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Pff Toney Blair Playing Army Men --------------------------------- [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] Tony Blair has done nothing he promised but bum president bush all year, he promised better education, better school equipment and loads of other stuff, and yet all he seems to be bothered is war on terror, i say its Americas Problem, he has put us all in danger, because of what he did, Bin Laden has threatened to Terrorise England now. Sure i feel really bad about what happened on September the 11th, but now we are involved and all our lives are at risk thanks to blair and his big noble thoughts. I say if he loves bush so much he should just go live with him over there, because in my opinion England dont need him! This is my opinion and i feel strongly about it... Many others do. He sure aint got my vote next election, in my opinion he is a liar, he cant keep his promises, and hes probably as mad as Bin Laden, wanting to start wars on Afganistan and even IRAQ now!!! What is he thinking, is he trying to doom us all, pretty soon we will have all asia hating america and england. I for one am not happy about this situation. I belive that we should leave Americas problems to Amberica. It has nothing to do with England and Tony blair has no right to go poking his |
Purely for the sake of clarification...England, and all of the rest of Europe was already in bin Laden/Al Queda's sights. They have been for years. You folks over there are just as much 'The Great Satan' as we are.
And, this is just the opinion of one American, I think Tony has done a fine job. Again...just my opinion. |
Thanks for replying, I like americans, i like the english, but Tony Blair is not even popular in England, You should see some of the TV shows he allos to go on TV, its verry offensive to loads of famous people (including President Bush, Even him self) Its called 2D TV.
I really dont like Tony Blair, again this is just my opinion. I still think that he is a jerk... |
As an American, I thank you for your support - NOT. Look, don't know if you realized it, but cafe bombs and wacko extremist shootings were much more a European problem than an American one until the very recent past.
And, oh, aren't you glad America didn't take this attitude in the 1940's? Hell, London was pretty much bombed into the ground *with* our help. Without it, that little channel between you and Continental Europe would now be named something with many more consonants in it, I'm sure. ;) |
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Although, TBH, I watch several british comedies on a weekly basis, and by and large, they are pretty damn funny. Actual, intellectual humor, as opposed to the belch, fart, and 'pube' jokes that you mostly see on American TV lately. [img]smile.gif[/img] EDIT...Oh, and since I noticed that you just recently joined the forum...WELCOME TO IW!!!!!!!!!!!! Head on over to Cloudy's Cafe to be officially welcomed, if you haven't already. [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 11-26-2002, 03:45 PM: Message edited by: Nachtrafe ] |
No i dont think so, i think that England are capable of beating anyone in a wark, records state we have lost lost only 1 war in the last 1000 years, go check if you want. My status is correct.
I am proud to be English, as any Englishman is, and ill fight any war for my country and beat it. I know England would have won, even with out Americas help. Old sources state that people in America use to be English too. Enland saild over there in 1400's and started to build a civilization there. Really America belongs to the Natives, and really most Americans have English blood in them. I know this being a Historian, and recently doing work on it. It was around the time of Christiphor Columbos, and Queen Elizibeth. (correct me if im wrong, but i dont think America goes that far back) |
Well I really believe that terrorism is every ones problem. Living in Canada and having these so called cells settting up base on my home town turf is not a option for me.
Even if Tony Blair did not join up with Mr Bush how long do you think it would take for terror to hit your country. It would happen sooner or later so why not take the threat out now while you can. Besides being apart of NATO do you not feel that your counrty needs to help out. At least if you help out the next time there is trouble you can ask for help. Sitting back and doing nothing will get you no help whenyou need it most. Sometimes you need to give a little before you get a little in return. I know that I am not going to change your mind I am just giving some other things to think about. You have a right to believe what you want that is your right. I just have a different view. I wish we all could get along in this world but we can not so something needs to be done to keep the peace. If some one did not help keep the balance where do you think we would be right now. Just look at all the past history. Do not forget the US has done alot of good things in the world as well. Every one just looks at the bad. That seems to be human nature. Enough babling for me. Just my [img]graemlins/twocents.gif[/img] |
Thanks for welcoming me Nachtrafe, im having a great time, most people here at IW are really cool, and i love American Comedies, like the Fresh prince, or the Simpsons.
I like america and england, i just dont believe in whats going on at the moment, i can forsee world war 3 starting out soon, America, England, Iraq, Afganistan, etc) |
I understand what you mean Mack, i want peace too, but doesnt it sound a bit stupid starting a war to make peace? (war on terrorism) for world peace?
