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Ziroc 12-29-2002 11:45 PM

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI said Sunday it wants the public's help in finding five men who may have entered the United States illegally within the past week.

The FBI said the names were gathered in ongoing investigations, but said it had no specific information the men were connected to terrorist activities. A caption accompanying photos of the men on the FBI's Web site reads: "War on Terrorism."

The FBI identified the five men as Abid Noraiz Ali, 25; Iftikhar Khozmai Ali, 21; Mustafa Khan Owasi, 33; Adil Pervez, 19; Akbar Jamal, 28.

Sources said that if the men are in the United States, authorities want to know why and to question them for additional leads in the investigation of the al Qaeda terrorist network.

Although the names appear to be Pakistani, officials said they do not know for sure where the men are from, and the FBI said the names and ages may be fictitious.

"The FBI is after these guys because they know something or they are trying to scare them," said Paul Bremer, a member of President Bush's Homeland Security Advisory Council and ambassador at large for counterterrorism in the Reagan administration.

"They [might have] lost track. [They] can be trying to disrupt an operation. [They] could have a number of purposes at once," said Bremer, who heads Marsh Crisis Consulting, a global firm specializing in risk management.

The men may have entered the United States from Canada on or around December 24, the FBI said. Sources said a good chance exists the men had already entered the country by the time the information on them was developed in the past week.

The men were not being tracked, the sources said, and authorities do not know whether they might have crossed the 4,000-mile-long border together or separately.

The FBI said it has been working with homeland security agencies -- including the Customs Service, the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Transportation Security Administration -- to locate the men.

The FBI has also given information about the men, including their pictures, to 18,000 local and state law enforcement agencies.

Anyone with any information about the group is asked to contact their nearest FBI office. Photographs of the individuals can be found on the FBI's Web site at www.fbi.gov.

Sever 12-30-2002 05:17 AM

New years atmosphere just went down a notch or two. Worrying. :(

johnny 12-30-2002 07:17 AM

Which mastermind is thinking their names are Pakistani ? Cause that certainly is NOT the case, and their pictures tell something different too.

Jorath Calar 12-30-2002 07:20 AM

Looks like it will be the Revenge of the Nerds 6...

Sir Krustin 12-30-2002 07:21 AM

Jamal certainly sounds Pakistani or East Indian.

9_1_6 12-30-2002 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jorath Calar:
Looks like it will be the Revenge of the Nerds 6...
LoL..?!? What?

johnny 12-30-2002 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Krustin:
Jamal certainly sounds Pakistani or East Indian.
Jamal is a common name in EVERY Arab country. It's a muslim name, not a Pakistani name.

Luvian 12-30-2002 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jorath Calar:
Looks like it will be the Revenge of the Nerds 6...
I was also thinking they look a lot like nerds...

I hate it when criminals cross the Canada/USA border illegaly. It's bad for our country's mutual relationship. But the border is so big, it's impossible to watch it all...

johnny 12-30-2002 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luvian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jorath Calar:
Looks like it will be the Revenge of the Nerds 6...

I was also thinking they look a lot like nerds...

I hate it when criminals cross the Canada/USA border illegaly. It's bad for our country's mutual relationship. But the border is so big, it's impossible to watch it all...
</font>[/QUOTE]The guys from the sept 11 attack also looked like nerds in their pictures, and we all know how that ended.

The Hunter of Jahanna 12-30-2002 09:33 AM

Good to see the government drop the ball again!! How can they have their pictures, know that they crossed the border,think that they might be terrorists and NOT keep a friggin eye on them??? I also have a problem with the hazy way the article describes the men in question. It says that even though they have NO PROOF OF ANYTHING, the men are still wanted for questioning. With standards like that they could haul in Choc on suspicion of terrorism. Either you are a terrorist or you arent, period. The way they are painting everyone who enters the countrie with an Arab name as a "terrorist" is the same as when Hitler painted all the Jews as evil. I guess all we can do is wait till they come around with our gold stars and pink triangles.

