Well, I was under effect of the Vedran's Bloodrayne poster, so I digged a bit about Vampires in (not so) old Hacker magasines, and they wrote about creation of vampires, about Cain, and the rest of the cool vampire stuff. You know, I am a great fan of ocultism (although I'm Christian, it isn't unconnectable), so I wanted to know are there some good links, do you know something about it, or do you even like it?

[img]graemlins/firedevil.gif[/img] - btw are there any smileys which look like vampires?

Check this out: http://www.vampires.com/

or

http://www.btinternet.com/~vampires/

One thing that I've always found wierd about vampires is that they can't be exposed to sunlight or they die right? But all light that shines from the moon is merely sunlight being reflected by the moon's surface, and all light from stars is the same kind of light as that from the sun. So why doesn't moon or starlight kill vampires?

Don't go nitpicking on us now dude, let's keep the legend alive. :D

The photon density and energy are too low from distant stars and moonlight [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D

This doesn't really hold water.

Hmmm... Hierophant = one who interprets religious mysteries.

I think that for stars, them being millions of lightyears away, they don't really light anything up, you just see them and for all we know, some of the stars could be dead and we're still seeing their light. Now with the moon, maybe the light being reflected off of the moon is one reason, but wouldn't over the millinia the vampires gain some immunity to the light of the moon?

the moon doesn't reflect all the radiation the sun puts out, which could be what kills them. or it could just be a plot hole that we shouldn't talk about. shh [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I've been looking at stuff on this topic recently, and I found this site....

http://www.drinkdeeplyanddream.com

They insist that whilst Vampires are real that they are not the whole, sleeping in the coffin, sunlight kills them thing.

Take a look at the link.

Well, this young lady seems to be thoroughly...convinced, that she is of the supernatural species [img]smile.gif[/img] And hey, all power to her ;)

Hey, Vaskie's answer has some...uh..merit.... [img]smile.gif[/img] Err.. Nice try Vaskie! Good job diverting attention from your coffi...er self. ;) :D :D :D

Agreed Cloudy. That explanation is quite plausible [img]smile.gif[/img]

If you've ever seen "DRACULA 2000" it does, in my opinion, give a great explination of why Vamps have issue with the sun and why they hate all religious symbols. Check it out. I won't go into the explination because it's not revieled (sp?) until the end of the movie and I don't want to give it away in case anyone hasn't seen the movie and wants to.

<font color="#f683ad"> I prefer Blades EDTA solution for vampires [img]smile.gif[/img]

Edit: And yes I know they do not exist. I just like the movies [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

[ 05-05-2003, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

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Hmmm, interesting. Just a thought, perhaps its the concentration of Ultraviolet Rays from sunlight that affects the vampire adversely. Therefore, moonlight does not have the same potency as compared to direct sunlight during the daytime.

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A couple of my favorite books are Vampire-related.

For starters, Fred Saberhagen's The Dracula Tapes can't be beat. It's the story of Bram Stoker's Dracula, told from Dracula's point of view. Quite interesting and informative... and a fun read, too!

[edit] Forgot to add that Stoker later tried this with Frankenstein's Monster, although not with the same level of success. He also turned Dracula into a regular character in a number of sequels, but they didn't IMHO match the feeling of the first one. [/edit]
After that, my favorite Vampire author is P.N. Elrod. She's got the Vampire Chronicles (a detective series set in the late 1920s in Chicago where the main character is a vampire) and a few other offshoots, including some travel into Stoker's World as well (Quincy Morris, Vampire).

Good reading, and fun, too. :D They look at the vampire as just another guy (or gal) with a life (or un-life) to live...

[ 05-05-2003, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: Bungleau ]

Well, I believe there are things that we can't explain, and Vampirism is possible......

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<font color="#f683ad">Not trying to start a fight here...but I'd really like to know on what basis you make this statement? Unless I missed something along the way, there are no undead sucking the blood from the living in this world. </font>

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<font color="#f683ad">Not trying to start a fight here...but I'd really like to know on what basis you make this statement? Unless I missed something along the way, there are no undead sucking the blood from the living in this world. </font> </font>[/QUOTE]You have just as much proof of that, as that there is a God. :D

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<font color="#f683ad">Not trying to start a fight here...but I'd really like to know on what basis you make this statement? Unless I missed something along the way, there are no undead sucking the blood from the living in this world. </font> </font>[/QUOTE]:/ Perhaps not undead blood-drinkers, no. But there are vampiric species living on this earth. They're not supernatural, they don't so much suck blood as lap it up and they're not human, but they are there.

Cool, so they are basically like many of the Alaskan innuit tribes who drink seal and elk blood as a means of survival?
Also, what makes them un-human? Are they simply genetically inviable (such as mules and some breeds of cat and dog)? Or do they possess traits that one would not label as 'normally human'? Can they breed with humans (ie: does the DNA in their zygotes match closely enough in order to fit together and produce an embryo?)?

Genuinely curious.

I think he means vampire bats.

http://www.sciencenmore.com/bat-vampire_001.jpg

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<font color=white> Cute little fellow.. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

I like Blade, though it aint based on the vampire masquarade books (Vampire Handbook).. but it comes close, I doubt it that there are vampire's like those in the Blade movies (sjeees look at part II.. sick aint it?) </font>

Ah yes, that would make perfect sense. Thank you.

