Anyone that says anything negative about the 9-11 events such as "I think they are making too much of it", will get your account DELETED.

I have removed 2 posts as of now, and I am very disappointed at that. So from now on, you are warned. Call me a censorist, but damn-it, I don't care! (In this case).

<font color="white">I think you're right, good on you Ziroc! I mean...it's just...the people who have been claiming we're making a big deal of ti are kiddies whose parents probably aren't big fans of the US or whatever. I think we should ALL remember people DIED. This wasn't just a loss of two buildings and a few planes. people DIED, k? </font>
Sorry, I get worked up because until january i didn't realise how major this was.
God bless America.

excuse me?
i am NOT a kiddy, ,thank you very much
the IRA missed killing me by 2 hours when they blew up a station i commonly used. they missed killing my DAD when they blew the train he took to work

so don't come that "anybody opposing my view is childish" nonsense

however, this is Ziroc's board and I will comply with this request

I agree totally with this idea Ziroc its the only way some people will learn,
Good call,
<s>Felix></s>
p.s. Lord Shield i was narrowly missed being killed when a car narrowly missed(<s>< </s>is that a double negative or just stupidity?) hitting my car head on... gues what it was a stolen car, puts you right off car-jackers... so you dont have to apologize i mean i'd feel like that if i was nearly killed by terrorists

[ 09-11-2002, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: FelixJaeger ]

<font color="white">LS...I was talking about uss. I know the IRA need to be delt with and I'm glad you didn't get hurt, or your dad.</font>

sorry Kaltia

all this talk of terrorism brought so much back of the years we've had with the IRA. bugger is one of my best friends could have shot them if our govt had given his platoon the order instead of fannying about

sorry Kaltia

all this talk of terrorism brought so much back of the years we've had with the IRA. bugger is one of my best friends could have shot them if our govt had given his platoon the order instead of fannying about</font>[/QUOTE]<font color="white"> and the catholic and protestants. </font>

I agree, Ziroc.

What? Are you kidding me Ziroc? I didn't mean to offend anyone, and I never said ANYWHERE that they are making too much of it!

I merely posted a thread which contained a link to a site that contained an opinion very differant to my own. I am not calling you a censorist and I have as sure as hell NEVER disagreed with any judgement call you have made in the past, nor do I disagree with this one.

I admit what I was posted might have offended some people and I was aware that some people might have taken offence, thats why I said you could delete it if you felt it was reasonable to do so.

People/Ziroc believe you me I never wished for any of you to get annoyed and if I had a chance to do it again I would not have posted that thread.

I personally appriciate what the people of America have gone through, all the hardships they have overcome and so on. You can never make a big deal out of a single death, it's a significant loss that should be recognised.

I'm sorry if you're dissapointed in me and I now realise in retroscape that it was a mistake posting it today (I came across the topic todaty BTW).

There you have it my sincere apology but I hope you recognise that I wasn't out to intentionally insult America and it's people, I had hoped that people would have known me well enough to know that I wouldn't do such a thing.

Do what you will Ziroc it's your forum, your rules and I respect that. I hope you and others still respect me.

Sorry.

<font color="white">It's alright, Sigling, I'm sure you din't MEAN anything by it. If you had done it deliberatly to get people angry then that would be a different matter entirely and i would not be speaking so civilly toy ou now. i'd zap ytou but this isn't the right atmosphere. </font>

<font color="plum"><font color="orange">Sigmar</font>,

I cannot speak for others, but I can assure you that I took no offense at your Post - at least not towards you.

The rhetoric on the site was so completely obsessive and ludicrous that it completely invalidated itself. It didn't take very long to realize where that guy was coming from and how skewed his "observations" were.

May not have been the best site to provide a link to today, but I (for one) do not "hold it against you" in any way.</font>

Well...I...OK

Well sorry for that lttle rant and I'mm glad to hear no one was offended, thanks for the replies Cerek, Kaltia.

Don't worry, I wasn't mad at you, but that you posted the link, and gave that prick some air-time. Those types of people need to be beat.. Where is Rikard? Beat em down Rik! :D

I just don't want to see ANY type 9-11 bashing, and I know you meant only to show people what an ass this guy was, but by doing so, you gave him air-time, and that's exactly what he is looking for. :(

As Memster would say; No worries mate! :D

Don't worry, I wasn't mad at you, but that you posted the link, and gave that prick some air-time. Those types of people need to be beat.. Where is Rikard? Beat em down Rik! :D

I just don't want to see ANY type 9-11 bashing, and I know you meant only to show people what an ass this guy was, but by doing so, you gave him air-time, and that's exactly what he is looking for. :(

As Memster would say; No worries mate! :D </font>[/QUOTE]Thankyou for replying, and I read you loud and clear. I won't be doing that again anytime soon.

