hp■pavilion 751n desktop PC

Heres the info stuff:

Intel Pentium 4 Processor 1.8GHz with Intel NetBurst mincro-architecture
256MB(expandable to 1GB) DDR SDRAM with up to 32MB allocated to video memory
80GB Ultra DMA
Integrated SiS650 graphics technology with up to 32MB of shared video memory
Windows XP Home Edition
...And it can burn CD's and play DVDS and all that other stuff [img]tongue.gif[/img]
So, is it a half decent computor? Its about $1 299 US.

yes of course, but it depends what your doing

Mostly gaming, and word processing [img]tongue.gif[/img]

then you sholdn't have any problems

Nope it is not a good computer i think because of this:

"Integrated SiS650 graphics technology with up to 32MB of shared video memory"

You must buy a pc that you can change the graphic card later if you want so for all things dont buy a pc with built in video are sound.

your right, i missed that part

The sound onboard is not as big a deal as video. With current cards at 128MB of ram, 32MB is pretty anorexic.

Mark

Does it *really* make that much of a difference. I don't get much money (a total of $7 a week) and I really doubt that my dad would buy me a new graphics card that costs $200. If it does, then what do you suggest I do?

Does it have an AGP slot, too? If so, you could upgrade later and turn off the onboard video with jumpers or through the BIOS.

Mark

N0, not really. It is possible (in theory at least) to diable the intergrated graphics and install a graphics card. (Provided there is also an AGP slot on the motherboard - ask about this, cos the HP site says not). SiS are also a long way from the best in terms of graphics IIRC. Dont expect to run NWN with all the detail on with graphics chip.

Other than that the system looks fine, and even if those graphics are not upgradeable (on which I woudnt take bets either way, HP have better things to do than check minor (from their perspective) details like that).

Um....It has an AGP card....heres every last single thing they wrote down for this comp

Microprocessor
Intel® Pentium® 4 processor 1.8GHz with■ Intel® NetBurst™ micro-architecture

Frontside Bus
400MHz

Memory
256MB DDR SDRAM (exp. to 1GB) with up to 32MB allocated to video memory


Hard Drive
80GB Ultra DMA Gigabyte (GB) is defined as 1,000,000,000 bytes (accessible capacity may vary)

CD-RW drive
hp CD-Writer (32x/10x/40x) 32x max. speed write 10x max. speed re-write 40x max. speed read

Multimedia Drive
16x max. speed DVD-ROM

Video Graphics
Integrated SiS650 graphics technology with up to 32MB of shared video memory

Network Card
Integrated 10/100Base-T networking interface

Total Drive Bays
External (1) 3.5", (2) 5.25"; Internal (2) 3.5"

Available■Drive Bays
Internal (1) 3.5"

Total Expansion Slots
3 PCI

Available Slots
2 PCI

Total External Ports
6 USB; 2 Serial; 1 parallel; 1 game port; 2 PS/2; 3 IEEE 1394 ports

Available External Ports
6 USB; 2 Serial; 1 parallel; 1 game port; 3 IEEE 1394 ports

Total Memory Slots
2 DIMM (184pin, DDR)

Available Memory Slots
0 DIMM (184 pin, DDR)

Memory Speed
2100 MB/sec

Primary Cache (L1)
8KBytes of Data Cache + Trace Cache containing 12,000 Micro-Op entries

Secondary-Level Cache (L2)
256Kb advanced transfer cache

MPEG
MPEG2 for full-motion digital video

Front Mounted Ports
2 USB, 1 serial port and 1 IEEE 1394 port

Diskette Drive
3.5" (1.44MB)

Operating System
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition

DVD Software
InterVideo WinDVD™

CD-writer software
HP RecordNow

Education and Entertainment
Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia Deluxe Online With 1 Year trial subscription

Video Memory
32MB SDRAM

The SiS650 is an AGP chipset, but its on the motherboard. Some manufacturers making motherboards with onboard graphics like this cut corners by not including and AGP slot to expand with. Your Motherboard has all the hardware to support a replacement AGP card, but no way to actualy install one. And no, you cant install an AGP slot at a later date.

No i cant see that it have a AGP slot available only two pci slots!
Btw you can buy a good pc with no built in video or sound but the pc can have a good grapich card and sound card for that Sir Goulum only ask in the computer shop and say that you want a pc to the same price without this built in thingies no problem at all i think! Then you have a computer that you can "upgrade" later if you want! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Ok, as long as I can play NWN , and it won't be terrible, I'm fine [img]smile.gif[/img]

And NWN and Morrowind would be Unplayable with only 32 meg of video ram!!!!!
Also all new games that come will be almost unplayable to because new games are memory hungry beasts! :D

And NWN and Morrowind would be Unplayable with only 32 meg of video ram!!!!!
Also all new games that come will be almost unplayable to because new games are memory hungry beasts! :D </font>[/QUOTE]...Seriously? Is 48MB better?

[ 09-02-2002, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: Sir Goulum ]

3 PCI slots total, 2 PCI slots free. NO mention of AGP slots at all.

Goulum, I woudnt try NWN with less than 64Mb. Ask at the shop if theres a machine for a similar price with better graphics (or a free slot and you can get graphics later).

Ok..I've got about 2 months to find a good computor, so theres no rush. Could you suggest a computor that has an AGP slot and is under $2000 canadian? I don't seem to have much luck finding one :(

Have you checked out a Dell? http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/produc...n_desktops.htm

Mark

Yes, but I don't think my dad wants to do all the hassle of shipping it. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

IMNSHO avoid anything with intergrated anything like the plague!! As soon as you start getting involved with intergrated things you run into propietary software, which doesnt play well with anything made by anyone else. If I were you I would go with something made by Gateway. I have gotten their stuff before and it is TOTALY upgradeable. Also if it comes with an OS they send you the OS install disk as well. Some companys just ship a backup disk so if you ever get a new HD or have to format your old one you are up a creek.

I could build the exact same pc for around $600.00. I think it's a horrible deal. Integrated graphics are worthless. If you do go with a Pentium pc, make sure that the chip they give you is the Northwood core. Usually the processor has an A or a B designation after it meaning that it is. The Northwood P4's have twice the L2 cache as the Wilamette's did before them.