use this kind of software to download copyrighted material. But downloading copyrighted material is not illegal in all countries. Sharing is though. ;) My hubby uses direct connect, I assume it´s called that since lethoso typed that, to get game patches and freeware (download speed about 1-2Mb/s instead of 10-500kB/s from the internet). You see the possibilities? And since he is in the computer software business I can tell you he sends out a lot of angry PMs a day. ;)

What if he IS NOT downloading music then? No, that can´t be. Any person who uses file sharing software must be a thief. :rolleyes:

[ 05-07-2003, 11:41 AM: Message edited by: WillowIX ]

To those of you who are sharing music, downloading mp3s without paying or without the artists permission, you are STEALING! You are depriving the creators of income necessary to keep producing music.

You can attempt to justify it any way you like but pure and simple it is theft.

Actually there are a LOT of legitimate uses.

1)You can download episodes of TV programs you missed - others might record it on video but what if you don't have a video recorder?

2)You can get patches and program upgrades (which are free) much more quickly as stated - dodge fileplanet queues etc.

3)Modding communities can use it to distribute material that they produced for games. Remember the IE games as well as games like Unreal Tournament and Half Life have had HUGE modding communities distributing free add-ons.

4)Distributing the Linux OS and programs for it which are all free under the GNU public license.

5)Distributing home videos and self-recorded material to others.

Should I go on?

Now the above reasons are why I sometimes use P2P. If I want music I buy the CD version which is a full album and much higher quality than MP3.

[ 05-07-2003, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: Vaskez ]

Now this I can agree with. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Totally off topic, but could someone post a link to a spyware killer? Any help appreciated.

http://www.lavasoft.de/software/adaware/
http://security.kolla.de/

Run them both, neither will do a 100% job on its own but the combination is very effective.

It's illegal to discuss piracy, but it's not illegal to talk about p2p programs as far as I am concerned.

Not everything on those is illegal. For those that are not aware, you connect to other computers to download things from them, and not only mp3s.

Kazaa, Morpheus,... allow you to share and download any kind of files. Programs, movies, documents,...

Some people use it to distributes fanart or story they make, their flash animation, their custom bg2 portraits, gamemaking resources, Home made programs, amateur songs, anything.

Some companies even pay Kazaa for them to put their Demo and even complete games for download. Some are free, some are not. They last time I looked, they were selling Worm Armageddon for 2$ us on Kazaa, and yes, it's legal. They also sell music and documents.

So, yes, p2p can be used for piracy, as the internet can be, but it can also be used to share things, like the internet.

Here is a good advice that apply to anything. It's always a good idea to get informations on something before criticizing it.

So as far as I am concerned, this thread does not breach the COC as long as nobody talk about piracy. Talk about your favorite program, but don't tell us how to get illegal files.

Another mod might disagree and lock this thread, thought. Enjoy it while it last.

[ 05-07-2003, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

Thank you very much!

i use kazaalite seldom because it has too much bogus files and viruses. plus, its not really that useful for getting files which are not of public domain. i find edonkey waaay better (overnet is another possibility) for finding custom made computer programs (note: shareware) or old unreleased tv shows or movies. i don't download anything mainstream enough (like new movies or games) and there are loads of people like me, thats why direct connection programs like the donkey are invaluable and certainly not illegal.

P2P is peer-to-peer, a means of allowing one computer to communicate with another to exchange files. By itself, it's no more illegal than a hammer or a saw is.

When properly used, all of those tools benefit the parties involved.

Use a hammer to break a window, however, and you may be approaching illegal activity. Depends on whose window it is [img]smile.gif[/img] Use P2P software to share software that is not licensed to be shared that way, and you may also be approaching illegal activity.

It's not the tool that's a problem; it's the use of the tool.

Erm you guys seem to do a hell of a lot of flaming to anyone who uses these things.
Sure it would be good if i had the money of a person with a full time job but i have to go to school, if i want to listen to some music i can be entitled to do it, if i choose to, and not be called a thief.
I myself only use programs like this if i am recommended a band and do not want to rush out and buy their album, hell ill rush out and buy their album if i like them, but why should i waste money if i dont like them?
Hmmn maybe its because ive had a crap day or maybe its because i shouldnt be called a thief that im saying this but if you want me to stop using KaZaA is it ok with you if i take up stealing cars to make up for all the money i have to waste buying the CD's of any bands my friends recommend to me? Sounds fair, doesn't it.
Felix

beautifully said.

[ 05-08-2003, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: Harkoliar ]

First to clear some FUD. p2p is just a method of transfering files (note the lack of description of type) from one machine to another. In this reguard, it is no different than FTP, TFTP, HTTP, UUCP (unix to unix copy), rcp, or any of a host of other file transfer protocols. It is not similar to protocols like telnet, ssh, rsh, or the like, because it does not allow a user connection to be established on the remote host (outsiders cannot run files). It is also a network topology (layout). It is made up of a number of loosely connected, distributed 'stars'. Each machine in the 'network' only knows of the existance of machines directly connected to it, but is able to query the entire network though this loose distribution. This eliminates the requirement for DNS and routers, as each machine in the network acts as a client/server/router/database.