[ 05-06-2003, 07:25 AM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]

<font color="#f683ad">Ahhh but Johnny, if there were cursed immortal undead doomed to walk the earth sucking blood..then there HAS to be a God who had cursed them [img]smile.gif[/img] so if you believe in "Vampires" then you must by default believe in God and then realize that since there is a God who cursed the evil undead..that they are evil and to admire them, or follow them would be an act of evil as well [img]smile.gif[/img] Conversly, there is no such dependance of God on vampires. </font>

[ 05-06-2003, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

<font color="#f683ad">Ahh but tancred..the word used was "Vampire" not blood sucker or even Vampire Bat...which isn't even its actual name. But yes there are parasites and a very few animals that survive on the blood of a host body. And that chicks web site is talkin honest to Brahm Stoker vampires not some parasite or bat. </font>

Cool, so they are basically like many of the Alaskan innuit tribes who drink seal and elk blood as a means of survival?
Also, what makes them un-human? Are they simply genetically inviable (such as mules and some breeds of cat and dog)? Or do they possess traits that one would not label as 'normally human'? Can they breed with humans (ie: does the DNA in their zygotes match closely enough in order to fit together and produce an embryo?)?

Genuinely curious. </font>[/QUOTE]<font color="#f683ad">H dude, I have lived in alaska, and the Innuit do NOT survive solely on the blood, they use every ounce of the animals they catch...they have to, they live in some of the harshest climates on the planet and they do not gain any supernatural powers from drinking that blood. :rolleyes: </font>

I never said that the blood was their only source of nutrition. But it is part of their diet (for some of the tribes at least). I was asking whether these 'real' vampires referred to earlier were of similar circumstances, that blood-drinking was a necessary part of their survival technique.

<font color="#f683ad"> Oh ok then, my mistake, thought youw ere trying to imply the existance of cursed undead blood drinkers due to the existance of some people who drink blood some times. [img]smile.gif[/img] I think some people want to believe in the schlock but when faced with reality try to confuse the issue by changing the definition of Vampire.

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Main Entry: vam·pire
Pronunciation: 'vam-"pIr
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from German Vampir, from Serbo-Croatian vampir
Date: 1734
1 : the reanimated body of a dead person believed to come from the grave at night and suck the blood of persons asleep
2 a : one who lives by preying on others b : a woman who exploits and ruins her lover</font>

Definition number one is the most commonly accepted meaning of the word. Any other definitions that are given just cloud the issue and derail the arguments.</font>

[ 05-06-2003, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Hey, wow, we are in 100% pure, raw, unadulterated agreement :D
How can this be? ;)

Hey, wow, we are in 100% pure, raw, unadulterated agreement :D
How can this be? ;) </font>[/QUOTE]<font color="#f683ad">I wasn't gonna tell you this...but I had a <s>gypsy</s> Err ethnic person put a curse on you....you are now doomed to roam the earth in complete agreement of me untill the end of time Muaaahhahahahahahahahahaha :D </font>

Ahhh, and that explains the strange rash....uh, I mean, DANG! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Vampires do NOT depend on God... y is he the only one who can curse things... people can too... or other supernatural beings... so therefore vampires depend on the supernatural... not God...

And its simple... the light from the moon is reflected from the sun... and as everyone knows... reflections show things backwards... so moonlight is GOOD for vampires...

uhhhh...... joking right? Heh heh. Good one.

Some reflections may show things backwards, but that doesn't change the overall state of the energy involved. UV rays are UV rays, reflected or not. Although it is highly possible that Moonlight isn't strong enough to harm vampires (if in fact the whole concept of vampires wasn't bollucks of course ;) ).

<font color="#f683ad">Well you just completely redefined how vampires supposedly came into being....better go read your legend again ;) It was God who cursed Vlad the Impaler....or so the legend goes.

As I said before, if the facts don't fit...change the definition :D </font>

<font color="#f683ad">Lets examine the Sunlight/Moonlight issue again...from a reletive energy density perspective.....

1. Sunlight to normal humans = prolonged exposer causes sunburns and skin cancer
2. Sunlight to vampires is so intense = explosive flaming death
3. Moonlight on Humans, being reflected sunlight = lesser exposer/energy level, lower damage potential
4. Moonlight on Vampire would have lesser effectdue to lower energy level but should probably cause sunburn and skin cancer :D

oh and remember no one has ever shown a dead thing coming back to exist as an undead thing in a controlled environment. :D they don't exist people...believe it...its a nice romantic Story construct but nothing more.</font>

[ 05-06-2003, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

And as for the webhost lady of http://www.drinkdeeplyanddream.com , well, I'd say she is merely a hyper-photosensitive, aurally hypersensitive, slightly deranged human being. She seems to be quite friendly and caring, a lovely young lady, but a complete and utter whack-nut. Just my humble opinion of course, and nothing more.

Wrong! *sigh* Frankenstein! [img]tongue.gif[/img] LMAO! I´m in total agreement with MagiK. Since God doesn´t exist Vampires can not exist. Was that how you put it MagiK? [img]tongue.gif[/img] Arrgh! Sowwy, I´ll stop teasing you now. :D

BUT Bram Stoke's Dracula is a legend and not true, ageed? How come there can be no alternative to the creation of vampires? Therefore the God argument is not as solid as one would think. ;) Say vampires do exist, then they would not had have been cursed by God since we can´t base facts on a story, and Dracula is not facts. Circular reasoning for those who miss the war forum. :D

Sure, but I'd still like to see one get created in a controlled environment. And hell, I'll be the guinea pig! 60-70 years of life (if I'm lucky) just isn't enough, I need longer! ;)

And I would like see one get created by being cursed from god. ;) Actually I wouldn´t like to see one at all.

[ 05-06-2003, 11:03 AM: Message edited by: WillowIX ]