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Nanobyte 11-23-2002 02:00 PM

I can't understand how to solve this problem:
How many milliliters of 16.0 M HNO3 would be required to prepare 750. mL of a 0.500 M solution?

It says to see Sample Problem 13-3, but it includes grams into the equation, when all I have is the volume and concentration. Can someone help me w/ this problem?

Alright, I think I have it.
Would you take .5Mx.75L= .38mol/16M= .02L
.38mol/.02L= 19M.. hmm, that isn't right.

.5Mx750mL= 375mol/16M= 23.44mL
375mol/23.44mL= 16M.. but, the molarity equation says that you have to do the process in L..

Darn it.

[ 11-23-2002, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: Nanobyte ]

Staralfur 11-23-2002 02:42 PM

Just use Concentration(M) = moles/volume (in litres);

750ml of a 0.5M solution contains 0.375moles (0.750 x 0.5)

The solution of acid is 16 Molar, and vol.= moles/conc.;

So the volume of 16M HNO3 solution containing 0.375moles is 0.0234 Litres (23.4mL) (0.375 divided by 16)

You can converts the number of moles used into mass, but this just adds in a couple of extra steps that aren't needed in this case.

WillowIX 11-23-2002 02:43 PM

Ok n=V*C right. And you want 750ml solution that is 0,5M. Then you need 0,75*0,5=0,375 mole. Now you know how much you need from the original HNO<sub>3</sub>. Using the first formula V=n/C --> V=0,325/16= 0,023L or 23ml.



Edit: 3 answers. Should help you ;) :D

[ 11-23-2002, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: WillowIX ]

Davros 11-23-2002 02:44 PM

Gee, this takes me back many a year :
OK, so you need to make 750 mls of 0.5 molar solution

Molarity = no of moles per litre, so your new solution needs 0.5M * .75 litres = 0.375 moles (often referred to as gram moles)

You have 16M nitric - ie 16 moles per litre

What volume of that solution will contain 0.375 moles ======>

16M = 0.375 moles / V litres of solution - rearrange to get V = 0.375 / 16 = 0.0234 litres = 23.4 mls - your answer.

You can do everything on a gram basis instead of a number of moles basis, but that just means additional steps of multiplying and dividing by molecular weight (not needed).

OK, does this mean that I can place you as non-American (what with the metric values) - although I am wondering if molarity actually means the same thing in all countries, and can I also deduce that you, Nanobyte are doing Grade 8 or 9 chemistry?

Davros 11-23-2002 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WillowIX:
Ok n=V*C right. And you want 750ml solution that is 0,5M. Then you need 0,75*0,5=0,375 mole. Now you know how much you need from the original HNO<sub>3</sub>. Using the first formula V=n/C --> V=0,325/16= 0,023L or 23ml.

Edit: 3 answers. Should help you ;) :D

Damn - you edited before I could quote you :D - I was gunna suggest you get yourself a new calculator, because 0.75 * 0.5 is NOT 0.325 ;) , and 0.325 / 16 is NOT 0.024 ;)

But your method is good :D

Edit :
Hold on, I see you only changed the first to 0.375, not the second (still 0.325) and now 0.325 / 16 is NOT 0.023 ;)

[ 11-23-2002, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: Davros ]

WillowIX 11-23-2002 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Davros:
Damn - you edited before I could quote you :D - I was gunna suggest you get yourself a new calculator, because 0.75 * 0.5 is NOT 0.325 ;) , and 0.325 / 16 is NOT 0.024 ;)

But your method is good :D

The problem is I have no calculator! :D And maths when dead tired is like pulling an elephant out of a mudbank ;) :D I noticed when I had posted it though. Half of 750=325? Oh deary ;)

Davros 11-23-2002 02:58 PM

Dead tired - but I thought I was the one that was up at 3am cos he couldn't sleep (damn cold), and for you it should be early afternoon?

