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Djinn Raffo 03-03-2003 10:48 PM

Started a new thread to not go off topic in this one linked... (MagiK's National Soveriegnity and the UN thread) and just wanted to hear some of your thoughts on it..

For one thing i could see Canada adopting the US dollar very easily and within a decade or two. But the US i dont think would really want to have us as a part of their country because: Canada has a population of 30+ million, and im not sure what the voting population is but i dont think it is any secret that we would be voting on the left side of the fence for the most part. Would the Republican party want to let a sudden and huge proportion of democrat voters join up? I doubt it. But think about all that Albertan oil, all that water all over the place, the hydro, the salmon, the lumber! ~cash register noise~

Feasible? Would America welcome Canadians into the Senate? How many seats would we get?

If we did join up Canadians could then diss the South by saying haha.. it took us over a century to submit to the Yankees while you rednecks kowtowed in a couple years. (j/k) :D

Well maybe USA, Canada, and Mexico should try to convince the UK to join NAFTA and forget about the EU???

[ 03-03-2003, 10:50 PM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]

HolyWarrior 03-03-2003 11:07 PM

The western provinces are welcome to join. Ontario can go stuff themselves, Quebec's going its own way anyway, and I'm ready to cut loose Vermont and Maine to join the Maritimes.

Sir Taliesin 03-03-2003 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Djinn Raffo:
Feasible? Would America welcome Canadians into the Senate? How many seats would we get?

<font color=orange>In word; NOPE! You'll had your chance back when old Benedict Arnold led a army across the border and laid seige to Quebec. To late now! You just keep your snow up there! But if you did get to join the Ole US of A, we'd probably have more than one state. your Providences and Territories would become states. That would give you 26 senators. As for representatives, I haven't a clue. It's done by population, but the number of representatives is constant. So some states would be forced to give up representatives in order for you all to have some. But I think there would be at least 13 (1 for each new state).</font>


Well maybe USA, Canada, and Mexico should try to convince the UK to join NAFTA and forget about the EU???

<font color=orange>I'd raise a glass to that!</font>


antryg 03-03-2003 11:47 PM

We just want Vancouver Island to join. The rest of Canada isn't really important. :D Amazing, I can be nice to Djinn and upset the rest of the Canadians at IW with one sentence. http://technobench.com/imghoster/tea...magicdjinn.gif

Night Stalker 03-03-2003 11:56 PM

I just want to clear up any rumors about Canada being the 51st State. This is a fallacy! SOUTH JERSEY IS THE 51ST STATE!!! (We ceeded from the North :D :D :D )LOL!

Also, isn't Toronto already in the US? I mean, they have American Baseball and Hockey teams ..... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Quote:

By Djinn:
If we did join up Canadians could then diss the South by saying haha.. it took us over a century to submit to the Yankees while you rednecks kowtowed in a couple years. (j/k)

LLAO!! [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]

[ 03-03-2003, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: Night Stalker ]

/)eathKiller 03-04-2003 12:24 AM

I say we do it and hope the green party gets more votes [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Iron_Ranger 03-04-2003 03:34 AM

<font color='white'>I think we should trade Hawaii for Alberta [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Come one when was the last time Hawaii did something productive ;)

I doubt very seirously that any of Canada would join the US. Let me rephrase that, I seirously doubt the US will let Canada join the US. Cause like you said, Canada is mostly left wing.

Why would America want canada anyway? Albertas oil? We have oil, a whole ton of it in Alaska, but lets not go there cause that will rerail the thread. There is the lumber and all that, but the US already gets a ton of lumber and hyrdro imports from BC anyway dont they??

Of course I could be wrong aboot that eh! </font>

Davros 03-04-2003 04:10 AM

Well I think it is just a Canadian plot - they are sick of seeing their swimmers spanked by OZ at the Commonwealth Games and the Pan Pacs and the Olympics - that's why they are doing it - they want to see some swimming gold again ;)

[ 03-04-2003, 05:47 AM: Message edited by: Davros ]

WillowIX 03-04-2003 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by Night Stalker:

Also, isn't Toronto already in the US? I mean, they have American Baseball and Hockey teams ..... [img]tongue.gif[/img]


Well the baseball you can keep. I have never seen another sport waste so much time without anything happen. [img]tongue.gif[/img] It could be argued that every US state with a hockey team is a Canadian province since 95% of the North American players in those teams are Canadian. And yet you root for them. [img]tongue.gif[/img] LOL!

