'Lijstrekkersdebat' on 2 will start at 18:20. Don't miss it.

*Runs off looking for his Go Left!shirt.

I'm sorry, but at that time i'll be watching a rerun from the Timberwolves-Rockets game, i find that a tad more interresting than listening to the same crap i heard only a few months ago. Oh, and i hope your "go left" shirt shrunk in the washingmachine. :D

Well, seeing as almost all "politicians" spouting that crap have been thankfully removed from the scene, I don't think you should worry about it. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I don't mean just the LPF, i mean ALL of them. What could actually have changed since the last elections ? I don't expect CDA will have a completely new program, so i can't be bothered this time.

Well.. at least Lijst Ratelband is down to 0 seats, and LFP back to 5... we're making progress...

Politics *yawns*......*passes out* [img]graemlins/sleeping.gif[/img]

Ah, I *knew* I forgot something... Should have programmed my VCR.

You missed quite alot Groj. It was really funny. Halsema completly took out Zalm. Which was about the only victory for left. Marijnissen couldn't compete with Herbens numbers, and Bos kind of went down againt Balkenende...

There're no apostrophes in plurals. When will people learn ;) [img]tongue.gif[/img]

tnx for the update velk [img]smile.gif[/img]

We ? Who is "we" ?

Ok.. what is your opinion on Lijst Ratelband and the LPF then, Johnny?

Lijst Ratelband is something we'd better not discuss. :D The entire country knows that guy as the "tjakka man", how can we ever take him serious ? And Herben is the only person in the LPF that makes sense to me, the rest is a circus. people like Nawijn and De Jong would make great soap stars. :D

we would be everybody in the netherlands
not just left wing people

why?
well you cant possibly take ratelband seriously
thats one
and LPF should calm down
a new party shouldnt start with over 20 zetels
i dont like the ideas od LPF but i do they should keep exsiting

It's okay if a new party starts with 20+ zetels, as long as the people who actually going to sit in them don't act like a bunch of drunk hooligans.

Lijst Ratelband is something we'd better not discuss. :D The entire country knows that guy as the "tjakka man", how can we ever take him serious ? And Herben is the only person in the LPF that makes sense to me, the rest is a circus. people like Nawijn and De Jong would make great soap stars. :D </font>[/QUOTE]Luckily, De Jong (Miss; 'I am the legacy of Pim Fortuyn') is no longer a member of the LPF and is currently working on her own party (*sigh, not another one). They should have sacked that Nawijn fellow a long time ago..
I can't say I like Herben, but at least he does a better job then the others upholdings Pims legacy. (well, except that bit with the Joined Strike Fighter)

Edit; Typo

[ 01-09-2003, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: Dreamer128 ]

And bringing that up... are you against the JSF ?

I'm not a militairy specialist. But to me, it seems like a waste to spend all those billions( on Jets we have no real need of while there are more urgent problems.
Most policitians agree that Terrorism is the main enemy in this era, and since when can we use Fighter planes to stop suicide bombers.
Unless you want to take the fight to the 'terrorist states', which isn't really our job.
But like I said earlier, I'm no specialist. If the top guys in The Hague agree that joining the JSF project is profitable, they'll get no argument from me.

You seem to forget one tiny issue. We are part of NATO, part of peacekeeping forces around the globe. If you don't have a healthy airforce, you can forget about that part. And if you want a healthy airforce, what better planes can you fly than American planes ? We've been using them for almost 50 years now, and i think it's good they continue to use them, instead of using the Eurofighter, or some French or Swedish type. Also, a countries first line of defense is the airforce, therefore you can't invest enough money in it. We may live in peace now, but that might not always be the case.

Bah, with the cowardly policy of our goverment we rarely see 'any' combat. The few times we deploy fighters in a combat zone, it usually is to take pictures of enemy camps. Of course we need a good airforce.. of course we shouldn't neglect our international duty's... and of course every child is entitled to proper education, every citizen to good healthcare and a descent job. And lets not forget safety, how about those thousands of extra police officers? Unfortunatly, we don't have money for everything. So we'll have to make certain choices...

