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uss 07-19-2002 05:40 PM

I`m having a bit of a hard time doing that because there are soo many of them! Should i start playing it from the start? Does Final Fantasy 1 = Ancient game with sh***y graphics? What should i do??

Neb 07-19-2002 05:45 PM

Final Fantasy 4-7 are definitely great games. You should try them. 7 is the best of them.

uss 07-19-2002 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Neb:
Final Fantasy 4-7 are definitely great games. You should try them. 7 is the best of them.
yeah, but where should i start? should i start from FF 1 or 4, oh Nebbly, Nebbly Neb [img]smile.gif[/img] ?

Neb 07-19-2002 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by uss:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Neb:
Final Fantasy 4-7 are definitely great games. You should try them. 7 is the best of them.

yeah, but where should i start? should i start from FF 1 or 4, oh Nebbly, Nebbly Neb [img]smile.gif[/img] ?</font>[/QUOTE]There isn't any story that's present through all of them. So you can start with whichever you want, really [img]tongue.gif[/img]

uss 07-19-2002 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by Neb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uss:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Neb:
Final Fantasy 4-7 are definitely great games. You should try them. 7 is the best of them.

yeah, but where should i start? should i start from FF 1 or 4, oh Nebbly, Nebbly Neb [img]smile.gif[/img] ?</font>[/QUOTE]There isn't any story that's present through all of them. So you can start with whichever you want, really [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Ok, i think i'll start with playing FF 4. Thanks [img]smile.gif[/img] .

andrewas 07-19-2002 06:04 PM

Every FF uses a different world and plot, so theres no need to play them all. And unless you can read Japanese your not going to be able to experience most of the early ones. I did hear rumours a few years back about a project to update FF6 1-6 to use the FF6 engine and be in english, but nothing seems to have come of it.

FF6 (my fave) is easily available on SNES emulator. I would recommend soldering a SNES gamepad to your PC (carefuly) to make the most of the experience. I did. Of course since your emulating a PSX pad would be best. Or even a PC pad if you dont happen to have old pads around.

The early FF's I havent played - FF3 (possibly 3) was also on the SNES site I visited but that version had somewhat massive bugs.

FF7 should still be in budget sections - if there was any justice in the world, which there isnt. Its still my favorite FF. Havent seen it in about a year tho, no idea what the availability situation is in estonia. Its my second favorite FF.

FF8 is still in budget sections as of last month. Its good, the FMV is superb, but the junction/draw system is far too complex and time consuming.

The Materia (FF7) and Esper (FF6) systems were better IMHO.

BTW every FF uses a different system for magic.

FF9 and 10 are only on playstation. Emulable with a Beast of a PC.

FF11 is an online game and I dont think its out yet. It will be on PC tho.

Neb 07-19-2002 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by andrewas:
I would recommend soldering a SNES gamepad to your PC (carefuly) to make the most of the experience. I did. Of course since your emulating a PSX pad would be best. Or even a PC pad if you dont happen to have old pads around.

Don't bother with this. All of the FF games I've played so far have been great fun with just my keyboard. It has nothing to do with the experience whether you use an SNES gamepad or your keyboard.

andrewas 07-19-2002 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Neb:
Don't bother with this. All of the FF games I've played so far have been great fun with just my keyboard. It has nothing to do with the experience whether you use an SNES gamepad or your keyboard.
Well, I happened to have all the parts lying around. Seriously, I looked in my desk drawer and found all the connectors and diodes to make the adapter, which is freaky and an indication I need more interesting stuff to put in my desk drawer. And its not like its hard to do.

Agreed that its not strictly neccessary for FF7 and below, but FF8s boost system needs a controller with a high repeat rate and the keyboard dosent cut it. Although the pulse chip in the pads acting up, but even without Turbo a pads still faster and quiter than the keyboard.

uss 07-19-2002 06:15 PM

uh, i really don`t understand.. are the FFs playable in an average PC? FF 4 is made in 1990(WTF!?), which must mean that it`s freely(and legally) downloadlable somewhere?

andrewas 07-19-2002 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by uss:
uh, i really don`t understand.. are the FFs playable in an average PC? FF 4 is made in 1990(WTF!?), which must mean that it`s freely(and legally) downloadlable somewhere?
Only FF7 and 8 are native to the PC. FF 1-6 are emulable, youll have to look up the sites yourself but its not hard to find. Only three of the first seven are available in english.

