He's going to get it one of these days.DJ....You will go down by my hand.I'm sick of him bossing me around.Making fun of me and my friends.If his mom was'nt my baseballl coach I would have already kicked his butt.One day he will push me to far.Someday I will release all my anger on him.All those times I was made fun,of,cheated,despised,and all the things that DJ has said will be taken out upon him when he does push me to far.Just because he's a 6th grader does'nt mean he can beat me up.Just because all of his friends are there to back him up does'nt mean I won't beat him up.Just because he is older does not give him permission to boss me around.Just because his mom is the coach does'nt mean I will not try my hardest to beat him.......................................

[ 06-21-2002, 12:21 PM: Message edited by: SomeGuy ]

I recognize your frustration but that is all he is attempting to do is frustrate you. You've probably heard this before, but he is not worth the effort or the time involved in retaliating. Remember you must live with your actions and the consequences of those actions. All you'd be doing is stooping to his level and reducing yourself to no more of a bully than he is. Find a more creative way to deal with the problem that doesn't involve violence. I used to be a very violent individual and spent some time in jail when I was younger because of it.
Not to give you any bad ideas, but grade 6? At that age, appearance and acceptance by ones peers is very important. When I was in grade 6 I vaguely seem to remember an incident with the school bully, some itching powder and gym shorts!

I've had to deal with bastards like that as well. I just ignored them most of the time, didn't even bother with any sort of revenge. Best solution there is. They'll get theirs someday, and if you're not the one that gives it to them you won't suffer from "an eye for an eye".

<font color=Orange>I feel your pain, someguy. My bro pisses me off 24/7. One time, I got so mad I pulverized his warhammer set, but I'll tell you that accomplishes nuttin. Follow wise man nebs advice.</font>

Warhammer set?

<font color=Orange>Warhammer is these little plastic guys that you paint and glue together. Most are plastic but some are metal. I flattened em. Even the metal ones. He got pissed at me and well...lets not go there</font>

I am not going to stand over you and give you a lecture, man. I have also spent time in chail at a young age because I lashed out and caused SERIOUS damage to a person/s who was constantly getting on my t*ts.
My advice: If you really want to, go for him. But get in some martial arts. I used to live in a VERY rough area, and I got most of my fights on the streets by amatuer muggers who thought a kitchen blade would protect them from my 6 foot frame. Martial arts helped me, though. Who knows, maybe this hobby may even let you focus on something else, instead.

Stop worrying so much Someguy, i remember you posted something similar not too long ago about your baseballteam. And if i'm not mistaking you hit the gamewinning point a day later. Stop worrying about jerks around you and focus on your game. You'll thank me one day when you made it to the Majors ! :D

Did you ever consider it might just be jealousy ? When i was in school i sometimes got a few days off to go play a tournament. When i came back, the kids in my class picked on me just because i got a few days off and they didn't. If it is jealousy, it's actually more of a compliment. that means they think you're better then them.

I can see your really pissed off here someguy. Wow, if this was all true and not exaggerated , I can only offer you a lesson from my past to help you in some way.
When I was going through school, at 13 ,(couple years older than you.) there was this macho guy on the football team. Big guy and had alot of friends that hung out with him.
We didn't hit it off to good to start with and as the year progressed, the matter got worse. There wasn't anywhere I would go without him and his friends showing up sooner or later and it got to the point where they actually planned stuff to do to me. Not that I had any beef with his friends, they just followed for some reason because they were on the football team to I imagine.
Well, one day I saw him alone and had the guts to confront him. I went up to him grabbing his shirt and said "lets go football boy".
He was imediately starting to talk his way out of it and I all of a sudden had a slight upper hand. No ego to inflate in front of his friends luckily for me.</p> Well, Im no dummy someguy, no violence happened , thankfully [img]redface.gif[/img] (he was huge!) and we bacame good friends after that. I even hung out with some of his friends after that also. A little intense mybe for some but thats part of me and life.

