All you makeup-wearing guys out there!

OK, so maybe not a good opening line, considering last time I checked there were less than half a dozen of you...

OK then, for those of a male persuasion who use any kind of cosmetic, be it makeup, skin cream, that kinda thing...

Are YOU fed up with the constant prejudice that all the manufacturers have that cosmetics are for women only? I recently dyed my hair, and the picture on the front of the box was a woman. Not that I mind the picture, it's the assumption, and that all the hair dye had a woman's face on it, and was all aimed at women...

I can't buy an eyeliner without people giving me odd looks. You get the jist, I'm sure.

That is why you must all join the Fight Against Cosmetics Control! Join me now, Brothers!

Not even if you threatened to put me into a barrel full of rattlesnakes [img]tongue.gif[/img]

What about small, wet sack full of earlobe-biting, rabid guinae pigs?

What about small, wet sack full of earlobe-biting, rabid guinae pigs?</font>[/QUOTE]I had two guinea pigs once. They sucked. one was incredibly fat and the other was incredibly skinny, but they both just sat there in front of the food dish, eating and shitting all day long... :( They weren't rabid and earlobe biting though. That might have made them more exciting.

Sorry Mojo, i'm too busy fighting the penguin army, find yourself another footsoldier. :D

yikes! man wearing cosmetic like lip stick or eye darker? eeeekkkkkkk!!

count me out. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Mojo, this is a wonderful topic. Although I myself do not use cosmetics in such a way, I totally understand your situation.
In the past, it was not uncommon for noblemen to powder their face. In fact, nearly all of them did (they also applied fake hairy birthmarks, but that's another story). These days you can hardly cross the street without people staring at you if you've done so much as paint your nails black. At the same time that men are restricted to using no cosmetics whatsoever, women have a free choice in the amount they wish to apply.
This is of course very unfair and we should not bow to this cosmetics tyranny.
But it is not the only example of the way men are suppressed in our society.
In the past, it was not uncommon for men to wear dress-like garments such as the sarong, tunic or indeed, the kilt. Try walking in one now and you can sense the hostility around you, not only from women, but from other men who are part jealous and part brainwashed by mothers, sisters and wives.
At the same time, women can walk freely in whatever garments they choose, be they dresses or trousers. In the American society over 90% of women regularly wear blue jeans, yet these clothes have traditionally been for men only.
So why is it women are allowed to wear anything they like, even men's clothes, and men are restricted to what little the women permit? Why is it that men accept this, and even aid in beating down any resistance as may arise?
It is time we realise this is the real enemy of our society, and the issue should receive the highest priority. It is time to make a stand, and reclaim our rights.

We are going to have to act if we want to live in a different world.

Join the Fight Against Cosmetics Control.
Say NO to the Trouser Tyranny.

Cast off the chains which bind you to this wrong. The key is YOU!

EDIT: And fighting for the penguin army is pointless. I've been training my army of Scottish Battle Armadillos for years now, and everyone knows 'dillos eat penguin eggs for lunch and supper. If I choose to deploy my force against the PA, the penguin army will crumble in no-time. Better to spend your time fighting for this just cause ;)

[ 01-31-2003, 05:21 AM: Message edited by: Legolas ]

Thank you, Legolas.

As for the rest of you...well, I'm disappointed. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves!

I would be ashamed wearing cosmetics than supporting a pro-male cosmetic movement