Have to admit I started to do things mentally, but then when that ugly divide came along I used the windows calculator - now where did I hide that old slide rule :D

Nanobyte 11-23-2002 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Davros:
OK, does this mean that I can place you as non-American (what with the metric values) - although I am wondering if molarity actually means the same thing in all countries, and can I also deduce that you, Nanobyte are doing Grade 8 or 9 chemistry?
American and 11th grade. But, I do think this is 8th or 9th grade chemistry, I just don't understand how to figure the equation; I'm also a little braindead after seeing Jackass last night.. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Blind_Prophet 11-23-2002 03:15 PM

I would help you if i could but i don't remeber anything from chemistry last year besides the fact that i barely passed [img]tongue.gif[/img]

BTW jackass was so funny!!

Davros 11-23-2002 03:21 PM

So that's interesting - the American system of weights and measures is not used when working in chemical terms like Molarity - so you get a little exposure to the metric system of grams and litres - kewl :D

andrewas 11-23-2002 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Davros:
So that's interesting - the American system of weights and measures is not used when working in chemical terms like Molarity - so you get a little exposure to the metric system of grams and litres - kewl :D
Just try and imagine doing molarity calculations in ounces & pints. That would *hurt* -a whole extra set of conversion numbers to remember.

B_part 11-23-2002 03:50 PM

I just can't understand why you stick to that stupid measurement system: you need a calculator each time you need to change unit... Metric is really much better, you need only move a point... 1 meter = 10decimeters = 100 centimeters = 1000 millimeters = 10^-3 kilometers... try that with miles, feet and inches!

Gammit 11-23-2002 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Davros:
So that's interesting - the American system of weights and measures is not used when working in chemical terms like Molarity - so you get a little exposure to the metric system of grams and litres - kewl :D
Yep, to keep the scientific language as universal as possible, all American scientists use the metric system. Actually, this is done by near every scientist in the world to keep things easier to understand for all. In fact, the elemental letters are universal as well. I've seen chinese laboratories with jars on the shelf that say:

(something in chinese)
CH3OH

pretty neat.

Gammit 11-23-2002 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by B_part:
I just can't understand why you stick to that stupid measurement system: you need a calculator each time you need to change unit... Metric is really much better, you need only move a point... 1 meter = 10decimeters = 100 centimeters = 1000 millimeters = 10^-3 kilometers... try that with miles, feet and inches!
We (American Scientists) don't understand it either. (: Actually, like turning a very large machine, it takes a looooooong time to alter the way an entire country (and a large one at that) measures. Some Americans, like myself, use both:

Metric for temperature and volume

English for distance, mass, speed

Davros 11-23-2002 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gammit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Davros:
So that's interesting - the American system of weights and measures is not used when working in chemical terms like Molarity - so you get a little exposure to the metric system of grams and litres - kewl :D

Yep, to keep the scientific language as universal as possible, all American scientists use the metric system. Actually, this is done by near every scientist in the world to keep things easier to understand for all. In fact, the elemental letters are universal as well. I've seen chinese laboratories with jars on the shelf that say:

(something in chinese)
CH3OH

pretty neat.
</font>[/QUOTE]The same elemental letters - YES - the same elemental spellling - NOPE :D

(just my usual rant about why your periodoc table has Aluminum, whereas the rest of the world has Aluminium ;) ).

I work for an American multi-national, which essentially has an Australian and Atlantic division. I get to do the occasional technical review of plants in the Atlantic division, which plunges me from kilolitres per hour, kilowatts, deg C straight into the world of US gallons per minute, BTU's, deg F. Such is the life of the Chemical Engineer ;)

Gammit 11-24-2002 01:02 AM

Very true, Davros. I did a double take the first time I saw things like "aluminium." (: On another note, my older brother is a chemical engineering professor! Very cool you all are, but what makes you guys tick, is beyond me. (:

Davros 11-24-2002 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gammit:
Very true, Davros. I did a double take the first time I saw things like "aluminium." (: On another note, my older brother is a chemical engineering professor! Very cool you all are, but what makes you guys tick, is beyond me. (:
What makes Chemical Engineers tick - the generic basic is the three A's :
1) A problem to be solved
2) Alcohol
3) An impossible deadline

Other than that :
1) Fantasy novels
2) CRPG's
3) The Internet


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