Personally I'd still recommend for noone to try this even though it worked for you, Conan. You might find that the person you tried this on is an aggressive bastard that carries a knife. Or has a lot of friends that have no problems helping him beat you to a bloody pulp.

If you must stand up to a bully I'd suggest doing it verbally, instead of bluffing them physically. I did that with some bullies I had and it worked for me. Always choose the peaceful way out, turn the other cheek, do to others as you want them to do unto you and so on. Whatever you do returns to you in some way, so choose the violent way with others, and others will choose the violent way with you.

Well violence is never the answer......but if you give a good fight whenever someone picks on you people will eventually leave you alone ;) Try punking him out verbally first though. Most bullys do not have amazing verbal jabs which is why they rely on the physical ones ;)

[ 06-21-2002, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: caleb ]

I agree completely! You have no idea what this guy's MO is. A knife or a gun could put a damper on your day real fast. Granted, you do have to stand up to bullies, but make sure you know what your getting yourself into first. Having spent some time on the police force, I've seen situations very similiar to this one that ended very badly. Remember if he's not an adult, he's got nothing to lose as it will be wiped clean when he's of age. If it's a real problem then talk to someone about it. A teacher, parent or even the police are viable options if it's that bad. If not, just turn the other cheek, but if he becomes violent, don't be afraid to defend yourself. Never be the aggressor!

ah, i know exactly what youre talking about. i had this so-called friend who keeps making fun of me. i get very angry when people make fun of me and stuff like that. maybe even TOO angry. one day though, i will do something about it. i hope i finally make a smart move which changes my popularity forever..

;) good advise you guys.
But like I said before, I never hit anyone, and it was solved peacefully through one on one disscussion. Not when his ego was on the line or his friends were around. nothing to prove, or nothing to lose.

I guess you're just lucky that guy was a sissy, 9 out of 10 times he would probably wait for you at some place with the entire footballteam to back him up, then you prob wouldn't talk your way out of it. It usually goes that way, i like your style though, you scared him before he could do it to you. :D

Blimey Scott, I can't imagine anyone picking on you, you look like you could handle yourself OK in a ruck [img]smile.gif[/img]

the way I see it , you have 2 choices , someguy. You can beat this little S.O.B. till blue stuff runns out of his ears or you can use the internet to get revenge.

To use the internet all you have to do is go to any good search engine and type in "mom Jokes". Then memorize as many as your penguin brain can hold. As soon as you have become a master of the mom joke you can crush this little twit with an endless stream of "Your momma's so fat/thin/ugly/druggedup /ect..." that he will cry and scream in frustration.

Here is a little scenario for ya.....

You : hey DJ do you have my wallet?

Him: No, why?

You: Cuz I forgot it on your moms dresser after I paid her,and she said you would bring it to me!

Him: angry/dumbfounded look

You :GIGGLE!!

mom jokes work best when there are people around because then the others tend to try to get in on the action.

Okay first of all Hunter of Jahanna.HIS MOM AND DAD ARE THE COACHES OF THE BASEBALL TEAM!!!!!!!And second um scratch that there is no second.

Hunter, why do you suggest violence that might end badly for him as well as mark him as a prime target for revenge? Violence breeds violence, an eye for an eye makes everyone blind.

Plus, "mom jokes" are more likely to get him stabbed, punched or pushed into oncoming traffic than to make the bully stop.

emmm..is he part of the baseball team? if yes, then do this, when it's your turn to throw the ball. you can "accidentally" throw the ball at him, make it 100mph. ;)

two, when it your turn to hit the ball, hit the ball straight at him or " accidentally " throw the bat right at him. you can always say " opps, I slipped! " ;)

Well , Neb when I was a wee nipper I was bullied a lot. I found that the only way to make it stop was to do something that realy hurt the bullie badly. Eventualy after a few kids had to be carried to the nure I was left alone. If someguy gives this guy a good smack in the head now , it might make thing easier for him later.