FF9 and 10 are emulable with a high-end PC but there are legal issues to do with BIOS ROMS and therefore I woudnt recommend it. And there a HUGE download anyway, couple weeks on dial-up. These issues dont affect 1-6 since the BIOS ROMS for the relevant consoles are public domain now.

Pangur Ban 07-19-2002 08:22 PM

IMO, Final Fantasy games are some of the *best* gaming experiences available. I saved up and got a Playstation 2 just to get FF 10.

Just awesome, in graphics, sound and plot. You don't just play the game, but get swallowed up by the experience. I don't think I've ever seen a game with so many options to play around with ... You could play it time and time again, and still not find all the hidden stuff.

Bahamut 07-20-2002 05:29 AM

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Originally posted by uss:
uh, i really don`t understand.. are the FFs playable in an average PC? FF 4 is made in 1990(WTF!?), which must mean that it`s freely(and legally) downloadlable somewhere?
Um nope... they say you have to have the platform copy... but actually people just don't care anymore... besides the argument there is that first, there are no more games produced and the gaming companies won't make any profit from it anyway since that is the case ;)

Just play it with your PC gamepad.. and then you can configure it the same way an SNES pad acts. I did it with mine ;)

Bruce The Aussie 07-20-2002 06:05 AM

i have downloaded copys of FF1-6 also i have 4 5 & 6 on PSX (recently re-released) i also have FF7, 8, 9 & 10. i guess i'm just a final fantasy nut [img]smile.gif[/img]

if your gonna start playing the series i suggest 7 because it was the best in the series and its easy to play. if you don't want that then all i can say is don't go for 8. the "Junctioning" way of doing things is very very complicated until you get the hang of it.

Lifetime 07-20-2002 06:57 AM

Junctioning wasnt too bad.. I think Final Fantasy 8 cut down on a lot of the unnecessary stuff. FF7 had heaps of status ailments, remedies, special cures, etc and it got to a point where it was nearly a necessity to get Ribbon. I think Square's been refining the combat system ever since then, to a point where they revamped the whole system altogether in FFX. Characters are revived with 1 HP if they die in combat, status ailments like sadness or berserk no longer exist outside of combat (as in they dont carry on after the combat is over), the whole combat system itself is more strategic, is faster, more dynamic, and yet also a lot simpler. For that reason I recommend FFX, but only if you've got a PS2. If you dont, FF7 is definately *DEFINATELY* the way to go. But only if you dont have a PS2 [img]smile.gif[/img]

Bahamut 07-20-2002 07:03 AM

But then FF7 and FF8 on the PC won't work on Detonator Drivers that are above 12.41... so if you have a GeForce driver you have to downgrade... so if you have a PS or PS2 just play it there ;)

Bruce The Aussie 07-20-2002 07:03 AM

lifetime, allthough FFX's battle system is the easyist of all the systems so far the sphere grid is damn complicated making this game harder than you said. also FF7's plot was alot better then FFX's in my opinion.

GokuZool 07-20-2002 07:27 AM

I've played Final Fantasy 3,4,5,6,7 and 10. (FF3 and FF6 are the same) They're all very good! I recommend 6,7,8,9 and 10. I don't know about other countries but in Australia you can pick up Final Fantasy 6 for around $30 with added FMV's and a demo of FFX!

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. I saved up and got a Playstation 2 just to get FF 10.
I did the exact same thing!
The battle system in FFX kicks ass! You can rotate characters in and out making battles more strategic. It's the best console RPG ever! Go buy it! [img]smile.gif[/img]

uss, check out this site, it has information on FF4 to 11 and other great Squaresoft RPG's!

