Hi,
Moni asked me to post an open letter to her friends (and others at IW) about why she left. I'm not sure if this is within the rules, but she is my friend and there are just things that have to be done. This is one of them:

Mods: Lock or delete this thread if I have broken the rules.

Mark

That's a real shame. I always thought Moni was such a nice person. I can't really understand why people would want to send her 'nasty' email. :(
Well, it was her call...

Aww, I never really spoke to her but she seemed really nice. :(

[ 10-29-2002, 04:55 AM: Message edited by: Spelca ]

Keep in mind we have only one side of whatever happened here. Furthermore, by leaving and then having this letter posted, Moni didn't let whoever she incriminates one chance to expose his side of the matter.

Anyway, leaving has been her decision and hers alone, so whatever happened, let it rest.

Well....that's a shock! When I was just getting to know her better.

I do wonder who it was that disturbed her so! :frown:

Keep in mind, that this letter was in response to people asking what happened in the previous thread, "Did I miss something...? Or was Moni banned....".

She has also cited, in her letter, that she was to blame as well as anyone else. She also did not point fingers at anyone by name.

I'm sorry you feel this way Moiraine.

Mark

Mark - I consider myself to be a friend to both yourself and the Princess, and hope to ever remain so. This however comes over in very poor taste to me. Moni knows who her friends are, and if this is the message she wanted to get across then email would have been the correct medium. The leter is laced with pathos and drama and leaves a very poor taste in my mouth. To me it is not an honorable means of exit. I am surprised that she would ask you to do this, and that you would agree to.

Keep in mind, that this letter was in response to people asking what happened in the previous thread, "Did I miss something...? Or was Moni banned....".

She has also cited, in her letter, that she was to blame as well as anyone else. She also did not point fingers at anyone by name.

I'm sorry you feel this way Moiraine.

Mark</font>[/QUOTE]Mark Skywalker, I thought my post was clear about it, I don't feel any way. I don't know what happened, and I don't care, I don't even know who are the 'mean-spirited' people she is referring to in her letter above. What I do see from that letter is that she leaves, then points accusing fingers at people who, now that she is gone, don't have a chance to expose their side of the matter. That was my point.

EDIT : Oh, and sure, she didn't point at anyone by name, but she did a very good job at raising speculations about who the 'mean-spirited' people may be ...

[ 10-29-2002, 05:28 AM: Message edited by: Moiraine ]

I was asked to post this for her and don't think I was unaware that I would catch some grief for doing so. I've been Moni's friend for about 2 years and she requested I post it, so I did.

I do not have anything to say whether the message was right or wrong or mean spirited. I realize that doing this could cause me trouble here, but I did it anyway. Sometimes friends do things and damn the consequences.

I don't know if this was a mistake or not, but I'm not sorry for posting it.

Looks like a case of damn the messenger for the message, eh?

Mark

I'm sorry to say that I agree with Moiraine and Davros, this is in bad taste.
I don't know what happened, but I do know that Moni herself decided to leave. No-one else made that decision for her. To ask that something is posted here after leaving which is accusing others of making her life a misery is not right or fair. We make our own decisions in life, she made this one, no-one forced her into it.

If anyone receives e-mails or PMs they don't like, IGNORE them, or if they are out of order, flaming or harrassing, report the sender to the webmaster. I don't know for sure, but it makes me wonder if there are any grounds for the finger-pointing - I'm sure had anyone done anything as bad as suggested they would have been reported and banned.

Instead we have a *public* accusation of fellow boardmembers with no way of validating the claims or otherwise, and with no way of the accused being able to respond! That is slanderous in my book, and a low thing to do. Not playing fair.

I'm sorry, I don't like to feel badly about people, but this has made me wonder, and shake my head in disbelief. I would have no wish to upset Moni in the slightest, but have to agree with Moiraine about the pathos and drama.

Members take note - if you don't like it here, either leave, or don't leave, don't make a song and dance about it. It is plain wrong in my book to leave and then make public accusations which, if they had any grounds whatsoever, would (at least in my opinion) have been dealt with by Ziroc already.

