What ever happened to:

Song Title - by Artist?

Seen the charts lately?

Examples:

1.Nelly Featuring Kelly Rowland
2.Eve Featuring Alicia Keys
3.P. Diddy & Ginuwine Featuring Loon, Mario Winans & Tammy Ruggeri
4.Ludacris Featuring Mystikal & Infamous 2.0
5.Irv Gotti Presents The Inc. Featuring Ja Rule, Ashanti, Charli Baltimore & Vita
6.DJ Sammy & Yanou Featuring Do
7.Cam'ron Featuring Juelz Santana, Freekey Zekey & Toya
8.Angie Martinez Featuring Lil' Mo & Sacario
9.Chad Kroeger Featuring Josey Scott
10.Fabolous Featuring P. Diddy & Jagged Edge
11.Jennifer Lopez Featuring Nas
12.No Doubt Featuring Lady Saw
13.Beenie Man Featuring Janet
14.Nappy Roots Featuring Anthony Hamilton

all in billboard top 50

I'm all for collaboration but song credits are getting like movie credits. Check out number 5 - Down 4 U - By Irv Gotti Presents blah balh blah...???

Don't even get me started on the '2 Heav.E 4 U 2 HandL Da 1daful Rythmz' style tytlz...

*Shrugs* Modern music sux, IMHO, so I don't listen to it. It hasn't been the same since Jim Morrison died.

Yikes! I'll go a decade further than Attalus till the late 80's. Then came grunge and rap. Blah

Jim says thanks Attalus.
I personally thinks there's always been sucky and excellent music and now is no different. It is a poor indictment though when a song needs:

Two artists featuring four guest artists presented by three guest producer for another producer's productions in conjunction with P.Diddy (He's involved in everything somehow).
Written by sixteen 'hit' writers but also includes 37 samples of proven hit songs and one obscure yet cred providing funk track.
Performed by an army of sessions muso's yet all you hear is the samples and the twelve programers.

Everything is so unnessesarily complicated now...

Words cant express how much I agree.

I stopped listening to raido a while ago. I havent liked anything that has come out in 3 or 4 years.

The last 'new' band I like that came out was Days of the New. Ironic huh??

Same here. I listen to the 1980's and EARLY 1990's Music mostly. The crap they play is all rap, and I don't like rap. OR country. bla... [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

My only question is what ever happened to correct SPELLING!! All you have to do is look at some of the names to see what I mean.

A lot of new stuff does indeed suck. And many old things are very good, but there are some good new things as well. "Epiphany" by "Bad Religion", for example, is possibly the best song I've ever heard.

Bad Religon isnt new though.

Unlike most people here I happen to like some of those songs. *incredulous stares* Who cares if it takes more than one person to make a good song? A band isn't just one person now is it? I like old bands like Led Zeppelin too and Jimmy Paige didn't make that all by himself. And even if he did I don't care! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Your right, it often takes two or more people to make good music. But normaly those are called 'bands' and doesnt go through all the non sence that the list above does [img]smile.gif[/img] .

Ah another good point. That's just the way hip hop and rap is. The easiest way to make a good song is to put your head together! [img]tongue.gif[/img] It's not the first time there's been songs made by two different artists simultaenously, it's just that not everyone liked them! I'm not trying to sound offended, i'm just defending *some* of the music I like. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Its ok, you should defend what you like, if its being attack. I am just not too up for Top 40 music. Seems all kind of manufacted to me.

As for the rap sence, well. I will refrain from commenting ;)

Understood. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I'm not into heavy meatal or country. But everything else is fine. ;) Especially the *old* stuff. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I wasn't attempting to bash any particular style of music - I honestly have not heard a style I have not found something good in.

I'm not even against credited sampling.

I am tired of this current marketing trend though, because that's all it is, and it's a lame one at that - trying to hype very ordinary and common music industry practices by jargoning them up.

*This post was brought 2 U by L.Eon!s featuring Text and Electronics presented by Zirockstar and C.H.O.C. for Ironworks featuring INFOPOP and UBBClassic and a smiley ;)

LOL! Zirockstar! Brillant ;)