As for mom jokes getting some one stabbed or shot?? That is COMPLETELY crazy!! If you are going to stab someone over a mom joke then you deserve to go to jail for a very very long time.

Some Guy , if this kids parents are the coaches then can you get on another team??

Well, Hunter, I AM a kid and I WAS bullied a lot. I got rid of it the peaceful way, by ignoring it and just turning the other cheek. Eventually they got tired of annoying me and left me alone. And if he gives him a good smack in the head now he might get one back later, or something worse, trust me, some people are REALLY messed up.

Trust me on the jokes, Hunter, like I said, some people are seriously crazy. There ARE some people who would stab or shoot you just for looking at them wrong, you never know how psycho someone really is till you do the wrong thing..... Anyway, just ignoring him is much safer.

Neb, you must have gone through a lot of scary moments in your youth, considdering the way you dealt with bullies. I agree with Hunter of Jahanna here, once you let them slap you, they'll do it again and again. You say you got away with it your way, i say that's pretty unique. Normally they stay around longer than you wish. Everyone has encountered a bully once or twice in his lifetime and turning the other cheak is not the right way in my opinion. Back in highschool i had to deal with a guy who was just too big for me. In a fair fight i was no match for him. Does that mean i have to avoid him for as long i'm a student at that school. I decided otherwise and waited for my chance, when it came i had a big stick and gave him a beating he probably still has nightmares about. I'm not saying this to bragg or anything, but sometimes you gotta make a stand, nobody at school ever messed with me again.

Like I said if you give em a good fight they will eventually leave you alone. You gotta remember not everyone believes in karma or the three fold reed ;)

Well , Neb when I was a wee nipper I was bullied a lot. I found that the only way to make it stop was to do something that realy hurt the bullie badly. Eventualy after a few kids had to be carried to the nure I was left alone. If someguy gives this guy a good smack in the head now , it might make thing easier for him later.</font>[/QUOTE]So what you are saying is that in fighting a bully, you stooped to their level and became one yourself ? You must be really proud :rolleyes: .

Yes how dare he fight back.

I say go for it. Either you win and you will feel very good and brave and manly about it. Or you lose, in which case you might end up in intensive care or just a couple of bruises. A fight isn't the end of the world, at least when you're eleven it isn't.

Well , Neb when I was a wee nipper I was bullied a lot. I found that the only way to make it stop was to do something that realy hurt the bullie badly. Eventualy after a few kids had to be carried to the nure I was left alone. If someguy gives this guy a good smack in the head now , it might make thing easier for him later.</font>[/QUOTE]So what you are saying is that in fighting a bully, you stooped to their level and became one yourself ? You must be really proud :rolleyes: .</font>[/QUOTE]<font color="lawngreen" face="trebuchet MS">Are you a teen JR? Believe me... no matter what teachers or adults try to teach you... telling people to stop will not gain you any respect from them... nor make them stop.... and telling on them to a teacher will just make things worse... because then other people will lose their respect for you.... now I cant say that that IS the way it is everywhere at schools... but at my school it is... I know... It hasnt happened to me... but I have seen it happen all to many times.... When you are in a situation like this you only really have a few choices...

You can ask them to stop... but the bully plain and simply WONT, unless they arent truly bullying you.. and they were just having a joke.. on which case all is better...

You can ignore it but they will continue.. and it hurts more because your just standing there and letting it happen to yourself, but on some few occasions this actually works... and they leave you alone...

You can have a go back at them verbally, which isnt the sort of thing that happens when your 11 years old.. well it never did 4 years ago for me [img]tongue.gif[/img] .. but when you do its pretty well alot of swearing and having a go at each other... which is usually the most painless way... but very messy and your bound to get in trouble for it... and unfortunately it doesnt always stop the bullying.

You can fight them... which is IMO ALWAYS a last resort... this is always painful if it actually gets into a fight... but more than once has bullying stopped at my skool from someone giving them a solid wake in the nose... but unfortunately this sometimes turns into a fight... then everybody gets in trouble and hurt.... but this has always stopped the bullying AFAIK.