Kakero 07-20-2002 08:07 AM

I actually would prefer FF7 because the character there are still Anime like. all the other later FF titles are kinda westernish.

khazadman 07-20-2002 12:19 PM

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I actually would prefer FF7 because the character there are still Anime like. all the other later FF titles are kinda westernish.
and that is why 8,9,and 10 are better.not much better,but still better none the less.just sick of that damn anime look.
and uss,if you have a ps2,i would recomend ff10.the best ff yet.i used to think 6 was my favorite till i played 10.
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lifetime, allthough FFX's battle system is the easyist of all the systems so far the sphere grid is damn complicated making this game harder than you said.
i found the grid system to be easy myself.it didn't take me long to figure it out.

Deathbringer 07-20-2002 12:33 PM

ah... I remember when I had Final Fantasy 2 on Gameboy!! Got me hooked, until that is, I grew out of it. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Neb 07-20-2002 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by Kakero:
I actually would prefer FF7 because the character there are still Anime like. all the other later FF titles are kinda westernish.
I'll have to agree with that, from what I've seen of FF8, 9 and 10 their characters just aren't as cool. And from what I've seen of Tidus(The main character of FF9 or 10, right?) he looks so awful that I'd never even contemplate getting the game just because I'd have to play as him.

Zarr 07-20-2002 04:50 PM

I've just bought Final Fantasy X and played about seven hours and boy that sphere grid is bloody complicated, I've played Final Fantasy 7,8,9 and I never had any problems with the system but in this one I just don't get it (although I think I'm beginning to get the hang of it). Because of this rather complicated system I'd start with either 7 or 9. The materia system in seven is fairly straight forward and the system of learning abilites from equiped items in 9 is very straight forward. Out of the ones I've played so far I've enjoyed seven and nine the most so I'd start with either one then if you have a playstation 2 buy ten.

250 07-20-2002 05:17 PM

play 7 and 8, although I've never played 10, but try it anyway.

DO NOT, remember, NEVER EVER touch FF9, because ot sucks. it is boring, and it is unimaginative. it is just a reutilized engine with a different story. trust me on this one, it sucks

I lvled to 70 (easily) in disc 1 on top of the whatyacall it kingdom, fighting the birds, then dragons. and had I not done that, the game would be mindless anyway. there is no twist, no accomplishment, no sense of the vastness that FF8 and FF7 were both able to provide which, as far as I see, is the prime importance of FF games.

Zarr 07-20-2002 07:35 PM

I liked FF9 so it just goes to show people will always have different opinions.

Kakero 07-20-2002 09:18 PM

I don't like FF9 too, especially that lead character. uhh...what was squaresoft thinking of?

K T Ong 07-20-2002 09:39 PM

Never liked any of the FF games. Anime puts me off most of the time, and it's doubly off-putting when non-Westerners try to imitate Western-based fantasy concepts, characters and settings. It just doesn't feel authentic. I would have far preferred they did games set in medieval Japan -- after all, only the French can do authentic French cuisine and only the Chinese can do genuine Chinese cuisine. The total lack of a common storyline running through the games doesn't help either. (Compare the games Heretic, Hexen and Hexen II.) Well, perhaps I'd be more forgiving towards the games if they could allow you as much freedom, and be as editable as, say, Morrowind. But no.

Just MY opinions, okay?

[ 07-20-2002, 10:42 PM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

Lifetime 07-20-2002 11:30 PM

I found the Sphere Grid to be pretty fun actually! Takes a while to get the hang of, and poor planning can lead you to dead ends later on, or make your character develop in a different way than you intended, but it is extremely flexible, and doesnt really take that much to get used to.
Oh yeah Neb, Tidus (FFX main character) might look..odd..but people played FF9 where Zidane had a tail, FF8 where Squall wore something of a Manson-ish feather boa around his neck, and FF7 where Cloud wears purple overalls and..thats it.. Personally I like the way Tidus looks. They got almost everything right in FFX, from the way the characters move and speak, which convey exactly what they were meant to be (Tidus as fast and hyperactive, as opposed to Auron's stoicism). You really UNDERSTOOD the characters in FFX, and felt more deeply for them because of the way they were voiced and acted. In terms of presentation of their ideas, feelings and themes, Squaresoft got everything spot on. The only gripe I have is with Yuna's voice, which sounds hurried, soft and rather forced. It just doesnt flow, like the person who voiced here didnt speak English as a first language.