LOL, if wearing cosmetics is your goal, out of here, I'll have to roll. Why on earth would you want to do that? Right now, men have it the best we have ever had it. We don't have to wear ties or hats, unless we want to, I wear a suit twice a year, maybe, and girls walk around practically naked. I like it like it is. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And there, Aragorn, is the source of the problem. People are tricked into thinking it is shameful for a man to use cosmetics or wear certain kinds of clothing such as the aforementioned kilt. Sadly, this notion is rather persistent and it is this which motivates people to look down on those who choose to go for what they want, rather than what others think they should want. By disrespecting those heroes who openly show their dislike of the current situation and keep insisting what they do is wrong, the tyranny is enforced.
One other common misconception is that men wear such clothes or use cosmetics to appear more feminine (also occasionally refered to as drag). Although this may indeed be true in some cases, it is not the purpose of such actions. The reason it is view as such is because it goes against the stereotype which is being enforced. I should state at this point that I have no problems with those who do wear clothes or cosmetics usually associated with women to appear a female, other than the fact that our society's inability to truely appreciate these people also puts other forefighters in a 'bad' light. This problem lies not with these free minds, but rather with those who stubbornly stick to what they have been told and see it as the sole truth.

It is not our goal to liberate those already using cosmetics or wearing sarongs, they had the strength and will to liberate themselves. We seek not to free those who posess the strength to free themselves but fail to do so because they prefer trousers to kilts, for it is a personal choice. We seek to have those who do not believe there should be a choice realise their views are incorrect and selfish (although there are, of course, exceptions).
You do not have to wear lipstick to fight the cosmetics tyranny. If we would force you to use nailpolish we'd be starting a tyranny of our own, and that would be plain wrong. We want to help the poor misguided souls, and we want to do so by offering them [img]graemlins/braveheart.gif[/img]

[ 01-31-2003, 09:59 AM: Message edited by: Legolas ]

LOL, if wearing cosmetics is your goal, out of here, I'll have to roll. Why on earth would you want to do that? Right now, men have it the best we have ever had it. We don't have to wear ties or hats, unless we want to, I wear a suit twice a year, maybe, and girls walk around practically naked. I like it like it is. [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Remember the days of Robin Hood ? Boy am i glad that kinda fashion is gone. Picture yourself running around in a pair of tights. :D

Ah, yes Johnny. And that is why we have no desire to go back to the past. However, men should be free to wear tights and not be laughed at if they do so prefer. I'll be having my weekend now, but then I'll be back to make sure you all aren't trying to cover up this thread for freedom ;)

I used to go to Goth parties sometimes so I know some men who wear make-up - even used to lend out my black nail polish to a male friend [img]tongue.gif[/img] ;)

I don't have a problem with it and I don't see why anyone else should, either. A guy who dresses up in drag and women's clothes looks ridiculous in my own opinion, doesn't mean I think he shouldn't be allowed to dress that way. And wearing make-up doesn't necessarily equate wearing drag or looking feminine either. When I was 15 I thought Dani from C.O.F was sexy as hell, ROTFL!!
Still think a kilt is sexy, anyway. I wish my boyfriend (studying in Scotland at the moment) would wear one. :D

I was forced by my grandmother to wear tights (ok, I was a boy and it's been in winter). At least I've been allowed to wear trousers above of them...
As for the make-up thing: I reserve the right giving you odd looks as soon as you are using colours not according to your type! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

LMAO!!! Yeah, if a Winter guy would wear Spring colours for make-up, now THAT would look ridiculous ;)

BTW - I don't think most guys who use cosmetics use them like a woman would (apart from drag queens that is). I mean, my own boyfriend has some skin cream he uses after he's showered, because he has dry skin. Doesn't mean he would want to be seen dead wearing my lipstick, LOL. :D He's also got long hair so he needs to use conditioner, I don't think that's unmasculine or something silly like that - the only people who think that must be latent gays [img]tongue.gif[/img] ;)

Most of the men I've seen using real make-up just wore a bit of eyeliner, they don't make up their faces like a girl would. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Oh another thing... anyone in the cosmetics business will tell you that there is a noticable trend of cosmetics for men: shaving creams and after shaves used to just smell good, but now they "hydrate the skin and leave you feeling fresh and smooth". There is more choice in those products, as well as in deodorants, skin creams and perfumes. Where I live, there are quite a lot of hair dye products that have a man, or both a man and a woman, depicted on the cover.

