Lately I have been noticing a bit of flame baiting from member to member, and from SOME members to Mods.

This will stop. NOW. This is the only warning you will get. If the Mods or I see this disrespect, your account will either be suspended for a Month, or banned (Depending on the act).

As Memnoch posted, I shouldn't have to remind you guys.. but there are a few members that are reaching the cliff, and are about to fall over if they aren't careful....

Ironworks will remain flame-free forums and ZERO Trolling. I will be watching VERY closely.

In other words, cool it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thanks, mate - we ALL want to come here and enjoy the forum - the last thing we want to do is have to post these types of threads. The thread Z is referring to is here.

[ 11-23-2002, 03:20 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

And it's not that I LIKE to ban anyone. I hate it. I don't know if it's a full moon or something or what.. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Acctually there was a full moon last night (no joke) [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

[ 11-23-2002, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: Blind_Prophet ]

Wasn't that two or three nights ago, actually? (For us, anyway.)

And maybe some sort of alien mindcontrol virus came to Earth along with that meteor shower near the beginning of this week, a virus bending the minds of people everywhere so that they would no longer follow proper authority.

I think you better reread Zirocs post Neb, maybe reflect on what parts refered to you. <edit> And yes me too but I know when I'm wrong.

[ 11-23-2002, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: Lord of Alcohol ]

Ohhhh NO!!!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Let's see, have I spammed lately? No.

Have I actively disrespected a mods decision about anything on the boards? No.

Have I flame-baited someone with the intent of getting them to flame back or such? No.

Have I actively trolled? No.

If I've done any of these things they've been entirely unintentional. Which the mods have probably noticed. And I've recieved no warnings of any kind, so I believe that I've behaved "nicely".

Actually Neb no you havent. Constantly questioning Moderators makes you annoying.

When have I questioned a mods actions? The only thing that I've ever wanted is that they tell us why they delete threads. Not because I disagree with them, but because it's nice to know what mistake to avoid. And because I'm a curious bastard.

Calm down.

Bye bye Neb.

Farewell LoA, it was a fun chat we had. Glad that you addressed everything I said.

If one of your message get deleted, and you don't know why, simply email Ziroc. How hard can that be?

Let me copy and paste the part of the Rules and Regulation regarding this, as a reminder:

If you cant figure it out Neb then perhaps you should lock yourself in a closet and think about things for awhile. Then come out of the closet. Trust me we're all expecting that anyway.

Lord of Alcohol, you might dislike Neb, but that's not a reason to not to respect him. Please be nice.

[ 11-23-2002, 09:12 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

Sure thing, I will refrain from posting in this thread. Its for the best

Geez, I never thought that I would be quoting Rodney King, but can't we just get along? I know that there is bad blood, here, but what good is it going to do? For the record, Z, I shall do anything that you want, an that goes for my household.

Uh.. would my nerd post be considered insulting? Here it is http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...0;t=012529;p=1
Sorry if i offended anybody...

LoA, what you are doing here is flamebaiting to make an already tense situation worse. I don't want to see ANY more of it, please. Stay out of it, alright?

It's ok, me and LOA took care of the matter in PMs.

I looked at the first post of your thread, and I don't see that as insulting. I would be the first to agree I am a nerd. ;)

I just wanted to add something here...

PLEASE (to new users and old) don't feel like you have to 'walk on eggshells' when posting.. i.e. don't be afraid of us. We are here to help you!! [img]smile.gif[/img] As long as you read the rules, and follow them, you have nothing at all to worry about. 99.9% of the rules are just common sense and courtesy..

So enjoy yourself! Sit back, relax and enjoy Ironworks! That's what we're here for [img]smile.gif[/img] .

What exactly has been going on here?

I think I've got most of the story, but what I have never understood is why rebellious people don't have respect for people who uphold rules that need to be upheld.

It's like this at school as well.

Also, if you would rather not answer my first question moderators, don't. I don't want to ask for repeat of an explation that you have given somewhere else.

I am absolutely amazed to the way things are run in here. Ziroc is doing a great job webmaster-wise, but there is one thing that is close to a justice murder.

Neb was banned simply because he disagreed with mods. The problem here is that you CANNOT disagree with mods without having to be feared that your account gets deleted, even if you do it politely and haven´t hurt anyone´s feelings. We are all equal, people. Everyone has right to disagree with anyone, and show it with good manner, too.