Sorry, this is just what I believe having read this thread. I have no strong feelings either way about it, just voicing my opinion.

Who said anything against you Mark ?

Sorry for my last sentence Mark - I shouldn't have been surprised that you agreed to post it. That is ever what I have considered to be one of your very best qualities - unswerving loyalty to those that are your friends. I have always felt that loyalty come through during the two years that I have been friends with both you and Princess.

I don't hold anything against you for doing what you did, but I think Moni was not being altogether fair in asking it of you. There is a thread on this page that has been locked by the moderators for generating this type of pathos - this topic only serves to extend it. As I said in my previous post - there were better mediums to communicate this by.

That's OK Davros, I guess I'm way too close to the issue. I can see both sides of this issue and tend to lean toward Moni.

Mark

If you're suggesting it was an intended flamebait, then this thread needs locking and deleting (disappointed). :(

NO! What I'm saying is that I understand how Moni feels, sometimes I've felt that way (not necessarily online, like when I was in school). And I understand how others here feel. It's just my friendship with Moni is strong.

To suggest flamebaiting...that really hurts Davros.

Mark

I had suggested the very thing Davros, if I'd broken the rules. The intent was not to cause a ruckus, which is what this thread is causing. :(

Mark

PM me if you want to discuss it further Mark - I am not angry, but I am done posting on this thread!!!

Sorry for my last sentence Mark - I shouldn't have been surprised that you agreed to post it. That is ever what I have considered to be one of your very best qualities - unswerving loyalty to those that are your friends. I have always felt that loyalty come through during the two years that I have been friends with both you and Princess.

I don't hold anything against you for doing what you did, but I think Moni was not being altogether fair in asking it of you. There is a thread on this page that has been locked by the moderators for generating this type of pathos - this topic only serves to extend it. As I said in my previous post - there were better mediums to communicate this by.</font>[/QUOTE]Mark, loyalty to your friends is a great quality - may I suggest that being loyal to your friends is also pointing to them when they are being childish ? If Moni felt she was being hassled by people from IW, she could have reacted in an adult way by asking Ziroc to act. Instead, she put a drama act like a child would.

My fellow Ironworks members, I'm going to be very blunt here, so please bear with me.

'Letters' like this can be inflammatory in my book. They leave lots of little 'mysteries' and questions in reader's minds, and are usually meant to make people start asking around and casting aspersions on others. This often causes a split on the forum when members end up 'choosing sides' over something that in most cases started out too small to fret about but got worked up into a 'mountain from a molehill', as they say.

In addition, as Moiraine pointed out, things like this are only one side of what is most likely a much more complex situation. I would point out that 'nasty email' is a subjective description and one person's rational or well meaning comment may be seen by another as 'nasty' and malicious. We all have different tolerance levels and viewpoints.

I'm very sorry that one member has felt the need to leave the board and feels so badly about some of her time here. It was, however, her decision and hers alone to make, so I respect that. Let's honor her good times here, by not muddying up the waters we are all swimming in with rumor and innuendo.

I know we are a wonderful group of caring and fascinating people here and I can only hope that we will refrain from 'gossiping' and 'guessing' in posts about things we have only partial knowledge of. That route can lead to unpleasantness for all of us in the end.

Cloudy

I really think all that needs to be said on this subject has been. If it is allowed to continue it will only lead to uninformed speculation and accusation.

Moni made a personal decision to remove herself from our community. Sad though some may find it, it's time to accept her decision and move on. I'm sure those close to her will keep in touch by other means.

Just a word from me. This was closed because of the following rule that was broke:

Be Responsible: Do not post slanderous, libelous or any defamatory statements on the Ironworks Gaming Forum, we will not be held responsible for your posts, but just the same, we'd rather not go there! Posts that appear to be defamatory should have supporting references included.

(The LAST sentence is what I am pointing out). Unless you have supporting references, don't make accusations of another Member at Ironworks.)

That's all. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 10-30-2002, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Ziroc ]