BTW-Thanks for bothering to put the chatroom link up, and remember, Don't be a stranger [img]smile.gif[/img]

Sigmar, forget bout it. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Siggy, you're a good guy! [img]smile.gif[/img] Don't worry about it [img]smile.gif[/img]

Rik's still galavanting off with his new girlfriend and refuses to come and see us. [img]graemlins/crying.gif[/img]

Ziroc, I agree completely.
Sigmar, I was offended, but not at you.
Lord Shield, I would never say anything good about the IRA. They tarred and feathered a friend of mine, when she made the mistake of saying the wrong thing in a pub. P.S., I know that this is flippant, but some friends of mine and I went to a St. Patrick's Day party dressed as Black and Tans. I am very glad that your dad and you avoided the attacks, and am more than sorry that Lord Louis Mountbatten didn't.

yes i remember the Mountbatten incident - was most regrettable. i also remember when they blew the building NEXT rto the one Thatcher was in

I'm not sure what to say. I have a feeling my post to Sigmars thread was one of the ones that upset you Ziroc, but I don't remember exactly what I said. Can you email my post to me (or better yet the entire thread?)

I'm sorry if what I said upset you or anyone else, and I understand the sensitive nature of today, but I stand by what I said. I may have said it too hastily though, and it may have come off wrong, but I wasn't trying to incite. Of course, I respect your decision to remove the post/thread (although I think I disagree-not sure yet). It is your board afterall, so I can't cry "freedom of speech."

Anyway, there are loads of other politically intense threads that aren't related to Sept. 11, so I can always go there for good debates.

PS: I hadn't belonged to a forum or chat board for a while before this one (joined a couple months ago). I have to say that the diversity and decorum here has greatly impressed me. I have yet to see even a minor flame war (would that be a flame "conflict" or a flame "police action"? ;) ) and the trolls are dealt with swiftly. Kudos to everybody for bringing some maturity to the Net.

Okay, who the f*ck said that we are all making a big deal outta 9-11. Not to be mean, but honestly, feel some compassion. NY is a great place, the city was awesome, and you just have to spend a day in the city to know how bad it is. Whoever said anything remotely close, spend one day in NYC, and you'll see what "the big production" is.

Sig, I never saw your post, but from the sound of it, the link was the issue. So relax. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Ziroc, I do agree, this is a day of remembering our dead and praying it never happens again.

Like me, I think many people are feeling overwhelmed by the reminders of that day. Sometimes I just can't watch all the shows about the events. It's very depressing :( I can only watch it in small bursts. An hour tonight was my limit for the day, and I was sniffling through the whole thing.

LS, that's scary! I can't imagine how it must feel, knowing your train could have been the one destroyed. :(

[ 09-11-2002, 06:40 PM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

<font color=skyblue>I whole-heartedly agree with this new rule.

You have every right to do as you know best for the interests of those that were hurt during this ordeal.

Those that cannot be sensitive on the one year anniversary do not belong in our cyber-community.</font>

That is the reason for the remembrance today, Cloudsylph, and the fact is that we ALL feel it, no matter which side of the pond we are on. I find it interesting the reaction of those of you in the isles, how you relate this to your own experiences.

I feel very strongly about sneak attacks, having been in the commissary in frankfurt when the petrol station outside was bombed by red october brigade, or something like that, see how they have faded into history already?

Another closer call during the same period in another location off limits to U.S. servicemen simply reinforced my opine about those who employ the methods that lead to the innocent victims we remember today.

I'm not sure of the type of coverage this story is getting in europe, but from the response of the mininsters from abroad, it seems that many do not want the us to light the fuse we grabbed in the desert mountains of afghanistan.

What other choice is there? It seems that the rhetoric to inflame the type of person capable of suicide/homicide bombings must be itself stopped; even if hiding in the guise of religious education.

That is the point at which this is turned into an anti-war. anti-islam, anti-arab, name the political solecism that fits. Those who argue against the simple things like profiling are paving the way for those things more properly known as "war of annihilation". If it is reduced to us vs. them, then the war is only done when there is no more them, nicht wahr?

I have been searching these many weeks for something that tells me that the radical fringe of islam is something that can be cut out, cauterized, x-rayd out of existence like any other virulent organic organism. The measures required make those opposing profiling look lenient.

What then is the solution? I don't have any but the most drastic solutions to offer, not if I am to have any hope that Amanda, and *ahem* her sisters, Kathleen and Kyleia, may grow up in a world where they do not have to worry about being blown up in the next get-even bombing to take place that day.

:( (?) :/ I stop here, if I just hijacked, i apologize, i realize that this is something that would properly be under the war forum, Z, what do you think, either let me know, or do what u feel is most expeditious

I missed all this since my computer's currently in the shop getting a new hard drive put in, but I'd just like to mention that this period of time is a very emotional and difficult period for most, if not all, of us. I think the most important thing to remember is that over this period, let's try to show a bit more tact than normal when dicussing September 11. Think of this not necessarily as an attack on your freedom of speech but as a sign of compassion and courtesy to those for whom this day and week has immense importance. Surely that's not too much to ask. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Cheers and no worries. [img]smile.gif[/img]

No worries Lox, I understand what you mean.

