.... who would win?

Hmmm... let´s see. *thinks very seriously*

With Bush giving military support to their dear neighbors, I suppose Canada would.

Where did you get this idea in the first place....?

[ 01-11-2003, 11:02 PM: Message edited by: NiceWorg ]

Ah, but Australia are allies with America too. Have been in every war the Americans have.

So let's leave allies out of this.

Who would win a war between Canada and Australia, in the unlikely occurence one broke out?

Right. But maybe The States would feel threatened if Aussies would take over the whole Canada.. hm. Makes sense..

But what do I know... [img]smile.gif[/img] Have we got military experts here? Haven´t got the faintest idea of their militaries, so I´ll pass this one. :/

[ 01-11-2003, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: NiceWorg ]

Australia of course! We would use our army of Kangaroos :D

Everything is dangerous in Australia. We have snakes, spiders, jellyfish, sharks etc. so we would just make an army out of of them :D

Muwhwhahwahah [img]graemlins/evillaughter1.gif[/img]

(Oh.. is this a serious topic :rolleyes: Well then probably Canada, as the US would probably back them up :( )

[ 01-11-2003, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: GokuZool ]

<font color='white'>Why does everyone think Bush would be oh so eager to back Cretein on this one? As far as I know Bush and Cretein arent particularly fond of each other, or at least Cretein isnt too fond of Bush.

Whereas the Aussie PM has done nothing but praise the US.

As for jsut the two of 'em...I dont know, maybe have to look into this.. </font>

I would think the answer is obvious. The rest of the world wins! [img]graemlins/laugh3.gif[/img]

Australia's hot weather, viscous dingos, and coral reefs vs. Canada's cold weather, viscous elks, and deadly waterfalls, hmmm.... I'll say a tie, a stalemate. [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D

AAAARGGGH! Did you not read!? I said let's leave America and other allies out of it. Of course America would win... ;) Whatever side they took. But that's not the hypothetical question posed!

[ 01-11-2003, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

Yes, come my Australian comrade, lets raise the aussie army and invade Canada [img]smile.gif[/img] :D

Aussie war experience: Galipoli, and the rest of that WWI Turkish thing...

Canada's : um... Some Wars with the british and indians resulting in more and more territory being handed over to the United States...

Aussie Arsenal: Boomerangs... sheep farms... Kangaroos... Koalas... Steeve Irwin and Crocodile Dundee... and lets just throw in Mel Gibson for flavor...

Canada's arsenal: Royal Canadian Mounted Police in easily-identifiable red coats, whatever they manage to squander across the border from the US... and a slew of Canadian celebrities...

Aussie Sports Enthusiasts: Soccer (football), Rugby (football)

Canadian Sports Enthusiasts: Ice Skating with sticks(Hockey), Ice skating with brooms (curling)

Aussie DJs that I like : Tiesto, Atari Teenage Riot, some members of VNV nation I think

Canadian DJs I like: ... i'll get back to you on that...

Cool movie filmed in Australia: The Matrix . . .

Cool movie filmed in Canada: Due South (which later beccame a TV series, episode 1 was 2 hours long and hence a movie in itself)

Meat Products Popularly Associated with Australia: Steaks from the Outback Steak House :D

Meat Products Popularly Associated with Canada: Canadian Bacon

Aussie Hello: G'day

Canadian Hello: Bon Juor (spelling on that one?)

More easily spelled hello word goes without contest to "G'day" [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Barren and lifeless Territories of Australia: The Outback

Barren and lifeless Territories of Canada: Everything above the north pole

Trademark Natural Landmarks of Australia: Ayers Rock (load that thing into a catapult and you've won the war)

Canadian Natural Landmark: Trees and Moose (these are what would innevitably be crushed by a flying ayers rock)

ALRIGHT and so the winner is:

>_> *rubs chin*

I'm not about to subject favoratism toward either country because I like them both and though all of the above stated facts are in the opinion of just some know-nothign American in Cuba anyway [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Hey Yorick what made you think of this anyway?

I suppose a lot would have to do with the kind of war that would be fought. The two countries are rather far away from each other so I think that naval type conflicts would definitely play a part. I do not know which country has a stronger navy; I do not even know if they both have a navy.

I would think that as far as the on land battles go, it would depend on which country did the invading. Even though we do not want to involve the U.S., they do occupy the entire southern border of Canada. There is also that part of Canada that touches Alaska, another U.S. territory. In the least the Australian army would need co-operation from the U.S.

On the other hand if the Canadians were able to land a sizable force on the Australian mainland the Australian army could be hard pressed. Lets face it a country completely surrounded by water is hard to defend. [img]graemlins/rambo.gif[/img]

Agreed. In WWII the Govt was prepared to concede much of the north. They had a line across the country that would be defended, but that was well below Darwin...

Re. the Navy, Australia has a good Navy - as you'd expect for an island continent. There's a lot of water to patrol.

Does Canada have a Navy?

Canada has 10 million more people though. We have 20 million, Canada has 30 million.