Neb 07-21-2002 12:07 AM

Cloud? Purple overalls? [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] Were you doing shrooms while playing that game? I remember no purple overalls for Cloud [img]tongue.gif[/img] They certainly weren't noticeable.

Can't see what's wrong with a tail, either. Tidus just looked to me, in the pic that I saw, like he had an IQ of 70.

uss 07-21-2002 05:38 AM

Oh, 1 thing, everybody. I saw the movie Final Fantasy and i think it sucks. Would that affect anything? What did you think of it?

GokuZool 07-21-2002 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by Kakero:
I don't like FF9 too, especially that lead character. uhh...what was squaresoft thinking of?
He looks like a girl [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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Oh, 1 thing, everybody. I saw the movie Final Fantasy and i think it sucks. Would that affect anything? What did you think of it?
I thought that the Final Fantasy movie was pretty average, but it was pretty to look out!!

[ 07-21-2002, 06:01 AM: Message edited by: GokuZool ]

andrewas 07-21-2002 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by uss:
Oh, 1 thing, everybody. I saw the movie Final Fantasy and i think it sucks. Would that affect anything? What did you think of it?
I think that movies all right actualy, but then I have weird taste in movies. Dosent actualy have *anything* to do with *any* FF game though, its just the same title. The FF brand was probably brought in in order to sell the film to fans.

Just go get the best game, FF6 and play that. If you dont like 16 bit 320*200 graphics (actualy its TV res which i cant quite remember) then get second best FF7.

Bruce The Aussie 07-21-2002 04:49 PM

i was just wondering how many people here have beaten the any of the super bosses in the final fantasy games? (i.e ruby weapon, emerald weapon, ultima weapon(ff7or8), omega weapon, etc...)

Zarr 07-21-2002 05:26 PM

In FFVII I beat all the weapons in FFVIII I beat both the Ultima and Omega weapons. The Omega weapon was hard you needed to use hero potions that made you invincible to beat it. In FF9 I never beat the big hidden boss because my damn brother wiped off my memory card before I'd beaten it the git.

uss 07-21-2002 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by andrewas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uss:
Oh, 1 thing, everybody. I saw the movie Final Fantasy and i think it sucks. Would that affect anything? What did you think of it?

I think that movies all right actualy, but then I have weird taste in movies. Dosent actualy have *anything* to do with *any* FF game though, its just the same title. The FF brand was probably brought in in order to sell the film to fans.
</font>[/QUOTE]What the hell!? Doesn`t have anything to do with the games? That`s just stupid!

Pangur Ban 07-22-2002 02:43 AM

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What the hell!? Doesn`t have anything to do with the games? That`s just stupid!
Each game is independant of all the others. "Final Fantasy" refers to the last drama/crisis/catastrophe that each world has. Given this, the movie fits into the theme perfectly !!

[img]graemlins/cat3.gif[/img] Pang

Bruce The Aussie 07-22-2002 03:56 AM

the only other problem with the movie fitting with the series is it has none of the trade mark things like chocobos and moogles. and was there a guy called cid?

Lifetime 07-22-2002 10:30 AM

Its got an airship, a guy called Cid (or Sid in the movie), chocobos, Biggs and Wedge, Weapons that you can fight for heaps of rare items.. anyone has any more continuities between the series?

Neb 07-22-2002 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by Lifetime:
Its got an airship, a guy called Cid (or Sid in the movie), chocobos, Biggs and Wedge, Weapons that you can fight for heaps of rare items.. anyone has any more continuities between the series?
At least one sword-wielding character. [img]tongue.gif[/img] And the main character has a habit of being male.... Both magic, technology and medieval weapons together, the strong technology is always evil.(Shinra in FF7 for example.)

At least one character with odd or exceptional hair(Cloud, Faris, Cecil.... Got any others?). Cid is often the guy that has/makes/repairs the airship.


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