Odd symbolism declaring May 1st to be Loyalty day, given that it used to be one of the largest holidays of our old rival to declare their 'loyalty' to their leaders.

Loyalty Day 2003

Only in America... ;) Very nice propaganda in the proclamation though.

<font color='white'> And people say there is no America bashing on the boards..

I thought its name was Law and Loyalty Day. </font>

<font color='white'> And people say there is no America bashing on the boards..

I thought its name was Law and Loyalty Day. </font> </font>[/QUOTE]No, read the proclaimation from that I linked to:

<font color='white'> And people say there is no America bashing on the boards..

I thought its name was Law and Loyalty Day. </font> </font>[/QUOTE]I´m sorry but where do I bash America in my post? And I believe you misunderstood my propaganda comment. ;) Think presidential election. Perhaps propaganda was the wrong word. ;)

Do we have to be loyal to GWB's version of our founding father's vision, or can we come up with our own interpretation? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Its nice the goverment wants people to learn history and all but...
From the wording the proclaimation they almost make it seem that if you were against certain ..um... recent goverment actions and policies...that you are not loyal. Of course I could just be paranoid! ;)

Is the election just around the corner or what?

Well regardless of all that, I find the Fouirth of July to be quite adequate enough a holiday to celebrate my loyalty to the ideals of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness so I will stick with that. :D

[ 05-02-2003, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

To be honest I don´t understand this Loyalty Day thing. Is loyalty so scarce that it has to be reaffirm each year, or is it some kind of theme day for young Americans to learn American history?
This Loyalty Day seems to be highly symbolic and would be looked upon as a little silly in many other countries.

I can´t help but notice that this gives me a little bad taste in the mouth, I remember a thread in the war forum about a site that showed "traitors" to the US; people who have been speaking against Bush´s policy and the war. Is this what this loyalty is about or am I overreacting? I don´t think the goverment will hunt down people who thinks different, but if you put so much weight on that all Americans should be loyal to their country you wonder exactly what this loyalty is. I mean who dictates what loyalty is?

Strange, it's the same day as Labours Day. or they don't call it as Labours day over there?

Hmmm. Just coincidence, I'm sure, but Hitler declared May 1 a holiday, then May 2, sent the brownshirts in to shut down every labor union and arrested most of the labor leaders, many of whom were never to be seen again...

And the campaigning begins.....

It's like the Salem witch hunts Willow, it only took one child to shout 'witch' and you ended up having to defend yourself.

I thought it was a spoof at first.

May day is the workers holiday, a celebration for the working class and their rights. And no unelected government leader will take that away. Its just part of the coalition of the right *wing* attempts to obliterate May Day and its historical significance.

Hey why don’t we have a military parade outside the white house. No one has done that before :rolleyes:

Great Idea! We could parade around a bunch of our large missles too!

And maybe George will hand out little red books telling us how to be patriotic..

So cheerful and celebratory, yet also so sinister. Kinda like every major operation undertaken by this administration. Hmmm.

And in a clever move the coalition of the right *wing* will now brain wash every American that those people around the world protesting on may day are anti Americans, and therefore evil and deserving of derision and contempt.

No mention of the historical significance and the need to rally against the unintentional evil of corporate globalisation except perhaps in a quaint offhand way with a smirk on thier face :mad:

<font color="#f683ad">You people are just dying to find some sinister plot to assign to GWB :rolleyes: sheesh...did you know that more than half of that wording was standard boilerplate for declaring a national holiday....geez get over it already....I know Canada also has a few.....odd....holidays and there are any number of suspect Holidays from around the world..so if they want to take a day and celebrate national loyalty then fine...Loyalty is not a dirty word ya know...it is considered a virtue by some people.

Edit: Look out world the evil Americans are coming..One Nation to rule them all, One Nation to find them, One nation to bring them all and in the darkness bind them....in the land of SUV's where the ozone lies.</font>

[ 05-06-2003, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

You're right Magik, but let us have our fun. You can wrangle on all you like the next time a democrat is in power. Give and take. ;)

<font color="#f683ad">LOL H [img]smile.gif[/img] ok, thats a deal though Ill be surprised if we are all still on this board when next a dem sits atop the hill [img]smile.gif[/img] and see my edit on the last post ;) </font>

SHHH, Magik, you're going to tip off the Canadians to our plot for world domination. [img]graemlins/showoff.gif[/img]

Although you make a good point, America is the only country I know of that sees patriotism to equal loyalty. ;) I still stand for what I said. Not many countries celebrate a day for showing your loyalty. And this does sound like campaigning whether you like it or not. And I would have said the same had it been a democrat as president, so would most other non-Americans too you know. ;) Up here we have pretty much the same holidays as you do although we call them by another name, Veteran's day is Remembrance day. I doubt most countries do not celebrate a loyalty day. ;) Loyalty may very well be a virtue or a vice, but it is not, contrary to some beliefs on your lovely country, not American. ;) And no there is no sarcasm here, I do find your country to be lovely. [img]smile.gif[/img]

SHHH, Magik, you're going to tip off the Canadians to our plot for world domination. [img]graemlins/showoff.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Tip off? This is common knowledge! [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D Couldn´t help myself with such an open invitation. :D