I was on a predominantly Muslim board and one guy asked who would win a war between Germany and Italy. So I thought of a really unusual pairing. Canada and Australia would have to be the least likely 2 nations to fight a war.... but then again, what were Australians doing invading Turkey?

Both full of crazys eh Wendy?

If they do not this would be a very short war. With no way to deliver troops to the Australian front and no way to defend their ocean border, the Canadians would fall.

Is the population of a country usually a factor in the out come of a war? Are you saying that Canada has a better chance because it has a bigger population?

Would they really declare war on us - sheesh, just because we don't let them win swimming gold medals at the Commonwealth games any more - is that any good reason to throw a major wobbly :D .

~*~*~NEWSFLASH~*~*~
England has just began an attempt to invade Australia for the sole purpose of eliminating the Australian Cricket Team.

Yorick was this a serious question? Ahh well here goes anyway:
Your right about canada being unable to transport troops and equipment from what i can tell - i cant see that they have any transport ships. I dont agree with the other half though - canada has more frigates/destroyers than australia. But whos doing the attacking anyway? Who every is is at big disadvantage because they must travel half way around the world - long way from supplies etc. Where would be the stagging area be for the attacking side etc? If the australians were attacking and its was a suprise attack - they would only be engaging half the canadian fleet (half is in the pacfic and the other in the Atlantic). The canadians would be unable to use their superior frigate/destroyer numbers. Australia has only one more sub than canada does possibly 2 by now (one is/was being out fitted) so their almost matched there. Assuming no out side intervention australia would probably win the battle of the sea in the pacific in this case. Making an assault on land could be alot tougher (no idea on army size). Australia would probably sail into the nearest sea side city (vancouver etc) and precede to shell/missile/bomb air bases/army barracks. Assuming australia quickly won the navel battle they probably wouldnt have had long to prepare, so those cities would fall quite quickly. From there australia could use those cities air bases to lauch bombing raids on other nearby cities. And begin safely landing troops and equipment. Any supplies from the city could by also used against them in further attacks. Canada would now be cut off from the asia-pacific region and thus will no longer be able to get supplies from there directly. Without knowing army strength who knows what from there. On allies: America probably wouldnt support either side, but that might depend on who they consider a more important ally. What england whould do i have no idea as both contries are part of the commonwealth. I cant see any other contries that could possibly get involved.

One would assume the larger the population the larger the armed forces. In terms of the navy this isnt totally true in this case though. I have no idea about air force/army, i couldnt find any sites with that kind of info. Any one know of any?

Canada Sources for navy: http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/mspa_fl...eet_home_e.asp
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/americas/canada.htm

Australia Sources for navy: http://www.navy.gov.au/fleet/fleetmain.html
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/asiapac/austral.htm

What we were doing was sending troops to help out mother england when she invaded turkey. Why England invaded Turkey is a whole other question, the answer to which I have no idea. But I agree, Australia and Canada are about as likely to start a war between each other as Israel is to end one with any of it's neighbours (baring a win to either side).

As for the actual question being asked: it's easy. neither country has an offensively based military, so whoever invaded would get their ass handed to them (and the home side always has the advantage anyway). Both Australias and Canadas military are capable only of defending their own homeland (and what else do you really need unless you want to be boss of the world like america), and sending a few troops off every now and then so the USA can say their military campaigns are actually United Nations type events.

ps. anyone invading australia would have a b^$%^ of a time. The thing in WW2 when the japs were coming south was, our army drew inland, meaning the japanese were free to land, and god help them from the wildlife if they did, lol. The environment here is our biggest weapon

Actually we have 31 million inhabitants. [img]tongue.gif[/img] A war between Canada and Australia? Let´s see... Any Australian invasion force would freeze to death up here and any Canadian invasion force would die from heat stroke in Australisa. Smells like a stale mate to me. :D

G'day
(Guess wich side that greeting puts me on?)
Australia would invade canada if someone told them to. we don't start wars just provide cannon fodder. And without a doubt we would kick them wannabee frogees all over the show...... UNTILL the world cup of whatever came on tv and we would surrender so has to get home in time to watch AUSTRALIA conquer the world.
over a cold beer.

:D :D :D

But this begs the question as to why does US popular culture (films) never show Australia helping out in Vietnam? or do they get taught it was the US on their own at school over there?

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Australian sport world domination by 2010 offical member

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lol
can I join ?

ps what world cup were you talking about ? cricket, rugby, football (round ball) ? the first 2 we own, last one... well there's no need to mention that now is there?

You are forgetting about NATO. If Australia attacks Canada not only the U.S. but all its members MUST defend them. This means 19 countries including US, UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain and yes, Turkey (seeking revenge) against Australia, its 20 millions of inhabitants, its army of kangaroos and its professional sports.

lol
can I join ?

ps what world cup were you talking about ? cricket, rugby, football (round ball) ? the first 2 we own, last one... well there's no need to mention that now is there?</font>[/QUOTE]Yes you Can! each new member has to mention a sport we are the best in, starting with "the world womens surf champion X5"

LMAO! [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img] That's a nice serious answer there :D

Rhetorical question. Our, [ahem] 'titular' ruler would sail across and spank both our asses and send us to bed without milk and cookies. Failing that, she would arrange for half the British budget to be allocated for the national cricket team and give the rest to Canada to fund a strike team to regain that urn when the first plan innevitably fails.

