Yeah, those of you who know what it is know just what I'm talking about. For those of you who don't Raise The Fist. It's basically the homepage for losers, it turns out it's run by a bunch of teenage punks. Are you a homo*, a loser, a 1337 1-1@X0R 8!+C1-1? Well, this site is for you.

*The use of the term homo does not describe homosexual, it describes a person who is anal retentive, annoying, or just plain stupid. These people are hereafter referred to as homos.

nothing but a bunch of anarchist and commie idiots.i like the part where he was whining about his arrest by the fbi.a family member woke him up. in other words,his mommy woke his ass up. :D

Oi, I'm really getting tired of hearing people say 'commie idiots'. Communism cdoesn't make a person wrong, they're still a person just like you and me whether you'd like to admit it or not.

OMG they put that Osama is a hero. That's just stupid.

Did you even read the article on that? It was obviously a troll who left it there to stir up people and get a reaction. All the others on the site who replied certainly had differing views. Now the other article about bush being an idiot is quite a different case. ;)

Bush is no Idiot. He is pretty smart. If Gore was in office he would of never done anything about the Talibain.

Khazadman if you want to call every anarchist and commie an idiot, then I am sure the same can apply to you. Before making smartass comments about other peoples intelligence, look at your post and tell me why you have such horrible writing skills, then ask yourself did you ever finish high school.

I forgot to say assholes are right at home at the site.

Well obviously since you found the site for us [img]smile.gif[/img]

Well I must say I was quite at home there, what would you be implying about me then, eh?

Well obviously since you found the site for us [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Took the words right out of my mouth ;)

Someone told me to look into that site due to my opposition to various flimsy policies...

What Is That Site About??? :confused:

Anarchy, and phony concern. Really it's a bunch of teens trying to sound important. It's not like they're urban terrorists, and it's not like I couldn't get the G crack down on them.

Oh yeah, it's so cooool to slag off people with different views than yourself, isn't it Oblivion & Khazadman.

Well perhaps I think you're 'homos' by which of course I mean some idiotic definition that I just made up because I'm a complete wanker.

Personally I can't stand Anarchists. I consider them all to be fools.

But I don't call them homos. Though I will explain in detail while I consider them and their views to be foolish if they tell me that they're Anarchists.

And I do agree somewhat with Oblivion, a lot of these "Anarchists" are just teenagers who're "fighting against the evil fascist regime" and who consider themselves to be important while in fact noone really cares.

[ 07-29-2002, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: Neb ]

Today, I saw a dog,
Yes, a dog.
Talking to a pig,
Yes, a pig.
They were on the pavement,
Discussing Trotsky.
Not brotsky or crotsky or drotsky or frotsky.
But Trotsky.

:D

My main problem with sites like this is that they tend to be so one sided that you really have to struggle to pull out fact from conjecture and guesswork. With this in mind I must point out that there are many books about the global economy and the rise of corporation domination. Offhand I can think of No logo.

I am leftwing and I guess I can understand the want for some place to air views about topics more general boards like IW hate dealing with. The problem is the abundance of idealism and lack of reality that the sight owners tend to have. The grand statements are childish, this limits greatly any influence the site can have. Unfortunately for these '' anarchists'' for any change to be achieved they must be adults all the time, absolutely calm and collected. The opposite of what they appear to be.

I don't believe in destroying the powers that be to build new world orders, a lot of people die pointlessly that way. I believe in evolving the nation into something more humane gradually. The various anarchists are too much for glory, what was that quote again. The mark of an ignorant man is wanting to die gloriously for a cause, the mark of an enlightened man is to live humbly for it. Something like that anyway. My point being is all the posturing is wasted air when real work can be done. If I was a true anarchist seeking to destroy the state I would never tell anyone about it unless I could trust them deeply. Honestly I laugh a lot at the present face of anarchism and the popular left which tends to be an opportunity to sell t-shirts and make money on people who think they are beginning a revolution. The rebellion of youth is very much these days a calculated business opportunity.