As said previously, the network is just a tool, and has as many legitimate uses as illegit ones.

Timber ... the prices of CDs were rising conssiderably before 'file-sharing' became popular on the 'Net. p2p just happens to be an easy target for their over priced lawyers (no, I don't believe all lawyers are over priced) to go after, rather than considdering that they may be causes to their lagging sales. This is a topic of another debate though.

Yorick ... I know this is a hot button for you. Copyright and IP are competly differnt topics than p2p though. I do understand and share your concern, because I have similar ones with the software that I write. While I believe the artists definatly deserve to be paid, the industry has been abusing its customers - to the detriment of both the customers and the artists. But, anyway, there are legit uses of p2p - even downloading mp3s. There is alot of public domain stuff out there that is hard to get through other channels. Some artists even use p2p as their distribution method, rather than go through the industry hassle. To paint everyone that uses p2p with the same brush is just unfair. Calling everyone that uses p2p thieves is similar to calling all black people [insert racial epithet] or all Frenchman [insert nationalistic slur].

As far as I can tell there is only one post in here that is a bit harsh, but you have to understand Yorick. This is his living and I would react the same if people treated it with this kind of disrespect. I have to disagree with you. You are not entitled to download songs from the net without paying. If you manufactured the next generation of computers, would I be entitled to take one for free simply because I can not afford one? That is not how society works.

Well said <font color="deeppink">Willow</font>. While I think the Music industry is waaaaayyyyyy overpriced, entertainment is not a right. The Declaration of Independance does NOT say "All men have the right to Life, Liberty, and an infinite source of free music ...". Here's a novel concept to todays "I need everything, and now" society .... if you can't afford it - Go. With. Out.

[ 05-08-2003, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Night Stalker ]

Harkoliar was right, that was well said bungleau. The programs have many uses, and I was not - and still am not - very educated on the p2p issue.

That said, Night Stalker, it may be true that CD and software prices were jacked up before p2p and before CD burners. However, piracy still existed -- I had friends who were very gifted at cracking games and even making distributable copies of those password keys many games came with during the late 80s and early 90s. That said, an evil industry still does not justify theft, I have learned. Fix the industry, don't resort to theft.

Felix, sorry, you are a thief. Plain and simple. Just because you can't afford your games and CDs doesn't give you the right to steal. Ask Jean Val Jean. It's okay -- I was a thief once too. I owned at least 30 cracked pirated games at one point in time -- hell, for many years I bought NO games, yet played many. I also stole in other ways, for sure. At one point in time, I considered it a moral imperative to steal from a corporation and/or the government at every given opportunity. The only theft I considered immoral was stealing from an individual. Of course my views changed and I grew into different phases of life.

So, I'm not saying you are evil, or bad, or that I don't like you. But, you are a thief.

[edit] To and too are not the same, though too is too much like to for me to type accurately sometimes.

[ 05-08-2003, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

True, piracy has existed in every industry since commerce was invented. My comment about the music industry's skyrocketing prices and falling sales was not about justifying it though. I was only pointing out that before 'piracy' became available to the masses, they were abusing their customers, and trying to blame lagging sales on the customers. p2p is just the current blame. I agree whole heartedly - fix the industry, don't resort to theft. But that is a whole other debate.

[edit] Congress though is more symathetic to industry though and not the masses.

[ 05-08-2003, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: Night Stalker ]

"Never bite the hand that feeds you". Something politicians is very good at. ;)

I still feel the music industry is fighting the wrong battles. Targeting file sharing companies won´t solve their problems.

To be honest, I can download songs from the net without paying, it is my choice to, and I do pay for it through connection charges and by buying the album of that band if I like them.
The problem is, you take an expensive computer it is considered theft, if I download a song it is not, how about if someone wants a selection of songs on their computer, is it also not right to rip the songs from the CD's onto a computer as this is in fact copying it onto a comptuer and not using it for its intended use? Does this make them thieves as well?
I didnt mean to imply harshness I was trying to say there is a negative attitude towards it and its users even if they are people who do as I do.
So I'm a thief huh? So if I kill myself because you said that would that make you all murderers? I think the reason i posted was because I shouldn't be called a thief. I am innocent until proven otherwise and a comment will not change that.
Anyway if anyones offended by that well, what can I say...

<font color=pink>Willow</font color> you seem to have neglected the fact that I said I buy the albums, how else am I supposed to pay them? Give all of my spare money to the bands I like even though most of them make more money in one week than I have seen in my entire life?
And no it's not a bad analogy, its just very extreme, but if I was offended easily, I may have gone and killed myself, you don't know my state of mind and then to be called that by a stranger could push someone too far. Hell i've been in too many fights and arguments for being called a thief when i'm not(even with teachers which means i lose automatically :( )