About seeing no 'flamewar posts', It's because the Mods and I rule with an..."Iron" fist :D when it comes to trolls. I have seen many, many webforums that were once awesome (BGDungeon as an example) but the Webmaster kinda lost interest I think, and didn't watch over the forums, and they were taken over by the 'vile ones' (i.e. Trolls) :D .

I've run my website starting in 1994 (Before I bought this domain) and it started out as a simple 3D Modeling site with Sci-fi and stuff, then I added Ironworks and the Forum became HUGE, and now, after 2 years of this forum we're still rock'n, and getting better and better, and meeting great new Members like yourself! I've learned SO MUCH from so many people here, and so glad to have met all of you.

The trolls will never be welcomed here, and the Forums will get bigger and better as each new member signs up.

But you must first submit to the Choc ---> [img]graemlins/choc.gif[/img]
Once thou has bowed to thus Purrmaster, all shall become clear. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

Welcome to the Wild ride called the Ironworks, Lox! Hold on tight! :D

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Truer words have never been spoken!
*Bows to the Purrmaster lest she offend him upon exiting the thread*
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Sure, Z. You are the boss here and I will follow the rules.

I am a Citizen Soldier.

I proudly serve this Nation to defend it's people and the ideals it was founded on from all threats. I am here to lead my troops when my Nation calls. On that tragic day, few were more anxious, felt so helpless, and heartbroken as me and my platoon as we sat in our armory and waited ... and waited .... to be called. It was very difficult to have to tell my troops that we were ordered NOT to go help our neighbors a short 80 miles away in NY. While I was not directly affected, I know those that were. I have stood my watch over key bridges and tunnels in the NY/NJ area, and stared in awe at the lights that marked the Towers. The night they turned off those Lights was especially poignent for me, as it was the night my father's own light went out.

In short - I get it. I just got back from LA and saw a lot of hooey out there about the "Big Deal" that everyone was making of this. They didn't get it (those that wrote and reported the pieces). But, in a way, I see their point. Z, I will try to respect your wishes, and not be too strong on this opinion. But I do find it disheartening when Big Media needs this level of tragedy to give the memorials and all. Unfortunatly, things have been very good and prosperous here in America (my wallet doesn't complain though [img]smile.gif[/img] ), and we have grown (as a whole) complaisant(sp?) and myopic. The whole "It didn't happen in MY backyard" attitude. It is saddening that an event of this magnitude is what sends everyone to the memorials and sparks all the "Rememberance" dramas. It is saddening because EVERYDAY there are people putting it on the line to protect us. Everday a fireman is injured rescuing a family. Everyday a policeman is killed fighting crime. Everyday a soldier in some foreign land will never come home for Christmas again. Every month a family gets an insurance check that is far too little in compensation. And it doesn't matter what country either. It happens on all sides of all ponds. And everyday, these events pass with little notice.

So it seems a little fake when the media comes out en force and ad nausium with the coverage and the documentaries. I sometimes wish the reporters would NOT write the story; would NOT do the 6 hour comemerative video. Instead I wish they would do something less vocal, and bow heads .... have a moment of silence .... maybe raise a glass ......
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and move on. But never forget. Never forget those who have passed. Never forget the lessons we learned. Never again let prosperity cause us to let our guard down, because the day we do ...... is the day it happens all over again.

*raises a glass* - To those who serve in the protection of others, there is no greater love.

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Hate begets hate.
A Soldier is the last to wish for war, but the first to answer its cry.
War is an extension of politics - waged by the old - fought by the young.

*pays homage to the Furry One*

Maybe I'd be less skeptical of the media if everyonce in a while THEY submitted and Bowed to the Meow [img]graemlins/showoff.gif[/img]

PS - Z, you should have a bowing "payshomage" smiley!

[ 09-12-2002, 04:26 AM: Message edited by: Night Stalker ]

LOL! Nightstalker! TEEHEE...a bowing pays homage smiley! Love it! :D

Thanks for the welcome Ziroc. LOL at the "Ironfist" comment [img]smile.gif[/img] .

<font color="#55aacc"> Thumbs up from here Grand Master Z Maybe later when our hearts aren't quite so raw and bleeding we can discuss the media's coverage and our reactions. For right now, I don't really want to think about it. </font>

[ 09-12-2002, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

For once I agree with Majik :D Right on man.

Being the honest person that I am; I WAS one of the people who thought that America was overdoing it. (reread the WAS!!). The thing that really 'changed' me was a documentary I saw yesterday about two French people who were following a rookie-firefighter. I was so impressed and shocked of what I saw, that I cannot understand why I was thinking that way..
Folks: it isn't what it seems, and as harsh as this decision by Ziroc may seem, the fact that this is his forum has nothing to do with it (alright.. a little bit then). I myself believe that he has spoken well by saying that anybody who wishes to call the murder of lots of people 'overdone', should be banned.
Just my [img]graemlins/2cents.gif[/img] , but Ziroc: well said!! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]