A flying Ayers Rock would look pretty cool though. And just think, we would've already established tourist revenue in captured territory! [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

[Edit: Oh, Davros. 'Constitutional' looks much better in print than [suppresses juvenile snigger] 'titular'.]

[ 01-12-2003, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: Sever ]

Deathkiller, i don't know where you gather your information, but whereever it's from, throw it away. Tiesto is NOT from Australia, he's from Holland, Breda to be exact.

Well put!
I'll answer the question for you, Australia! Duh!!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Historical note: In WWII, the Canucks had some really tough fighting in the ETO. They had their own beach at Normandy, and in the post-D-Day fighting, had to face one of the toughest (and cruellest) forces in the German forces (almost typed Wehrmacht, but of course they were not in it) the SS Hitler Youth Division. The Aussies were very active in Africa and in the naval war. As for a war between them, it's really tough to fight a war with a nation that you do not share a common border with, without allies... [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

It would probably de-generate into a drinking contest and after a while I doubt either side would remember why we where at war.
I do feel it necessary to comment on a few other posts.

Yes Canada does have a navy. Currently we have 2 diesel powered WWII subs, three tugboats, a freighter and a few fishing traulers off of the coast of Newfoundland.
There are many box office movies filmed here in BC.
Bush and Chretien don't get along overly well, I'm guessing it has something to do with Chretien's aide, Francoise Ducros, calling Bush a moron. I think it was one of those "Did I just say that out loud?" scenarios.
Yes, Australia may have Paul Hogan and Mel Gibson, but we have Wayne Gretzky and Patrick Roy!
I think in the end, we just end of giving Quebec to Australia as a peace offerring. It's not like we need it for anything :D

<font color="#ffccff">Who has a laeger population to pull form? Canada is only roughly 30 million people (4 or 5 large US cities worth). What is Ausielands population? Their tech levels are about the same, so It should come down to a battle of attrition [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

Actually we have 31 million inhabitants. [img]tongue.gif[/img] A war between Canada and Australia? Let´s see... Any Australian invasion force would freeze to death up here and any Canadian invasion force would die from heat stroke in Australisa. Smells like a stale mate to me. :D </font>[/QUOTE]Well, Willow, we could always send some of the snow and ice down to Austrailia and flood the place! :D

Country vs. Continent/Country....Hmmmm Lenny Loosejocks and Donga(go to shockwave.com and find Lenny LooseJocks.It's a game) would kick Canadian BUTT! And then Canada would pick up the Niagra falls and take it over to Austraila and turn it on high and flood them and then the world explode inside its snowglobe we call life....That did'nt make since did it?

[ 01-12-2003, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: SomeGuy ]

one on one if Canada & Australia went to war against each other.
Australia would waist them, all the Aussies would need to win is a couple of their football teams with each man carrying a club in each hand. Start the Aussies on the Alantic coast and head them west womping everything is sight.
Ten days later Canada would be called Australia North and the U.S.A. would say nice move Brothers!!!!
and off subject I finally made it to Elminister statis with over 400 posts. Yeah I know BIG DEAL only 400 posts in 8 years of coming here but whos counting.

[ 01-12-2003, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: TheCrimsomBlade ]

There's one thing everyone here seems to forget.... Mack's killer beaver. I feel sorry for every Aussie intruder that comes near him. :D

Yes, Canada only has two WW2 diesel subs - but the West Edmonton Mall has three more we can reinforce with! :D

Australian subs wouldn't stand a chance - our flyers are famous for their prowess at anti-submarine work, routinely embarrassing the better equipped US forces in excercises.

As for troops, both the Canadian and Australian contingents are very professional volunteer troops with the Australians holding the edge with more modern weaponry. (Chretien still hasn't realized how nonsensical it is to underfund the military and give our American neighbours "the finger" year after year) I'm not sure of numbers, but we have VERY FEW combat ready troops, not enough to even fulfill our NATO commitments. I think the total force (including logisitics and operational resources) is around 60,000 or so.

Our Mounted Moose division would make short work of the Kangaroo Commandos (Ever seen a moose after it hit an eighteen wheel truck? It just shakes it's head and walks away from the demolished vehicle!)

Rabid Beavers are nothing to laugh at, either...

[ 01-12-2003, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Sir Krustin ]

What we were doing was sending troops to help out mother england when she invaded turkey. Why England invaded Turkey is a whole other question, the answer to which I have no idea. </font>[/QUOTE]AFAIK they were trying to get control of the Dardanelles and therefore control the shipping lines to/from the black sea.

Tsk tsk Magik. ;) That's already been answered in two posts brother. :D