[ 01-31-2003, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

LOL, if wearing cosmetics is your goal, out of here, I'll have to roll. Why on earth would you want to do that? Right now, men have it the best we have ever had it. We don't have to wear ties or hats, unless we want to, I wear a suit twice a year, maybe, and girls walk around practically naked. I like it like it is. [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, yes, yes and yes. But things are changing. Every time one of us slips up and agrees to run to the grocery story, every time one of us makes dinner, we lose a little something of ourselves. C'mon guys - please do not so openly expose our flaws. It's quite hard enough trying to just deal with the emotional aspects of these gorgeous creatures, can you believe what the world will come to if we keep pointing out the extent of the lengths they go through that we don't??

As for cosmetics, what counts? Something to keep your fever blister away? Plucking your unibrow? Surely not aftershave.

Anyway, if you mean cosmetics, the only thing that will make me wear them (other than stage acting - which I've done) is to get all the women in the world together and have them threaten, in unison, to stop wearing make-up if I don't start wearing make-up. :D :D :D

[quote]Originally posted by Melusine:

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Originally posted by Borvik: [qb]Where I live, there are quite a lot of hair dye products that have a man, or both a man and a woman, depicted on the cover.

That's as maybe, but all the hair dye products I've seen with men on them are designed to cover grey. Every single one. I havn't got grey hair, I don't want to look younger, I merely want an interesting colour in my hair...

Just wanted to link a related thread:

http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...;f=10;t=013774

Related? The issue here is not homosexuality, my friend.

I'd like to state, for the record, that I havn't worn any makeup for quite a while, what with one thing and another, interviews and such, and if my application is successfull then I won't be wearing makeup for at least another 9 years. *However*, I'm still campaigning for the right. I would go into more detail but Legolas can put it all so much more eloquently than me.

And I'm not gay, either.

Mojo, it had 0 posts when I posted it. The link in the first post on the thread was what I thought related - which was some guy complaining about guys doing non-guy-like things, such as being sappy on the altar.

No, some folks will toss homosexuality into a discussion such as that, no matter what - but I wasn't trying to say it was related at all.

OK, I apologise.

But let that be a warning to those of you who *will* toss homosexuality into such a debate.

Well, that's not what I have seen. It's the trendy, flashy colours for young people that have men on the cover, at least in the stores around here. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I disagree, at least in part. Take formalwear. Men have to wear a suit, if not a dinner suit. That mean pants, shirt, jacket, tie. Apart from being totally boring for them, what if it's really hot? Which is is, often, here in Australia. Women can wear however little fabric they like! Just because of a silly custom from a different climate. Up until this year my dad has had to wear a tie to work (the new CEO is more sensible and put out a memo that even the top executives like my dad don't have to wear ties). And a lot of professions require (or at least tacitly expect) men to wear full suits to work.

Well, that's not what I have seen. It's the trendy, flashy colours for young people that have men on the cover, at least in the stores around here. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Yep, I've seen the same. Plus lots of men get highlights and colours at salons too. And I read women's magazines, Cosmo and such; there's a whole section for men's beauty products - hair, skin, scents and so on. For men who read their gf's mag ;)

[quote]Originally posted by Aelia Jusa:

Quote:

Originally posted by Melusine: For men who read their gf's mag ;)

That's the problem...your prejudice.

That's the problem...your prejudice.</font>[/QUOTE]Um, no actually. I added that bit because it might have seemed a little strange that there would be a section on male beauty products in a women's magazine - Cosmo is a women's mag, is marketed as such and consumerised as such. Most men typically wouldn't buy a women's magazine hoping to find info on what products marketed at men there are for them to buy for their skin and hair. Doesn't mean men shouldn't (and don't) read them, but you shouldn't expect to find such info in them is all. And I don't read men's magazines so I can't comment on what's advertised in those. And also to head off the comments that it would be 'gay' men who read women's magazines, hence the wink smilie.

Frankly I think if men want to wear makeup they should. A lot of men could do with a bit of foundation for one; I'm sure women aren't the only ones who want to cover up blemishes, but because of the whole macho thing they don't.