Mmm... Ill have to think this one through... |
I can't speak to what Mr Blair promised vs did/did not do. But I can say he was one of the very few that realized terrorism is NOT our (USA) problem. It is everyone's problem. If you aren't muslim, you don't treat your women as property and don't want to kill everyone else, then you ARE one of those everyone else. The USA happens to be the biggest, most visible target, but we ain't the only ones, pal. Did you want to wait until some terror group flies a plane into Big-Ben, or would you like to stop that BEFORE it happens? Hmmm. Stopping the terror, participating in the war ON terror (all of them, including IRAQ, TYVM) is a way Blair is protecting people of the UK. It's an elected office, right? If you can do better, run for office and prove it.
Oh, and pull a crapload of extra cash out of your butt to fix all the problems that Blair has not. I'm not flaming you (much) but things are not as easy as you put them, methinks. |
Gilgamesh, you're fooling yourself if you think that you were not already a target of the terrorists. Let's see, they've arrested some of these thugs in Germany, France, Italy, and Spain planning attacks on American embassies. Now we have the arrests of more of them in the UK planning a chemical attack on the London subway. And I'd be willing to bet that they were planning the gas attack before 9-11-01.
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Im scared of a war... I dont care about my self, but i dont want my friends and family to die... Its a scary thought...
Im going to have to be on the battle field, i will maybe even have to kill someone, and i couldnt live with my self if that was the case, but its like kill or die out there... I want peace just as much as you guys, but i defenitly dont want a war :( :( :( War is definetly a NO NO in my opinion... Well if you want war on terror, ill see you on the battle field some day maybe... |
How would you make peace with this scum? Would you bend forward and let them have their way? Or would you fight back? Or maybe you're one of those people who think that good intentions will solve everything.
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I guess your right, i just dont want it to end this way, i dont want war, or to die, i want to settle down with a wife and kids some day, i want a happy future for my future kids and family... Yet again, i dont care about what happens to me, but i couldnt bare to see my friends or family in a unspeakable pain... The pain of having limbs broken off, mustard bombs, decaying at you skin, being set on fire by flame throwers, need i go on ? Its not a pretty site, and no good comes out of war! Doesnt anyone see it in my point of view? |
I don't want it either, Gilgamesh. I hear where you're coming from.
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I dont let people walk over me, i do intend to fight back, theres just gotta be another way besides war. Think of all the inocent people that will die, or innocent people, kind caring people, who may have 1 evil family member who dies, they will be very upset, its not fair on them, their fammilies will eventualy die, and a lot of iraq and Afganistan have very nice people, its just some of these rebelion groups.
Sadly the countries and civilizations of iraq and afganistan are being in with all this terrorism. I feel sorry for what they are going through, and what they will soon go through.... |
Gilgamesh, I think you mistook what was hyperbole (see: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hyperbole ) on my part for an assertion of fact. My point was one regarding the importance of allies and solidarity. You didn't address my point that you guys on that side of the pond actually *have* been plagued by terrorism longer than we have.
I certainly didn't want to dredge up the Revolutionary War, the plight of the American Indians, or your inability to spell Christopher Columbus. :D (just kidding, mate) [ 11-26-2002, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ] |
None of us WANT war. Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Hussein beaten again, and better. But it's an unfortunate necessity. You say you want to prevent your friends and family from being hurt. I think the only way to do this is to stop these bastards before they start and they won't get a chance to hurt those you care about. It's called a "war on terror," but it isn't in the traditional sense. There is no reasoning with these fanatics. We need to ferret them out, remove them from power, kill them if that's what it takes, and let the majority of more reasonable muslim people take over and govern in their stead.
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Thanks Sazerac, its good to hear im not the only one who doesnt want war, what a horrible Era we are about to encounter...
Many lives will be lost soon, i know it, Many.... The future is dark, very dark, and its all thanks to individuals, not countries, individuals.... Why go to war with the countriess... Its the terrorists we want, just cause they come from that country, doesnt make it the countries fault! |
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Wasn't it the Muslim leader of Algeria who was recently killed by an Al-Queta cell because he wasn't fundamental enough? Al-Queta didn't get along well with the Iranian government on anything other than the hate American ideal either. Radicals like Osama claim it's the world against Muslims everywhere, but it isn't. It's the radicals of any race or religion against everyone else. [ 11-26-2002, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ] |
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BTW talking or diplomacy is the best to accomplish things useully, It what they want, for you to strike out with violence. Ask yourself... Why do they attack us? Because of Israel, Beaucase of Saudi, Because of a thousand and one sins our governments have committed on our behalf Yes they do wrong by attacking us, but the Governments of the west have done the greatest wrong. It is their fault in the end, and as always the innocent everyday people pay the price. |
That's what I said, Bman...if you aren't muslim AND act like that, then you are "other." Even peacable, moderate muslims are the enemy to these freaks. Like they "sold out" to us.