Well, you're a damn moron if you think a race of sheep like ourselves can actually survive an environment of total equality. There's human drive, Anarchy can't last. There's the historical reality, Anarchy doesn't bring anything close to equality. It just brings a decay to true Nietzsche environments. His example that man cannot handle itself without leaders is correct. He himself was a racist, so they say. I doubt it, but I'd have to read his work. We're very much a group that inclines itself to falling in line. It's easier to know that you don't have to think. Besides, Anarchy also means change, something people can't understand. The very workings of socialism are impossible unless implemented on a global scale. If done so, the Marxist dream could be real, and people could follow Plato's Eudaimonia. It's all possible, and I didn't slag all anarchists off, did I? Yes, I did now, as they want the impossible. Before, I said the site was run by a bunch of teens who wanted to feel important. I'm not wrong.

Because if Gore was in office, the Taliban wouldn't have been handed the opportunity they were to take the strike.

yeah, we shouldnt speak out against things like police brutality or unfair labor practices, we should all bend over and get f**ked when we are told to and every one should beleive the exact same thing.

Thanks for the link.

a Homo-Sapien.

How much of what they 'report' actually happens? 10%? 20%? Photoshop, Bias, video editors, and other such factors indicate that this whole thing is really fake, or mostly fake. Unfair labor practices? Do you live in the US? If you do your way of life would be impossible without it.

Silence IS Defeat.

I must agree with what Oblivion says here.

I must agree with what Oblivion says here.</font>[/QUOTE]Its speculation at best.

oh, yeah police brutality never happens...its all made up by photoshop. And since I'm an American I cant stand for/against anything because some other American has probably done it, so I'd be a hypocryte.

To think we can channel our energies to make the world a little bit better place, or at least expose injustice, or we can waste time critisizing those that do and accomplish diddly squat nada.

BTW: There is a link to "Food not Bombs" on that website, if anyone cares to check it out. That organization distributes food to the homeless every weekend at the Boston Common. Or do we create homeless people in photoshop as well? ;)

Chewbacca, he didn't say that it was ALL faked. But that possibly not all of it was real and that sometimes things were left out and biased in favour of the Anarchists. But of course that can't be real, since everything is only ever biased towards the fascist regime and everyone who fights it is so good and nice [img]tongue.gif[/img]

well, i cant comment on the site cause i do not know them or their actions. maybe they are spoiled little kids speaking out of their asses, maybe they actually put their chests were their words are.

i can comment on what i have lived and live here in spain though. i live in the heart of madrid, the neighbourhood lavapies, which is one of the most cultural and ethnically diverse of the city. my building is practically occupied with friends and we share everything, though not in a strictly okupa (squatter) sense. i do live a block away from an okupied building, with close friends of mine living there. so i do know what im talking about when referring to combating police, brutality on their part and fighting the state. im not talking out of my ass or rephrasing what i have read in a book.

my parents were political prisoners in argentina in the mid70s, both being in jail (my dad for 3 years) and only saving their lives cause they were convicted just before the coup de etat and therefore were in a legal status. all because they supported the "commie" ideas. they didnt belong to a terrorist organisation, they just had ties with the more extreme part of the peronist party (montoneros), which later were forced to combat the murderous state along some other organisations like erp (revolutionary peoples army), etc.

lots of their friends were murdered or "disappeared", tortured to death and then thrown in the depths of the rio de la plata. exile followed, then the return with democracy, but things were never the same. i came to madrid 3 years ago, and have felt the tolerance of the right wing government of spanish president aznar in my own skin.

i do not resent the remark "commie idiot". it was a war then it hasnt changed. capitalist ignorant conformists pigs resort to silencing their opposition by intimidation or by their guns... ive come never expect anything better from them to tell you the truth. btw, im not a communist. it never worked and probably never will. being a leftist comes a long way to being a communist. anybody who has read at least a tiny bit of history can tell you that.

Unfortunately, all sides can fake evidence and not tell the whole story. Everybody can make themselves look nicer. Even major newspapers often withhold information (sometimes in order to make the story look 'bigger'). So it's always better to look for more sources of information.

