my husband has informed me that he hates when i type ppl. what's your thoughts?

Wow...two users...and both of us don't care...doesn't really answer your question does it? :D [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 03-09-2003, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: slicer15 ]

I am so with Nate. Probably one of my biggest pet peeves, along with 'ne-1' and that kind of thing. Grr...

I do prefer people and I do care. ;) I don´t get upset when people use ppl though but it is much easier for me to read people then ppl, don´t ask me why. I can live with abbrevations such as AFAIK since you save space and time, but typing people is only three more letters. [img]smile.gif[/img]

My view has always been that as long as its understandable it dosent matter. Ppl or people, it dosent matter. Now, l337, that bothers me. And SMS style abbreviatons used on the forum. But non-cryptic stuff like ppl is OK.

the only thjing i don't like is lol. its so annoying, especially when people laugh at there own jokes using it. WHY NOT USE SOMETHING MORE IMAGINATIVE! its not hard, like cml (crapped myself laughing). use a little imagination people.

[ 03-09-2003, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: Bruce The Aussie ]

Exactly. And I do know why I find it easier to read, it's because when I see ppl, I read something like pipple - it doesn't sound like people in my head. Irritating. Same as like when people write you're when they mean your - I read you are which of course makes no sense. The one I hate the most is ur for your. Argh! Ur is not a word. It doesn't sound like a word. Ur is a grunt :D

well, on chat programs like mIRC or ICQ, you need to type fast. so you ought to use abbreviation.

*Adds another reason to the list of Reasons to Avoid Chat Programs*

But then you would always have to post the meaning with it as well ;)

As long as it's one word in a sentence, i don't care but i've seen people post on other forums using an abbreviation every two words. That's annoying.

I wouldn't worry about it, you're going to encounter ppl, lol, or something like that anywhere you are. Only thing that ever bugs me is when they use a word and I have no idea what it means [img]graemlins/uhoh1.gif[/img]

I prefer it when people use whole words and sentences. I've never understood that online chat or posting was supposed to be a race. I thought the idea was to communicate and make connection with others. I even try to use proper grammar, if for no other reason than it helps those who are not native English speakers. (Don't bother quoting fmistakes from previous posts; I know that I don't do as well as I would prefer. :D ) After more than a year posting on forums, I still have problems with abbreviations for common phrases. How do you learn what they mean if everybody who "knows" is already abbreviating them? (AFAIK?)

I think people do it for 1 of two reasons, or maybe both. Either one they do it because it is less work for the fingers or they do it because it's their type of writing style.

By the way, what does IIRC mean?

I'm a real stickler for proper grammar, so it really irks me when people use things like "ppl" and other abbreviations. I have the same problem as Aelia, I have to do a double take when I read things like "ppl" and "ur" because they don't register in my brain right away. They're unnatural. And it's really not that difficult to type a couple of more letters.

And the problems people have with your/you're and they're/there/their are really annoying as well. *sigh*

You're shoes untied there, Starshadow :D

I know what you mean. It's annoying when you're trying to have a conversation and you have to decode every second word because it's been 'conveniently' abbreviated. Speed is an issue for chatting (though not for message boards - really no excuse there), but personally I'd rather the message took a few extra seconds to be typed than feel like I'm talking to a text message. SMS has a lot to answer for :D

I try to always use correct spelling and grammar because I don't want any bad habits. Last year during a Programming exam (80% of the year's marks) a friend of mine spent so much time going back over incorrect words (typed quickly and without thinking, such as btw and dont) that he didn't have enough time to complete the other tasks.

If I'm ever going to start a career as a serial hacker, I'd probably be targetting people who constantly use these kind of abominable phonetic abbreviations. Major pet peeve of mine. And yes, I *do* care. I honestly have problems with people using "ppl" instead of people, "NE1" or whatever instead of anyone, "u" instead of you, "r" instead of are, (or even worse) "ur(e)" instead of you're or even your (I've seen both), "t(h)ru" instead of through, end words with an "s" at the end with a "z" instead, "n00" instead of new... Especially when they use it in serious mesageboard discussions and actually *do* know how to spell it, but prefer the phonetic abbreviation instead, for whatever reason.

Just a snippet from another board I visit every once and awhile:

and from the same guy...