LMAO! Okay now I admit doing *that* is completely unecessary. :D

The UK charts are easily amongst the worst in the world, really, im not lyign here. Pop Idol alone spun of three cheesy manufactured soloists, pop gropu (I think that was the name) spun off two band, Liberty X and Hear'Say, and now Pop Idol Rivals will spin off a further two bands, one boy one girl to see who does best in the charts!
Its getting overly rediculous the charts now-a-days, what happened to the music of past, where it was instrumental or the person ould actaully SING! unaided by some computer to change their voice [img]smile.gif[/img]
All I can say is forgive these shallow times and listen to some odler music till our charts recover, but in my generation theyve always been bad so lets hope the change around comes back soon, with heaps load of prog rock :D its time for tis comeback hehe
Until then keep listening to old chart faviourites such as The Police and Genesis! Both are among my faviourte music ever, who coulda known a Geordie could sing so well! [img]smile.gif[/img] (Will the American board users get that previous stament? lol)

LOL Leonis, great thread mate! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

I do agree with you, the sampling and recycling is really bad these days! It happens sooo often that I hear a rap song I think I know, only to note subtle differences in lyrics or beat and finding out that they just recycled the main tune. Same for all those rappers recycling old pop songs. Really fed up with that [img]graemlins/1puke.gif[/img]
Very funny list you'd compiled there! Yeah, it's weird when they have like 3 different 'featurings'in that list. I wonder why it is that so many people in that genre just keep putting out singles with everybody else. In proper bands, you see far less of such cooperation - usually when a famous musician plays with another band it's because he left the previous band :D
So on the one hand you could make a case for the high sociality of rappers, seeing how they all work together like one big group, but on the other hand I'm cynic enough to suspect they're just looking for ways to make even more cash with even less interesting songs. :rolleyes:

However, I also absolutely agree with you that there can be found something good in any musical style. People going "ooh it's all crap these days, the only good music was made in the (fill in any pre-90s decade)".... well....
That attitude decidely annoys me, firstly because I am pretty sure they haven't got a clue what they're talking about since they assume that all modern music is like the stuff you hear in the Top 100 and secondly, because it's fine to prefer to listen to older music, just don't be so pedantic to say all modern stuff is crap. Be wise enough to recognise it's just a matter of taste. Heck, I don't listen to the Stones or the Beatles but I wouldn't even dare to *think* they are crap. I'm aware of my limitations and it might very well be the case that I simply can't *understand* their genius. :D
I listen to classical music almost exclusively sometimes, doesn't mean I go around saying all modern pop music is crap. There is a lot of musical genius in the world today.
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[ 09-18-2002, 07:02 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

Now, now, Melusine, I didn't say that all modern music is crap, I said that it sux. Don't misquote me. ;)

EDIT: Aaah, I'm now an Egyptian.

[ 09-18-2002, 09:12 AM: Message edited by: Attalus ]

ROTFL! Not bad, Leonis! You should get a night job as a copy editor for the industry ;) :D

I agree with you wholeheartedly about the hyping of ordinary things to 'jazz em up' or get more attention. Seems like we live in a world where anything 'ordinary' is to be avoided like the proverbial plague these days! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

ooh it's all crap these days, the only good music was made in the 60's :D

Hmm, well like some of it, and try to avoid others...

Don´t listen to Beatles or Rolling Stone nor Led Zeppelin either Melusin, so you are not alone ;)

I like some rap, I like some 60´s like very little 70´s Like a small part of the 80´s and alot of 90´s as long as it isn´t manufactered bands or popstar wannabies or some other jox to make us pay for total crap.. Well I have the radio on here at work, but as soon as I´m alone I let my Winamp playlist with music I like start instead...

This from the country that gave us ABBA! Sheesh! I be you like 'rock and rollmop'! :D

BTW - Rollmop is a kind of herring!

I don´t know if this make you feel better but I don´t like either ABBA nor Ace of Base ;)

I rather listen to Frankie boy :D

You old smoothie! :D

Yeah, I feel better now.

Nope, it's called a rolmops [img]tongue.gif[/img] ;)
Had to get back at you for being such a cheeky git :D

Attalus, who said i was quoting you? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Oh, just a feeling that I got ... and we all know how important it is to get in touch with our feelings. We old married men develop a 6th sense about female wrath. [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D

Oh, just a feeling that I got ... and we all know how important it is to get in touch with our feelings. We old married men develop a 6th sense about female wrath. [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D </font>[/QUOTE]Baaaaah :D

[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] Great post Mel! I feel understood... :D

but can anyone actually explain the
Sean Combs = Sean "Puffy" Combs = Puff Daddy = P.Diddy ??

Is there a rational explaination or do we just blame it on drugs and guns and stuff?