Luvian and Ronn_Bman (sp?): "If you don´t like it, leave" Of course no one wants to leave Ironworks if they don´t have to. That´s human nature. If we see that something is wrong with the acts of moderators or rules, we try to correct them (politely), of course. And when Neb tried to do this, he was banned. You call that justice?

And the #1 point. I most politely ask: please remove the "foolish follower" or whatever reads next to Neb´s name, you are DEGRADING the person by doing so. You are showing that you don´t have any respect to a long time member, and yet wonder why he didn´t respect you. Lets not make fun of anyone, okay?

Same thing with the other member whose account you banned (Lord something?) Please remove that too. Although in his case, the banning was absolutely justified for what he did to a mod.

Respect is earned. If mod´s do their job like they should, I keep on giving applauds. They are polices, true, and personally I wouldn´t even consider putting anyone down here in the forums. Like someone said, it´s really recommended that moderators would even sometimes SHOW practical examples of what you cannot do here.

I wonder if I get my account deleted for expressing my opinions. *sighs*

Thanks for reading.

[ 11-24-2002, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: NiceWorg ]

Let me see here... you all are tring to say that the mods are turning IW into a police state??!! (Wouldn't suprise me!?) [img]graemlins/egypt.gif[/img]

Neb was banned? I thought that was his new avatar, how did it happen?

Which avatar are you referring to?

Neb was a long time member of this board, it´s sad that he´s not here anymore, and that he´s made fun of. I don´t understand the reasons why he was banned, maybe they refer to some thread I didn´t manage to find.

<font color="lightblue">Neb wasn`t banned for disagreeing with the mods. He was banned for publically questioning moderator decisions; which translates to trying to make the mods look bad.
We have a right to question the mod's decisions, but PM or email is a far better way to do it than a public thread.
All of the rules here exist for a reason, most of them being common sense.

Try putting yourself in Ziroc's shoes. You run a large forum and someone publically questions your authority, what are you going to do ?? Probably you wouldn`t let that slip, especially not if it was as direct as "I have a problem with the way you run your own site". </font>

The avatar below his username. It says BANNED in a humorous bold red text.

And I do know who Neb is btw [img]tongue.gif[/img] ;)

HADB loses another member.

<font color="lightblue">Neb wasn`t banned for disagreeing with the mods. He was banned for publically questioning moderator decisions; which translates to trying to make the mods look bad.
We have a right to question the mod's decisions, but PM or email is a far better way to do it than a public thread.
All of the rules here exist for a reason, most of them being common sense.

Try putting yourself in Ziroc's shoes. You run a large forum and someone publically questions your authority, what are you going to do ?? Probably you wouldn`t let that slip, especially not if it was as direct as "I have a problem with the way you run your own site". </font></font>[/QUOTE]True Lennon, very true. Shame to see him go though.

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<font color="lightblue">Neb wasn`t banned for disagreeing with the mods. He was banned for publically questioning moderator decisions; which translates to trying to make the mods look bad. We have a right to question the mod's decisions, but PM or email is a far better way to do it than a public thread. All of the rules here exist for a reason, most of them being common sense. Try putting yourself in Ziroc's shoes. You run a large forum and someone publically questions your authority, what are you going to do ?? Probably you wouldn`t let that slip, especially not if it was as direct as "I have a problem with the way you run your own site". </font>

It would be annoying of course. But if the questioning would be justified, I would reply to it publically. Neb had his reasons, I´m sure, and I didn´t see anything wrong with them.

Each of us will have our own preferred way of "thrashing things out". But bearing in mind that this is Ziroc's website, we ought to have the courtesy of accepting his preference.

As for Neb's latest avatar, I'm not sure if it was meant to be a joke or not. But wouldn't it be better for you to ask the mods separately? Let's at least attempt to keep the peace [img]smile.gif[/img]

Right, I should have. It just came out along with the rest. The only thing I´d really want is that the "foolish follower" would get deleted, and then leave the woes behind. It just annoys me, and yes, maybe I could have PM:d this message too, but it would be interesting to know what other people think about this.

And sigmar, Im afraid Neb cannot decide himself to have red "banned" text under his name. I´m sure you know how it works, that´s the mark that banned members get.

