she was found striped, poked, and choked. the news shows are all shocked, is is there really bad people like this, running around in our neiborhood? like they have never herd of kiddie rapper's before.

so sad

"so" sad

so angry

no idea about your neighbourhood. never heard of barbeton to be honest

but you get rapists of all kinds all over the place

this doesn't lesson how sick the crime is though

I saw the story on the news and some dope was quoted about how many million school age children there are in the USA and that the percentage of them that are abducted is very small. I guess he was trying to calm people down saying the odds are low that it could happen where you live.

Well, I doubt many could care about the percentages when it ends up being YOUR child that is victimized. Even 1 in a trillion is too many!

Mark

For those who don't know what is going on, the article is here. This is so sad.

Judging by the fact that the killer made no attempt to hide the body (effectively saying "Here I am, come get me."), local police are assuming he's a serial rapist and may strike again.

[ 07-17-2002, 10:56 PM: Message edited by: Rimjaw ]

I hope they will catch him ... and soon.

how awful, that person should be hang immediately when caught.

Thats terrible.. the dirty bastard. I cant believe people like that really do exist in our society. Its beyond comprehension why someone would do such a thing. God what a horrible thing to happen..

there are evil bastards out there.have any of you seen the cops involved in this?they want to get this guy bad.i mean REAL BAD.

<font color="#33ffcc"> Can anyone now doubt that there are truly EVIL people? These kinds of animals need to be shot when caught :( </font>

[ 07-18-2002, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

That's a mild treatment compared to what I'd do if I caught one of these bastards.... Torture is a cruel thing, but if anyone deserves it then it's these kinds of sick people.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, except on one point... This particular sickness is a purely human thing, there is no other species that produces this kind of aberration... animals are far more civilized.

[ 07-18-2002, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: Absynthe ]

They are less than vermin, and once caught and after trial they should be killed, quickly and painlessly because to do otherwise would be to make us, in a small way, like them.

I normally don't recommend people being thrown into a cage full of tigers high on angeldust but I think it's justifiable in this case...

How can someone do a thing like that?

I wholeheartedly agree with you, except on one point... This particular sickness is a purely human thing, there is no other species that produces this kind of aberration... animals are far more civilized.</font>[/QUOTE]<font color="#33ffcc"> Well sexual assault maybe...but animals do eat their young on occasion...not a pretty thing but it happens.....Mostly it is the Male which doesnt say much for our gender :( And animals do NOT do it with a vindictive sadistic will, it is all instinct. Oh and I do believe that the fiend deserves a trial, but if we convict him/her because of overwhelming evidence they should be executed post haste.
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I'd like to be locked up between four walls with a guy like that for five minutes, that's all the time i'm gonna need !

<font color = lightgreen>Not only did the disgusting pervert leave her out in the open to be found quickly and publicly, the fact that it happened so fast--less than 24 hours--shows that he is impulsive, at least. I have heard no other cases like this recently, so I reserve judgement as to whether he is serial; however, now he has whetted his appetite...he may become serial. I hope they catch him before some other young child is harmed.
He left lots of forensic evidence; he wants to be caught (another trait of serial killers) by playing games with police.

Use him for experimental surgery techniques...without anesthesia.</font>

Its all very sick and what starts to worry me, there are getting more and more of these sickos every day.

I saw a case once, which the police of Amsterdam dropped, cause they didn't have time enuf to finish it.
It was about a women, about 20 of age, she was British, come to live in Holland with her Irish boyfriend, met with this sicko, her boyfriend met him as well.

Few days later, the boyfriend reports that his girlfriend is missing to the police.

What happend was, police found her, her arms, legs and head cut off in a bathtub. HOW SICK CAN YOU BE??????!!!!!!!

The boyfriend left to France cause he was afraid of that sicko and cause the police stopped investigating due to "not enuf time"!!!!

Now some police-reporter re-openend the case a few months ago, and they're trying to find him or have already found him.

And then to believe that the hardest punishment in Netherlands was done recently, some dude got prison for life, thats like 20 maybe 30 years here.

The Dutch law-system suckz big time, I hope things will change once the European Union gets together and makes one constitution for all European Union involved countries.

[ 07-18-2002, 02:02 PM: Message edited by: Mirac Honorguard ]

<font color="#33ffcc"> Im not so sure of that. There may actually be numericly more of these events because there are FAR more people than there used to be, but Im not sure that statisticly it is more common than it was before we had every single item available for everyone to read about.

Got to remember every little happening is now heard about on a global basis for the most part. It used to be you never knew what was going on in the next county let alone the next state or country.

What Im trying to point out, is that it would be easy to despair that things are worse than ever when all that is really happening is that you are just now able to know about events more than you were before. </font>

[ 07-18-2002, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

<font color="#33ffcc"> Im not so sure of that. There may actually be numericly more of these events because there are FAR more people than there used to be, but Im not sure that statisticly it is more common than it was before we had every single item available for everyone to read about.

Got to remember every little happening is now heard about on a global basis for the most part. It used to be you never knew what was going on in the next county let alone the next state or country.

What Im trying to point out, is that it would be easy to despair that things are worse than ever when all that is really happening is that you are just now able to know about events more than you were before. </font></font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, your right about that, I'm always a bit over-reacting when things totally piss me off, like these cases (especially our law-system).