Thanks! Again I think it's a great thread!! The title had me in stitches :D [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

As for P. Diddy, which has GOT to be the most ridiculous artist's name EVER, let's blame it on the drugs and guns and stuff... I can't think of any other possible explanation ;)

I wonder if he got his name from the old Depression era song, "Diddy-waw-diddy." :D I think "Prince" is sillier, though. ;)
Btw, Melusine, I thought that you were against single word and smiley posts. Enlighten me, please. [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img]

Melusine, you do know I meant this post

not this one:

Don't you? ;) [img]tongue.gif[/img]

That is indeed downright ridiculous.

Leonis, did I tell you I had the dubious honour of being barred entry into P.Diddy's studio? I was dropping off a CD to a co-writer friend of mine who doing a vocal for him at his studio. There was no way I was going to be let in the building though, so I had to leave it with the huge bouncer. :D Is that my new claim to fame!? :D :D

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Now, to those who dissed modern music - it's a bit rough to say all modern music is CRAP. What about the mountains of brilliant work you are not allowed to hear because of "cultural superiority complex" (if you're in America) or "slavish devotion to American trends syndrom" (if you're in anywhere other than America)?

Don't blame the musicians/writers. Blame the system.

There are mountains of brilliant CDs 'no-one' will hear because of the way things are. :(

I honestly think music today is exceptional. Contemporary recordings are now better recorded, more diverse, influenced by a larger variety of societies, and exceptionally visionary. I get somewhat frustrated with older music at times.

But if you want good music you have to KNOW WHERE TO LOOK! Don't go waiting for the radio to spoon feed you. That's what babies do. There's no excuse in this day and age, not to be able to find some new music that excites you.

Oh yes. And it may take more than one listen to UNDERSTAND this new music. ;)

Do we really believe that the social commentaries made by your parents generation are the only word on human existence? Are the melodies of yesteryear the ultimate way 12 notes can be arranged?

Bollocks.

Excuses, excuses all. SHAME ON YOU GUYS. (Except for Leonis who has a snotfilled, dry, pus-crusted rotting pea for a frontal lobe) :D :D

[ 09-18-2002, 11:55 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

What about "The Artist formerly known as 'The Artist formerly known as 'Prince.''"

Hey Yorick! Good to see you again! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Your right, as far as the equiment to record with is the best its ever been. But that doesnt make the music and titles anyless ridiculas. Just my point of view.

I might have asked you this once, cant remember, but I recently got a new compurter so of course I lost all my files off the old one, witch had you songs on it. Is there anyway you could get them to me again? Thanks.

You Sir, are a pox upon hughmanity.

At least it's a change, normally it's him getting kicked out of places...
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[ 09-19-2002, 12:26 AM: Message edited by: Leonis ]

LOL, I was waiting for someone to bring that up! Well yes, that is nearly as bad! But then again... "Huge Willy"?? Now what kind of moronic name is THAT?? :D

Attalus: [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Leonis: [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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[quote]Originally posted by Yorick:

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Originally posted by Leonis: [QB] Now, to those who dissed modern music - it's a bit rough to say all modern music is CRAP. What about the mountains of brilliant work you are not allowed to hear because of "cultural superiority complex" (if you're in America) or "slavish devotion to American trends syndrom" (if you're in anywhere other than America)? Don't blame the musicians/writers. Blame the system. There are mountains of brilliant CDs 'no-one' will hear because of the way things are. :( I honestly think music today is exceptional. Contemporary recordings are now better recorded, more diverse, influenced by a larger variety of societies, and exceptionally visionary. I get somewhat frustrated with older music at times. But if you want good music you have to KNOW WHERE TO LOOK! Don't go waiting for the radio to spoon feed you. That's what babies do. There's no excuse in this day and age, not to be able to find some new music that excites you. Oh yes. And it may take more than one listen to UNDERSTAND this new music. ;) Do we really believe that the social commentaries made by your parents generation are the only word on human existence? Are the melodies of yesteryear the ultimate way 12 notes can be arranged? Bollocks.

I agree fullheartedly, Yorick. But weren't you someone who actually liked Puddle of Mudd? Just checking, can't recall if it was you or someone else... [img]graemlins/uhoh1.gif[/img] As I normally see them a good example of why billboard rockmusic comes down to recycling the same old rock/grunge clichés ad infinitum. Creed and Nickelback ditto. ;)

[ 09-19-2002, 07:21 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

I, sir, feel all the shame that the situation warrants. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I am sure that your own music is great, but when you talk about spending a lot of effort wading through mountains of dreck like "rap," P.Diddy, and "the Glyph," as "Prince" was known as for a while, to find a few jewels, I'm afraid that I lack the time and energy. As well as the inclination. People who like new music, like you, seem to be driven to do those things, but, not me. I already know where a few jewels are, and that's enough for me. :D

Melisine: [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]