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Im obviously alone in this debait, (im here, eating my cheese) and just thinking of england and america in 30 years time, rubble, population gone down drematicaly... this is my view, im afraid i will have to stick to it... |
This isnt war on terror,
This is a difference of opinion (in religion) people take religion to seriously, if it says to love and care in your religion, then why do they fight over whos is the best one? |
Who the heck is going to reduce England and US to rubble and wipe out our populations? It's never going to be that bad. Thankfully, we're going to stop it before it can. We never declared war on Afghanistan, just the Al-Queda in power, we removed them and are now helping the innocents rebuild to better than before. We are removing the oppression that was there. It would never have happened peacefully.
Eisen, diplomacy only works when demands are reasonable. These people want us ALL TO DIE. How do you reach a compromise? Bin-Laden: We want you all dead USA: We want no one dead, not even you, but we will if we have to Laden: ALL USA: how about 50%? We'll kill 1/2 our people, then we will have met in the middle. Is that the plan? |
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BTW talking or diplomacy is the best to accomplish things useully, It what they want, for you to strike out with violence. Ask yourself... Why do they attack us? Because of Israel, Beaucase of Saudi, Because of a thousand and one sins our governments have committed on our behalf Yes they do wrong by attacking us, but the Governments of the west have done the greatest wrong. It is their fault in the end, and as always the innocent everyday people pay the price.</font>[/QUOTE]There is no "Blame" or "fault" in this F'd up situation. It is too complex to try and wade through. The bottom line is, there are a small bunch of people trying to dictate and force their views on the rest of the world through the use of indescriminate violence. Everyone has a cross-hairs on their chest unless you fit the above description. |
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I think the point most here are making is that something has to be done. Your apocalyptic future is a certainty if nothing is done and the radicals are allowed to continue unchecked. ;) realblinky, your assessment of normal Muslims having sold out, according to the radicals, is right on. ;) EDIT - I see you have company now! Eisen's in the house, hi E. [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 11-26-2002, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ] |
Yes but realize the situation, THIS IS WAR!
You saw england, germany, france in world war1 and 2, believe me it aint pretty, the last war my grandad has lost 2 arms, 2 legs, 1 eye, and the ability to talk... He suffers from shell shock, he is 79 now, and he was the lucky one, because he survived, he has told me many sickening stories about war, i really dont want this, look at pictures on the internet of war and its devistation... |
THIS IS THE IMPACT OF WAR:
http://www.worldwar2-pictures.com/Th...ofBritain.html OR MAYBE YOU WANT SOMTHING A LITTLE LOCAL FOR ALL YOU AMERICANS? http://www.worldwar2-pictures.com/Th...ofBritain.html THIS IS REALITY, THIS ISNT A GAME WHERE YOU CAN COME BACK TO LIFE WHEN YOU HAVE DIED, THIS IS THE TRUTH. LIVE IT, REALIZE IT... I am going to prepair for this war... I have already been shot once, when i was on holiday in New york... It happens so quick at first, that you dont feel it, give it time and it hurts like hell! |
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Actually, none of us here are advocating the War on Terror without realizing the horror that war is. No one is looking at this as a glorious adventure without a thought for the consequences.
I've never been shot, but I've seen people that have been, and I've seen pics of the horrors of war from every decade of the last century. I've also seen pics of Ground Zero in New York, where people from the nations of many countries were killed. The English were attacked on September 11th as surely as Americans were, and as surely as everyone else in the civilized world was attacked. |
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And how are the terrorists going to bomb London? With missiles? With their super secret air force? No, it'll be by some idiot and a couple pounds of explosives. Whereas WE can carry the war to them with the full force of some of the most destructive weapons known to man.
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Umm just for clarification: You seem to be indicating that all on his own Tony Blair has taken over the country. I don't suppose any of the Military experts, or any of the UK intelligence experts or any of the UK foreign relations experts agree with him at all? And I do suppose you know far more about the issues than any of the people in those organizations (military, intelligence and foreign relations) or at least have evidence that they know nothing about what they are doing? Im just curious how you came to such an august and prominent level of omniscience? It must really suck that the people who actually run the place don't know anything. It must also be really cruddy that those of us who get our information from the news services know more about the issues than those who run the place. :( </font> [ 11-26-2002, 05:04 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ] |
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Yo, Gilgamesh (odd you take a warriors name and yet fear war so violently) chill dude, we arent attacking you, just trying to show you why we think your assertions are incorect. As for thehorrors of war. Some of us have been there. Believe me, pictures don't say nearly enough. You have to feel the fear and adrenaline, you have to smell the horrid stench. </font> |
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Ar-Cunin, SH has a propensity for supplying said terror groups with funding and supplies...what happens if he give them some of the nerve gas he already has? or if he sells them materials for a dirty bomB? Some times you get to be guilty by association. </font> [ 11-26-2002, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ] |
Saddam Hussein also supplies training facilities to terrorists. They think the 9-11 killers were trained to take over planes at a site near Baghdad.
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Not trying to flame, just mincing my issues and confusing my metaphors. :D :D :D :D |
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