I wholeheartedly agree with you, except on one point... This particular sickness is a purely human thing, there is no other species that produces this kind of aberration... animals are far more civilized.</font>[/QUOTE]<font color="#33ffcc"> Well sexual assault maybe...but animals do eat their young on occasion...not a pretty thing but it happens.....Mostly it is the Male which doesnt say much for our gender :( And animals do NOT do it with a vindictive sadistic will, it is all instinct. Oh and I do believe that the fiend deserves a trial, but if we convict him/her because of overwhelming evidence they should be executed post haste.
</font></font>[/QUOTE]Good points. I guess my distinction would be the act of instinct - usually due to overcrowding - that causes infanticide, as opposed to the twisted mind that enjoys abduction/torture/rape etc. Not only are we the only species with members who kill and maim others for joy, we are also the only one to allow those that do to live. In every other species, any individual that goes rogue for whatever reason is either driven off or killed outright. The immediate execution of people who do this sort of crime is the only safe course of action open to us. It's almost unfathomable to me the lengths we go to to preserve the lives of inarguably dangerous individuals.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, except on one point... This particular sickness is a purely human thing, there is no other species that produces this kind of aberration... animals are far more civilized.</font>[/QUOTE]Chimpanzees have been observed and documented as engaging in 'dynastic abductions' in which children of a particular dominant 'family' are pre-meditatedly stolen and eaten, resulting in a power-struggle in which usually one of two rival groups is exterminated or violently subdued.
Dolphins also engage in pre-meditated murder and thought-out attacks against members of their own groups.

I think the bottom line is; the larger the brain, the larger the temptation for power and self-indulgence. Whoever murdered that girl has little mental capacity for controlling of their violent, sexual impulses and as such is a degenerate cretin. Murdering him (and evidence suggests that the offender is male) upon capture might be good for sating society's wrath, but it would be more expedient to put him to work as expendable labour in the mines or some such area where he will probably die quite quickly anyway.

Whoops. Time to update my preconceptions... I didn't know either of these things, though I'm not too surprised about the primates. I dimly recall something about cannibalism from a Physical Anthro class, but that was almost twenty years ago...
Dolphins too? That's rather depressing. I'm seeing Flipper in a whole new light, now.

Whoa... a five-eyar-old kid? Give me a break.

I mean yes, it is indeed dumb and pathetic to do it but a five year old? Geez this girl might not even have experience some facts of life yet.. and to do it in front of her playmate was really crushing. I'd rather die or be killed than see my significant other be raped...

Considering they were kids though... they might not even grasp the whole weight of the situation... dang...

I personally dont care how much these people suffer. They sure werent humane to their victim. As far as that goes the only thing that would make us more like them is if we enjoyed their suffering. I certainly wouldnt "get off" on their pain but it wouldnt bother me to know they suffered an agonising death. They should get what the victin went through----TENFOLD.

IF they DIDNT suffer-- that would be an injustice.

Hang the Bastard
Hang him high
Hoist his body to the sky
Its as nice as a day can be
Wont ya come to the hangin with me??

*excerpt from Cannibal: The Musical* Written by Trey Parker and Matt Stone

True Earthdog, I woudnt mind if the killer suffered a bit. But torture wont bring back Samantha, and nothing that could be done to him would equal what he did to her.

If there is a god, on which subject im not interested in another debate, then He should be more than capable of dealing with this person. And if there isnt then there is nothing to be done in any case.

it might not bring the samantha back but it's what the bastard deserves.i think putting him in a cage in full view of the public to starve to death would be a nice start.and when he was too weak to defend himself,they should put in rats to eat him alive.

Right. And then they should tape pieces of cheese all over him so the rats will know to eat into him gradual-like. :rolleyes:

There's quite a great deal of difference between justice and revenge. It's unnerving to see how many bloodthirsty people we have in here.

-Sazerac

Okay, this'll be quite controversial... no flames, please!

There are quite a few bloodthirsty people in here, true. But we humans react that way if someone or something tzhreatens our way of life. The fact is, thjat we humans are basically Instinct-contrilled, sexist, racist, nationalist, individualist, etc... beings. By instinct, we refuse any change imposed on us by others. We have to live with it.

Living in a huge, densely connected society as ours puts a lot of subliminal stress on the individual, because we know almost instantly what happens 12000 kilometres away. We know about thousands of sickos like Robert Steinhaüser, Saddam, The 9/11 Hijackers, and so on. Because of the size of our Nations, and of the extreme exchange of information in our World, we hear of things that otherwise wouldn't have influenced us at all. This means that we are constantly forced to change something. Imposed Change is against human nature, so we react rather forcefully. These reactions include the thoughts of imposing extreme violence on the ones responsible for the changes. It's just Human nature, thus, it's normal.

Again: Please, no flames!

Well they have arrested their suspect, a 27 year old man who looks exactly like the sketch.
Let's hope justice prevails.

That can be done in just one way !

What is much worse in IMHO is the millions of fathers, grandfathers and uncles or what not that sexualy mollest there children...that go un punished and unspoken... from the exasperating percentage of woman I have encountered about 40% were molested as a child or raped as an adult... and far more would never dream of talking about it or have forgoten because they were so young..

These people pray I never run into them...

I never said anything about torturing anyone. I said it wouldnt bother me if the b*st*rd suffered an agonising death. Tell that little girls parents about fairness. I never even made a suggestion as to how it should be done.

I wouldnt care how it was done as long as his death wasnt quick and painless. Shoot him in the ankles and let him bleed to death. mash him inch by inch under a ssteam roller. Lower him into a tub of molten steel. Doesnt bother me as long as he doesnt die "instantly".

On the other hand you could give him to the family of the victim and let them meet out his punishment.

What a lovely way to describe it. Was this the headline from the local paper, or did the child's Father describe it like this?

Do nut be confused as to which member of the collective this is!