Although you make a good point, America is the only country I know of that sees patriotism to equal loyalty. ;) I still stand for what I said. Not many countries celebrate a day for showing your loyalty. And this does sound like campaigning whether you like it or not. And I would have said the same had it been a democrat as president, so would most other non-Americans too you know. ;) Up here we have pretty much the same holidays as you do although we call them by another name, Veteran's day is Remembrance day. I doubt most countries do not celebrate a loyalty day. ;) Loyalty may very well be a virtue or a vice, but it is not, contrary to some beliefs on your lovely country, not American. ;) And no there is no sarcasm here, I do find your country to be lovely. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]<font color="#f683ad">No worries Willow [img]smile.gif[/img] But If what you say is true about Canadian Hollidays is true, then I think some of my Comrades in Arms from the Canadian military were pulling a fast one on us taking several extra "holidays" off of classes to go play golf [img]smile.gif[/img]

As for the wording of the enactment...even if it sounds like campaigning, sorry to say its the standard language for doing such things.</font>

Heh, I'll be surprised too, Bush seems to be a shoe-in, ah well [img]smile.gif[/img]
And yes, America is like, totally evil, and stuff. Like, I dunno, it just is.

;)

<font color="#f683ad">Sorry I didn't put enough smileys in my original post to convey the lightness of heart with wich I responded. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font> :D

Interesting to me that May Day never has been a major holiday, here. Labor Day is the first monday in September, but no-one really sees it as a working-class thing. And, there is a long, long list of special "Days", like Cartoonists' Day, that nobody even ever hears about, because they are just to make some group feel happy. That, by the way, was May First, too. I would have hugged a cartoonist, if I knew any.

Bah..go back to your rolling hills and sheep, dear, leave civilization to the rest of us. ;) :D


Geez people, you can be sinister and sarcastic and totally paranoid with the worst of them! [img]tongue.gif[/img] So if I proclaim May 1st the day to glorify my belly button am I an evil Hilterette preparing to overthrow the free world? [img]tongue.gif[/img] Hmmm...contemplates the possibilities....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ahem...*demure smile* Now where was I?...Oh yes...

Actually, I'm thrilled to see that someone noticed our kids don't learn much about HISTORY these days! Schools actually have gotten so politically correct as to take OUT any mention of George Washington or Thomas Jefferson from textbooks! Why? Well, those men, in that time, held slaves, and thus they are forbidden in texts because someone might be upset....to hell with HISTORY and what actually happened...let's sanititze it so our future leaders have no clue about the good or the bad back then....sigh... sorry, but pc only goes so far for me, before it hits the realm of the absurd....


edited for absurd typos and hanging quote tags! LOL

[ 05-06-2003, 09:56 AM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

Yepp they sure did. :D I don´t know if you can call it taking extra holidays. You do know the Canadian military is on 3 workdays a week right? :D Seriously, every province has its own holidays. Disregarding the worldwide holidays, like christmas, we have 5 holidays up here. Victoria day, Canada day, Labour day, Remembrance day and Civic holiday. Alberta celebrates Family day, and Quebec and Newfoundland celebrate St. Jean Baptiste day/Discovery day.

Edit: Cloudy, I can accept 1st of May as the Cloudy's bellybutton day. Even as a Canadian holiday. :D Can we celebrate it here on IW?

[ 05-06-2003, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: WillowIX ]

Uh-oh, our facade seems to be fading.
CLOUDY, history wasn't taught that well in schools when I was in it either. If it didn't revolve around a war, we didn't learn it. We never learned about Fredrick Douglas or Harriet Tubman, never talked about the Civil Rights movement, never talked about the Cuban Missle Crisis, heck, until I took a class about Russian history in college, I thought the revolution there was something that took place centuries ago, instead of early 1900's.

Oh my! [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img] I know my school was exceptionally good for a little suburban High School, but I had all of that and more in my classes! Heck I even had an elective class just on the history or the state we were in! I took political science and Shakespeare classes while we took rocks apart and began rudimentary physics in science...not that I remember it all, but heck, diagraming positrons and such sticks with one, even if the details fade... [img]smile.gif[/img]

It always amazes me when students arrive at the college where I work and haven't done even the basics! Hmm..amaze isn't the right word..appalls is more like it... :( A second year college student was supposed to do a paper on a mid 20th century topic in a Soviet culture/literature course and turned in a lovely paper analyzing "Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake Ballet"... and another did a passable job on How St. Petersburg was founded.....sigh... Maybe they're all just timeline impaired? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 05-06-2003, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

Willow: HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I think you've hit the nail on the head here Cloudy. You see - as much as I like you, there isn't a great chance of me glorifying your navel. But, if you give me an extra day's holiday and dress yourself up in an Arsenal kit I would give it the utmost consideration!

:D In effect you have just bought my glorification. :D

I think you've hit the nail on the head here Cloudy. You see - as much as I like you, there isn't a great chance of me glorifying your navel. But, if you give me an extra day's holiday and dress yourself up in an Arsenal kit I would give it the utmost consideration!

:D In effect you have just bought my glorification. :D </font>[/QUOTE]Ha! Just as long as you don't start saying I'm part of the Evil Axis or what have you... ;)

Seriously, it bothers me when people just take remembrance type holidays (like memorial day for us) for granted as a day not to work, without a thought for the meaning of the holiday. Not that everyone has to run out and attend a big ceremony or what have you, but at least know why you haven't got to work!


Hmm...Arsenal kit and ...uh.. well... LOL! I dunno, think it's safer for the eyes of mankind if I just let that one slide! ;) *giggle*