Saddest thing? That guy who typed that was in his thirties. :rolleyes:
Seriously, to anyone typing like that: it's not cool. You don't earn anyone's respect by constantly raping the English language, all you do is get people annoyed. I'm trying not to judge people by the way they type, but typing like that doesn't really help getting a positive image of someone, to be honest.

[ 03-10-2003, 07:00 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

If I Remember Correctly. And AFAIK means "As Far As I Know".
Abbreviations like "BTW", "IIRC" and "IM(H)O" are okay in my book, by the way. Those aren't based on phonetics like the ones I mentioned in my previous post and just don't come across as that respectless as those others...
At least they make some sort of sense and don't directly break every grammar rule in the book.

[ 03-10-2003, 07:05 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

My English teacher would [img]graemlins/rambo.gif[/img] me if he saw me using ppl or ur. [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]

Besides if you are somewhat skilled in typing you can type faster than you can talk and in real live conversation we don´t use abbreviasions too, except for companies, organisations and such, so what´s the rush. I agree that it is VERY annoying when you see a line like this: Y R U typn lik this.

[ 03-10-2003, 07:08 AM: Message edited by: Stratos ]

Thanks Grojlach.

On a similar note...

<H3>Student writes essay in text message form</H3>
Education experts say literacy could be damaged by text messaging after a pupil handed in an essay written in text shorthand.
The 13-year-old girl submitted the essay to a teacher in a state secondary school in the west of Scotland.
She said she found it "easier than standard English", reports the Daily Telegraph.
Her teacher, who asked not to be named, said: "I could not believe what I was seeing. The page was riddled with hieroglyphics, many of which I simply could not translate."
The teenager's essay began: "My smmr hols wr CWOT. B4, we usd 2go2 NY 2C my bro, his GF & thr 3 :- kds FTF. ILNY, it's a gr8 plc."
Translation: "My summer holidays were a complete waste of time. Before, we used to go to New York to see my brother, his girlfriend and their three screaming kids face to face. I love New York, it's a great place."
Judith Gillespie, of the Scottish Parent Teacher Council, said a decline in standards of grammar and written language was partly linked to the craze. "There must be rigorous efforts from all quarters of the education system to stamp out the use of texting as a form of written language so far as English study is concerned."
Dr Cynthia McVey, a psychology lecturer at Glasgow Caledonian University, said texting was second nature to a generation of young people. "They don't write letters, so sitting down to write or type an essay is unusual and difficult. They revert to what they feel comfortable with - texting is attractive and uncomplicated."

<h6>Source: Ananova</h6>

Can you say "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"? ;)

<font color=deeppink>Groj, good post! Typing "ne1" makes my eyes go like this :rolleyes:

Starshadow, their/there/they´re is another matter. They all sound the same and if you are not very familiar with the English language it is very easy to make mistakes. Therefore I hold absolutely no grudge towards people misspelling those words. [img]smile.gif[/img] I made a similar mistake on a French board once. French is not my mother tongue so of course I don´t speak it as well as say Moiraine or Luvian. So the misuse of their/they´re/there is not from laziness IMO. ;) </font>

Essays in text?? Please no! Stamp it out! Now! :D
My sister uses abbreviations exactly like that (text language) when chatting to her friends on MSN. GRR!! I can't understand half the things she writes! (When I glance over). And the worst thing is, HER FRIENDS USE IT TOO!!!
AAAAAAAAARGH!!! (TO concur with Grojlach :D )

o come on ppl, its jst da yunga guyz avin a lol. No nd 2 get so pvd at ne1 hu uses dese fings :D

geez even i only use the more commen more logical ones [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I hate abrevations, I mean there already are perfectly good words that have specific meanings and now I have to learn what the abrevations are. :D

I can take a certain number of abbreviations, but filling out pages or sentences at a time is ridiculous, but if this keeps it, it may become a new language [img]graemlins/uhoh1.gif[/img]

Well, if English isn't a person's native language, then I tend to cut people some slack. But people whose native tongue is English really have no excuse, since it's what they say and write every day. Sometimes people make typos (I know sometimes I may type one instead of the other), but when they use the wrong form ten times in the same conversation, then it just reflects badly on them.

Then again, you are talking to the person who corrects his friends' spellings in IM conversations. :rolleyes:

I don't mind if people use SMS/MSN style type. As long as it's not too obscure!