I would be for a trade. You give us Hawaii ad we give you Quebec. You give us Florida and we give you Saskatchewan. The rest of your states we can do without. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

OK onto the currency. I donīt see why the US and Canada canīt have the same currency. Of course I tend to use my VISA card so I have no problems. The European nations are getting a common currency to ease travel and trading. Why canīt we? Of course we would need to change those ridiculous faces on your dollas bills. ;)

johnny 03-04-2003 07:37 AM

I agree with Willow, and they should put beavers on those bills instead. :D

Iron_Ranger 03-04-2003 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WillowIX:
Well the baseball you can keep. I have never seen another sport waste so much time without anything happen. [img]tongue.gif[/img] It could be argued that every US state with a hockey team is a Canadian province since 95% of the North American players in those teams are Canadian. And yet you root for them. [img]tongue.gif[/img] LOL!

I would be for a trade. You give us Hawaii ad we give you Quebec. You give us Florida and we give you Saskatchewan. The rest of your states we can do without. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

OK onto the currency. I donīt see why the US and Canada canīt have the same currency. Of course I tend to use my VISA card so I have no problems. The European nations are getting a common currency to ease travel and trading. Why canīt we? Of course we would need to change those ridiculous faces on your dollas bills. ;) [/QB]
Actually its more around 70% mark, the canadain players that is. I know at least 15% are Eroupean, so that leaves it at 80, and how many are american, at least 10% so..

Quebec? No thanks, they dont like us anyway [img]tongue.gif[/img] . Take Florida, please!! We will give it for free! Of course you will regret it when elections come around ;) . I am tellin ya, Hawaii for Alberta [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And, no, you cant have our currency, its ours. Keep your Looney [img]tongue.gif[/img]

To quote Robin Williams-

"The Canadain currency is called the Looney, how can you take a economic crisis seirously. The looney is down, well sthso sthad for you!"

[ 03-04-2003, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Iron_Ranger ]

Thoran 03-04-2003 08:25 AM

I've always liked Canadian folding money more than US... colorful and regal and all that. :D If you can resolve the 50 cents on the dollar problem I'd vote for letting the Canadians join the party... and using their purdy money too.

Seriously, with NAFTA and given how close our governments are already... would there be any real advantages to combine (besides the wait getting accross the border)? Perhaps if Quebec really does decide to go its own way there might be advantages for the rest of Canada to think about such a thing, but people tend to become attached to their sovereignty, and build up loyalty to the idea of a nation... I just can't imagine Canadians giving that up (even though the Quebecers seem to be willing to).

Attalus 03-04-2003 09:38 AM

What, and give up our proud leagacy of forgetting all about Canada unless they do something blatantly anti-US? Anyway, you can't have Hawai'i. We have a small base there, called Pearl Harbor, that Al-Qaida is supposed to be targeting. How could the Canadian Navy and Air Force protect it? And, we definitely do not want Quebec. Let France have it, and Jerry Lewis, too.

Timber Loftis 03-04-2003 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Night Stalker:
I just want to clear up any rumors about Canada being the 51st State. This is a fallacy! SOUTH JERSEY IS THE 51ST STATE!!! (We ceeded from the North :D :D :D )LOL!
[qb]

LLAO!! [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]

Ah, yes, The Great State of South Jersey. Where every exit number has a representative all its own. :D :D And every Senator gets a free Camaro and pinky ring when he enters office. :D :D :D :D ROFL.

I didn't really mean that thing about Canada being a state on the other thread. [img]graemlins/awcrap.gif[/img] IMHO, Canada is much too progressive in some ways and a little too conservative in some ways for any sort of political joining between the two. Other than for trade purposes such as NAFTA of course.

But, and you all tell me if I'm wrong, but (except Quebec of course) you rarely see two nations with such strong bonds as between the USA and Canada.