About the site. Yes, there may be lots of teenage anarchists there, but if you look around, you can see that everyone can post an article. Which means that there are also a couple of calm smart people there that know what they're saying.
Oh, and one more thing. More than those teenage anarchists that think they're cool and I see on the page (yes, I agree, some of them are real idiots) I am more afraid of a man that wrote an article I found on the page (the one that posted it isn't the one that wrote it). Here is the link:

http://www.raisethefist.com/news.cgi...733t4a.article

Spela.

Which means what? That since you're a patriot you think that anything against the government or which suggest that it sucks and should be replaced is bad? Or that the US never makes mistakes and anyone that says so is a terrorist and must die?

You can dislike the government without disliking the country, ever consider that?

And it's the best government how? Because it "fights terrorism"? A fake war which can never be won and is basically just an excuse to do whatever they want under the cover of "fighting terrorism"?

Because you have a president which gives us lovely memorable quotes?

"Pollution isn't the problem. Impurities in our air and water are."
-George W. Bush

"More and more of our imports come from abroad!"
-George W. Bush

Yup, really great.....

Like I said, I don't think our governemtis even near perfect but it is better than any other. So stop trying to twist my words around.

Because it has been shouted out all over the world as "The War on Terrorism"? [img]tongue.gif[/img] So therefore it's obviously a war to stop all terrorists, and I have heard of what's been done in the name of the War. And what people had attempted to do. Like Operation TIPS. Pure freedom-ish american goodness, there.

I'll quote the FPS Deus Ex for this one, "You can't fight ideas with bullets." That's true, you can't simply kill terrorists, you have to prove them wrong. Their motive has to be undermined in order to stop their actions. That's just how it is.

Never said that you claimed it to be perfect. But there must be SOMETHING about it which makes it better than all of the others, something that they don't have. And what is that?

Neb,
I realize that I am not a moderator and can't ask this of you and expect you to obey but I am going to ask anyway. Please stop pushing the envelope with Dizzy. He already said he is not going to dignify anyone's replies to what he had to say with a response. Just leave it at that out of respect for a fellow member of IW OK?
It takes an insider to see all the aspects of this country good and bad so until you live here for some time you really can't argue his point with any validity. Not just that, but when people ask to stopped being pushed and someone insists on shoving, it only leads to further arguing that has no resolve and bad feelings where there shouldn't be any. Ask around, most everyone can tell you that I ought to know that well here...and not from being the person doing the shoving...let's just drop any arguments with Dizzy over this one OK?

[ 07-30-2002, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: Moni ]

I bow to your extensive knowledge of world politics.

[ 07-30-2002, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

And I bow to yours. [img]graemlins/moon.gif[/img]

ok. i dont get it. he posts an opinion and then tells everyone not to bother responding cause he is not going to "dignify anyones answers to what he had to say with a response"???

whats the point of posting in a FORUM if you are not going to want people to reply to you??? i mean, if he really didnt want to discuss this issue, he could just exit the thread and not post. and not write a pretty controversial post (thus highly likely to get responses) and they say... hey, i dont care what you have to say. your answers are crap anyways, so im not even going to bother responding them so i dont give them more credit than they are due... yeah, right, whatever... :rolleyes:

In which case, how could anyone claim that your govt is better than anywhere else unless they have lived everywhere else because as you said, it takes an insider to know...

He said that he wasn't going to reply, but perhaps someone else could answer if they had the same opinions as him.

And it just plains annoys me when you've hardly even begun a discussion and someone just goes: "I can't be bothered to discuss this any longer. Just shut up about it already." I can understand that if it's a highly emotional issue, but in cases like this I just find that it's plain rude.

*shrug* Well, no matter, I shall leave it alone unless some other american is willing to carry on the discussion? I CAN argue about the american government even though I haven't experienced it. Because there ARE such things as "the news" which sometimes speak of the US government. Oh, and I echo Epona's comment.

Another thing, I had to reply to one of this since he was accusing me of attempting to twist his words around when I was not.