Sir Kenyth 12-30-2002 10:03 AM

Might want to sticky this thread to the top of the posts. Just a suggestion.

MagiK 12-30-2002 10:12 AM

<font color="#ffccff">Hunter....just how many men do you think the FBI and INS have anyway? There aren't enough agents in all the world to keep track of every person of "interest" Give them a break....or increase their funding....even then you can't watch everyone all the time, no matter what the Militia types in this country say. </font>

The Hunter of Jahanna 12-30-2002 12:18 PM

Magik, I am not saying that they should watch everyone every second of the day , but if you find what your looking for you shouldnt lose sight of the target. Since they knew when they arrived,where they arrived to and who they were looking for ,it seems like a rather simple task to keep track of them.

dark soul 12-30-2002 12:27 PM

i hope they arent terrorist......but if they r what r they gonna do.....they already kinda messed up the pentagon.....the trade center in NY is trashed.... they better not destroy the satue of liberty......if they do destroy the main item that represent the US.....we goin to have WW3

johnny 12-30-2002 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by dark soul:
i hope they arent terrorist......but if they r what r they gonna do.....they already kinda messed up the pentagon.....the trade center in NY is trashed.... they better not destroy the satue of liberty......if they do destroy the main item that represent the US.....we goin to have WW3
But WHO will you be fighting ? You have an enemy with no name, no face, no identity.... good luck with your war.

Borvik 12-30-2002 12:32 PM

When there's WW3 because somebody destroys the statue of liberty, then I guess we deserve it...

[ 12-30-2002, 12:32 PM: Message edited by: Borvik ]

The Hunter of Jahanna 12-30-2002 12:36 PM

Quote:

But WHO will you be fighting ? You have an enemy with no name, no face, no identity.... good luck with your war.
That is pure genius , Johnny!! Now if we can just get the rest of the world to see the logic in it.

dark soul 12-30-2002 12:52 PM

ur rite johnny.....who r we gonna blame......im still just a kid....one voice is not gonna tell everyone what u just said.....President Bush will blame it on someone.....hes not the brightess person around....and we already know what he will say........he will just blame it on the Al Queda.....almost everyone will listen to him that lives in the US cause after all the statue of liberty is what our ancestor camed to the US for.....

Cerek the Barbaric 12-30-2002 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hunter of Jahanna:
Magik, I am not saying that they should watch everyone every second of the day , but if you find what your looking for you shouldnt lose sight of the target. Since they knew when they arrived,where they arrived to and who they were looking for ,it seems like a rather simple task to keep track of them.
<font color=plum><font color=red>Hunter</font> - The article also said that the gov't acknowledged that these men could have already entered the U.S. by the time they got this information. It isn't like these pictures were snapshots taken as they came across the border.

They are saying that their sources indicate these guys are already in the country and have suspected ties to Al Queda.

I agree that some of the statements from the Homeland Security Force are.....disturbing (at best). However, when they say "they aren't wanted for any known terrorist activity" {paraphrased}, I think that is more an attempt to calm the public's fear rather than the gov't saying "HEY, another A-rab just came into the country. Let's track this joker down and rough him up some to see if he can tell us anything about his buddies in the Al Queada".

If the gov't wants them for questioning, I would assume they have more to back up their desires than just the fact that their Arabs.</font>

SomeGuy 12-30-2002 03:02 PM

One of those dudes looks like one of my relatives,but he is not one of these dudes.

Ronn_Bman 12-30-2002 07:24 PM

The information about these individuals, their suspicious nature, and their crossing into the US was provided by the Canadian government after the fact. Obviously, it's not every Muslim or Middle Easterner who crosses the border who's in question, but the Canadian government had reason to alert the US about these specific individuals, and based on that information they are now being sought for questioning.

The point made about the origin and ethnic mix of their names was that it appeared they are false. Kind of like a suspicious American traveling under the name John Doe or John Smith. Certainly people have those names, but they appear "overly" generic for a suspicious individual, and even more so for a suspicious group with generic names. ;)

[ 12-30-2002, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]


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