International traveling tip: Americans, tell everyone you're from Canada. They are much better liked. ;)

Attalus 03-04-2003 10:13 AM

When I was in school, they told us that the US-Canadian border was the "longest unfortified border in the world." We haven't had a war between us since 1812. IMHO, it is because they don't have anything we want. j/k

[ 03-04-2003, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Attalus ]

johnny 03-04-2003 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Attalus:
When I was in school, they told us that the US-Canadian border was the "longest unfortified border in the world." We haven't had a war between us since 1812. IMHO, it is because they don't have anything we want. j/k
Are you sure about that ? Not even Shania Twain ? :D

Timber Loftis 03-04-2003 10:31 AM

I'd go to war for Shania Twain. :D Oh, and that ice skating chick - whose name I forget. But they can keep Avril Lavine, cause she proved on the Grammys that she can't carry a tune. :D

[edit] Oh screw the philosophical part of this thread - let's just discuss hot Canadian women. I know some others, but they all work at this place called Sundowner, i.e. the "Canadian Ballet" as my friends in Syracuse refer to it. :D

[ 03-04-2003, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

WillowIX 03-04-2003 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
*snip*

[edit] Oh screw the philosophical part of this thread - let's just discuss hot Canadian women. I know some others, but they all work at this place called Sundowner, i.e. the "Canadian Ballet" as my friends in Syracuse refer to it. :D

Hot Canadian women ehh? I wonder when I will be mentioned! [img]tongue.gif[/img] LLAO!

Attalus, I always figured it was the other way around. [img]tongue.gif[/img] If you do decide to invade at least your injured will get free health care. :D

Timber Loftis 03-04-2003 11:24 AM

Willow, you definately are H-O-T. Your curves, your grace, the way you jump out of the water and do that flip - it's amazing. I *did* mention my dolphin fetish didn't I. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

WillowIX 03-04-2003 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Willow, you definately are H-O-T. Your curves, your grace, the way you jump out of the water and do that flip - it's amazing. I *did* mention my dolphin fetish didn't I. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
[img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img] Here I was expecting a compliment and you start blathering about my dolphin. [img]tongue.gif[/img] LLAO! To not make this post totally off topic, I will just say that, ummm...., ehhh, you guys donw south would get a lovely national anthem if our countries joined together. I wonder what the flag would look like? A red, white and blue maple leaf with stars?

Night Stalker 03-04-2003 12:35 PM

Timber .... you were right up to the Camero IROC and pinky ring - the five families rule in North Jersey! LOL No matter how hard we try we just can't get the right PR for the movement. :(

As for the Canadian money, I think their $2 coin is just neato (did I just say neato?) but they can keep their paper money.

I have to agree with you <font color="deeppink">Willow</font> about baseball. Utterly useless activity (can't even call it a sport [img]tongue.gif[/img] ). I only watch it to cure insomnia. Though, if you were go out and perform either national anthem, you would make the game infinatly more enjoyable [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/showoff.gif[/img]

[ 03-04-2003, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: Night Stalker ]

Djinn Raffo 03-04-2003 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Attalus:
When I was in school, they told us that the US-Canadian border was the "longest unfortified border in the world." We haven't had a war between us since 1812. IMHO, it is because they don't have anything we want. j/k
hahaha! :D

Well Canada is the United States largest trading partner! so we actually have more of what USA wants than anyone else.

~hears people guffaw: No S***??~ ..it's true! :D

[ 03-04-2003, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]

Attalus 03-04-2003 01:56 PM

Yes, but we clever evil Americans have tricked you into giving us what we want for this useless commodity called "money." No need to go to war to get something we can just buy. ;)

Iron_Ranger 03-04-2003 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Attalus:
We have a small base there, called Pearl Harbor, that Al-Qaida is supposed to be targeting. How could the Canadian Navy and Air Force protect it? .
Well, we protect Canada anyway. So if Hawaii goes to Canada I dont see why we wouldnt still have forces at Pearl Habor.

pritchke 03-04-2003 06:49 PM

This is funny. Canada is for sale on e-bay.

WARNING: Bad humour insulting Canada

http://mysoapbox.net/canada.html

Timber Loftis 03-04-2003 06:51 PM

Funny, I thought New Jersey was America's largest burb. :D

johnny 03-04-2003 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pritchke:
This is funny. Canada is for sale on e-bay.

WARNING: Bad humour insulting Canada

http://mysoapbox.net/canada.html

LOL Current bid 1.99 US. I think i'll give it a shot and bid 5 US. I only hope i don't actually win, where the hell am i gonna stash it ? :D

Night Stalker 03-04-2003 08:28 PM

We are. We are America's version of "A Tale of Two Cities". Though I know many in northwestern and shore parts that vehemitly disagreee with that.

Animal 03-04-2003 09:00 PM

I doubt the American's would want us to join the States. We'd replace all of their near beer with the real stuff. :D


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