[ 11-24-2002, 06:39 AM: Message edited by: NiceWorg ]

Nuts all I was going to say was Nebs new Avatar was pretty cool and then I read the whole thread :eek:

Oh well its still a cool avatar [img]smile.gif[/img]

[quote]Originally posted by NiceWorg:

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Originally posted by mistral4543: [qb] And sigmar, Im afraid Neb cannot decide himself to have red "banned" text under his name. I´m sure you know how it works, that´s the mark that banned members get.

Well your initial point about him being unable to decide whether he is banned or not is correct [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I simply wasn't aware that Ziroc had designed a special avatar for banned members, I thought it was a custom avatar made for Neb. Like a certain member's stoned golem :D

That avatar does look good though :D

Actually, this is wrong. Everyone is in control of whether or not they get banned - it's in their actions. They decide this - we just execute the consequences of their decisions.

Personally I wasn't aware that Neb had been banned - my understanding when I went to bed last night was that he had decided that he could not follow the guidelines which we set out regarding respect for moderators and so had decided to withdraw his membership:

"Exactly, bye Ronn, bye everyone. Can you delete accounts? I think that I'll go find out." - Neb in this thread.

I haven't heard anything to the contrary from anyone. As for the avatar, if you email Ziroc I'm sure he will be glad to clear that up for you.

Re: the "abiding by moderators decisions" issue - it's starting to really irritate me that people can't seem to comply with this simple request. This is NOT a democratic country where leaders are elected and everyone can do whatever they like - at the end of the day this is a private forum owned by one person who sets the rules. You guys are free to accept or reject those rules. If you agree to follow them, you stay. If you don't agree to follow them, then you leave. It's that simple - you can't have it both ways. It's not like these rules are unfair or unreasonable anyway. I hardly think this constitutes a police state. If you want NO moderatorship and no rules, then go visit one of the Gamespy or Usenet forums and see how long you last.

If ANYONE wants more clarification on this issue then I encourage them to contact either myself, Ziroc or another of the mod team.

[ 11-24-2002, 07:31 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

Actually, this is wrong. Everyone is in control of whether or not they get banned - it's in their actions. They decide this - we just execute the consequences of their decisions.

Personally I wasn't aware that Neb had been banned - my understanding when I went to bed last night was that he had decided that he could not follow the guidelines which we set out regarding respect for moderators and so had decided to withdraw his membership. I haven't heard anything to the contrary from anyone. As for the avatar, if you email Ziroc I'm sure he will be glad to clear that up for you.

Re: the "abiding by moderators decisions" issue - it's starting to really irritate me that people can't seem to comply with this simple request. This is NOT a democratic country where leaders are elected and everyone can do whatever they like - at the end of the day this is a private forum owned by one person who sets the rules. You guys are free to accept or reject those rules. If you agree to follow them, you stay. If you don't agree to follow them, then you leave. It's that simple - you can't have it both ways. It's not like these rules are unfair or unreasonable anyway.

If ANYONE wants more clarification on this issue then I encourage them to contact either myself, Ziroc or another of the mod team.</font>[/QUOTE]Upon reflection I should have added a "now" to that statement. I wasn't attacking the mods and their banning methods.

This is the message I wanted to send through.

"Well your initial point about him being unable to decide whether he is now banned or not is correct"

I appriciate that it is ultimately our choice whether we are banned or we remain, for it is we who decide how we behave and act here. Just a case of micscommunication Memnoch [img]smile.gif[/img]

Funny how one word can change an entire statement.

I think the avatar and "Foolish Follower" is in poor taste. But that's just my opinion. ;D

Mark

Now I am starting to think that all of these questions arising from nothing is all Neb's doing... I hope I am wrong in this... :(

*Shrugs* It's Ziroc's site, he can do anything that he wants with it. I'm with Memnoch, I cannot see why this is such a controversy. After a long talk with another forum member, I can see that this is the culmination of a long-simmering dispute, with many complex roots. It is not the result of one or two posts, no matter how ill-advised. As someone once wrote, it is not the first thing that comes up in an argument in a long-standing relationship, sometimes not the one-hundred-and-first. As for taste, de gustibus non disputandum est., as the old lady said as she kissed the pig. ;)