For the record, you can review the debate on; http://verkiezingen.2vandaag.nl/

nothing wrong with the old reliable F16 imho
we can spend that money much and much better

Do you REALLY want more "blue" in the streets ? Every time you see them coming it's gonna cost you money. That's all they do, give people tickets, they're good at finding reasons to take people's money. Commanders of policeforces throughout the country will have their wages lowered if their officers don't bring in a certain amount of money by the end of 2003, what kind of policy is that ? They'll be motivated like madmen, you can believe that. I don't want more blue in the streets, i just want the blue we already have, to get their asses off the A2, stop bothering the forensic people, and do some real policework, maybe then they'll regain the people's respect. Remember those stickers we used to have ? "de politie is je beste vriend".... well, who needs enemies with friends like that eh ?

Oh come on dude, the F16 is over and done with, you don't wanna discuss this with fighterpilots.

'I' would prefer to have the intire police force reorganised. In Germany, the same number of cops solve 50% of all crimes, down here its more like 15%. Financing more and more officers, as well as wasting money on insane VVD projects (I.d plicht, anyone?) is the dumbest thing we can do.
But apparently, the mayority of voters doesn't agree with me..

True
And whats the use of more police with the prisons are filled with bolletjesslikkers who only are abour 3% of the heroine smuggle towards the netherlands? It's about time we set priorities and time we let people know and feel that you can get punished for theft aswell

Yeah.. the real criminals are being released because the 'bolletjesslikkers' (who are seldom real criminals) are taken up too much space...

How long do they keep them here then ? ( de bolletjesslikkers i mean)

I think we should stop wasting time on Bolletjesslikkers(they only acount for 3% of the smuggled drugs) altogether. We should go after the bigger drug lords.
And about the guys we do catch, just put them on a plane to whatever country they came from (unless they're Dutch of course).

That's the problem, they're either from Curacao or Aruba, still part of our kingdom. They can come and go whenever they please.

to long appearently

if you look at the prison of say haarlem you;d see that they really do have to release real criminals to make place for bolletjesslikkers

Rikard is right. Its insane that the goverment seems to waste resources on the minor problems that dominate the media, rather then adressing the real issues...

to long appearently

if you look at the prison of say haarlem you;d see that they really do have to release real criminals to make place for bolletjesslikkers</font>[/QUOTE]Hm... i didn't know that, that's not right imo. Why can't they just send them back. I know they're probably on the next plane to Holland again, but then they just have to catch them again, and again, and again.....

to long appearently

if you look at the prison of say haarlem you;d see that they really do have to release real criminals to make place for bolletjesslikkers</font>[/QUOTE]Hm... i didn't know that, that's not right imo. Why can't they just send them back. I know they're probably on the next plane to Holland again, but then they just have to catch them again, and again, and again.....</font>[/QUOTE]well it IS only 3%
we should focus on catching ship cargo's in the rotterdam harbor
There are ships coming to rotterdam which carry more drugs then all those bolletjesslikkers can smuggle in a year
they just use them as a diversion

Maybe there's too much money involved, and it's better to close an eye on those ships ? After all, didn't they allow large shipments of coke into the country, to get to the big fish ? They must be fast swimmers, cause they never catch any. :D

Yeah! Found the actual debate! Its in mediaplayer..
http://verkiezingen.2vandaag.nl/PHP/...8&end=01:19:58

This is brilliant;

Halsema tegen Zalm: En laat me nu maar eens iets zeggen. De afgelopen jaren, sinds het stijgen van de criminaliteit, is de VVD aan het bewind geweest... En iedereen heeft het altijd gedaan, het zijn altijd de anderen.. maar het waren wel VVD ministers, jaar in jaar out, die er geld in hebben gepompt en het niet kunnen verantwoorden! De criminaliteit stijgt, en de opsporingspercentages dalen!
En dan kan u wel weer slinks zijn, maar ik geloof er niet meer in. --Zalm probeert iets te zeggen--
Halsema: Ik wil dat er in jongeren geinvesteerd word vóórdat ze de criminaliteit ingaan!
U moet eens verantwoordelijkheid nemen! Want ik hoor u zeggen; "het intergratiebeleid deugt niet, het asielbeleid deugt niet, het veiligheidbeleid deugt niet.."
Zalm: Nee..ik...
Halsema: Ik ga naar 22 jaar VVD regering, wel zeggen; deugen de VVD ministers wel? Deugt de VVD wel?
Zalm: Nee...dat.. --gaat af als een gieter--



[ 01-09-2003, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Dreamer128 ]

Yeah, that was very well rehearsed, but Halsema won't go far. She's cute, but very naive. Did you also hear what she had to say about Iraq ?