[img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 03-11-2003, 04:48 AM: Message edited by: GokuZool ]

Actually I don't agree with that, kakero-I use standard non-colloquial(sp.?) english in chatrooms, texting, and on the aforementioned programmes.
I find PPL annoying because it's used by lazy "ppl". Grrrrrrrrrr........
I can rant and rant about the way the English language is being mutilated by the internet and mobile phones for AGES.

Actually there was a case a while ago of a girl doing her English Literature A-level in "textese", since there is no "SPAG(spelling, punctuation and grammer)" mark at A-level standard.

Actually there was a case a while ago of a girl doing her English Literature A-level in "textese", since there is no "SPAG(spelling, punctuation and grammer)" mark at A-level standard.</font>[/QUOTE]Similar to the article Grojlach posted a little while back. To those kind of things I just say....no.

<font color=deeppink>ROTFL! :D [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]

OK perhaps I´m going off topic now but we are discussing the English language. Another thing that bothers me is the use of swear words as a mean of putting emphasis on words. He wasn´t late, he was "*insert bad word* late". :rolleyes: Since I detest the use of bad language I find this very upsetting.

I know, and I´m very glad that, this is not accepted on IW. If it was allowed I would probably not be in here. (Yes this is a pat on the back to you mods ;) ).

Edit: I do accept and use the word "dang" though. I believe this is accepted here on IW as well right?</font>

[ 03-11-2003, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: WillowIX ]

Actually I don't agree with that, kakero-I use standard non-colloquial(sp.?) english in chatrooms, texting, and on the aforementioned programmes.
I find PPL annoying because it's used by lazy "ppl". Grrrrrrrrrr........
I can rant and rant about the way the English language is being mutilated by the internet and mobile phones for AGES.</font>[/QUOTE]maybe but from my experience ,what if you are chatting with 12 - 13 people at one time? do you still type the full words? this will make you extra slow . people will start asking whether you are busy or ask why you ignore their message when really you are still typing person A's reply.

when the next day you come to the same chat room the people usually don't want to chat with you anymore.

I frequantly talk in crowded chatrooms. I can type incredibly fast even with only one hand-not quite touch typing but close. I have a fairly decent grasp of spelling and grammer and still use it despite a defunct keyboard-the trick is to let people get used to you speaking in that way [img]smile.gif[/img]

I must agree with the majority of the members who have posted here. I also don't like abbrevations of words, although it is not totally true that they "orginated" only in chat programs. It seems more logical to me that they are a product of SMS. Some providers limit the amount of letters in an SMS, and that can be very annoying if you want to type an entire story (after all SMS is usually cheaper than calling someone) and you're out of letters. So you start to use abbrevations so the other can still understand it, AND you can say what you wanted to say.

About spelling and stuff like that; I'm not a native English speaker, although my mum did teach me both English and Dutch, and I know that I'm not. Sometimes when I'm rereading my earlier posts, I'm ashamed of what kind of grammatical errors (some or so stupid that my eyes almost pop right out of my head) I've made.
As a frequent visitor of the Baldur's Gate 2: SoA and ToB forums here, I am quite used to people typing names (you can't believe how many people have difficulties typing relatively simple names like Kangaxx, Anomen, Firkraag (sharing the number one position along with Kangaxx, I think). I even think that there are more degenerations of those particular names than there are of Grojlach's) or places or anything incorrect.

What comes to mind as well, is that I notice that many NATIVE English speakers tend to use these abbrevations. "Why?" is my major question then. Is it really so hard to try and type those extra letters. What is the major difference between "ppl" and "people". Three lousy letters. Come on, pull yourself together. Degenerating (true) words that way isn't even necessary. If you type a lot, you'll eventually start typing faster, which makes abbrevations obsolete.
Besides this, some native English speakers also tend to make enormous spelling errors. I'm not talking about typo's or something like that, but more things like this:
"So were can I find them?" "Are their any spoilers?"
The first sentence can be considered as a typo, I admit, but the second one??? [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] It really astonishes me that some native English speakers make these kind of mistakes.

[ 03-11-2003, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: Link ]

This is comletely [img]graemlins/offtopic.gif[/img] but ever since seeing this thread, I have not been able to get the Human League song "People are People" out of me head. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...cons/icon8.gif