Or you can tell a teacher... which is always IMO the worst thing to do.... It plain and simply makes the bully loathe you and they might stop from bullying you to your face... but they begin to sway other peoples opinions of you... and unfortunately by doing this you lose the respect of many of your skool mates...

Now I dont want to advise that you hit the bully or you have a go at them... even though I believe they are the most effective.... but If you do choose to tell a teacher I hope for you that because you are only 11 that your friends and peers wont go against you because of it.... and if you do tell a teacher... ask them to catch the bully out while they are doing it... ask them to make as sure as possible that it looks like you didnt say a word to them and they just saw the bullying going on.... because it would be horrible for you to lose many of your peers respect over telling on a bully :( .</font>

Trying to take him down may be the only reason to show this guy that he has gone too far, you might not win, but he might respect you for finally standing up for yourself, I would at least.

Well, someguy you have alot of good advise here.
When I come off vacation I will be intrested in hearing how it turns out little buddy.
Im sure it will work out to the best for you. Determination and hard work will always prevail in your baseball playing also. You can win respect of all your peers then, including the bully if you come up with a game winning hit.
Have a good summer and someguy- put all the catchers gear on at least if you do decide to wrestle it out with that guy ;)

Ah,I have a baseball game TODAY!Now I can see if I can get him to stop. [img]smile.gif[/img] I will make sure that he WILL stop. ;)

I could handle all the other things the bully said.But this,this is just sick.He is now making fun of my family.He called my mom a bit**.I asked him to stop and he's not.He is going down now.That's just disgusting.

<font color="silver">DAMN!!! I know you proboly arn't going to read this until its too late but DON'T START ANYTHING!!!

Dude listen to me. The same thing happened to me. Ben Zeh was being an @$$hole to me all year so finnaly I went at him... unfortunetly it was right in front of the Teacher's Lounge. I was walking next to him, comming out of lunch and I put my arm around his sholders in a friendly way and said "why hi ben! How are you??" Then I procceded to strangle him. well he threw me into a wall and I (being a soccer and track player) kicked him in the knee. He went down in pain then came back up, threw me into the wall agian and started twisting my arm... painfully... so I punched him and he was about to deck me when a teacher stopped us. I barley got out of being reported to the police for assault which would have landed me in juvie. I was real lucky and got an in-school. Also got passed over for national honours society, got a big black mark put on my recored by the principle, got in alot of trouble with my parents and with the teachers.

Dude, don't do it. Its not worth it. It ruined my life last year. (Well my school life anyway.)

And that mark will be on my record and my mind for the rest of my life.

Just very good advice from someone who had it happen to him and didn't get the worst but what I got was terrible.

Also note: I didn't read anything but the very beginning... its just the way I work. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>

[ 06-22-2002, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: Sir Mandorallen ]

But I have'nt done anything yet! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Um , sir mandorallan , once you get into the real world there is no such thing as a black mark on your record. If employers cared if people got into fights as kids I dont think very many people would have jobs.

For Someguy, if you had studied up on the mom jokes you would have been prepared for this kid calling your mom names. Preparedness is the key to victory!! Whats done is done and there is no sense in dwelling on it.Now what I want to know is since this kid isnt going to leave you alone , what are YOU going to do? Will you ignore him , fight back , get some parents involved or some thing else that hasnt been already suggested??

<font color="silver">Oh. Thats good.

**whew!**

I thought by that one post, you were ready to walk out the door and hunt him down.

Just keep my advice in mind. I think my high standereds and grades was the only thing that kept me from the police, suspension, and alot, of alot more trouble.

IMHO, its not worth it.</font>

<font color="silver">Ah, yes. But it IS a black mark when you get sent to juvie for assualt. Its what I almost got... ah the power of persuasion.

Anyway, SomeGuy, the best advice is... do what YOU think is best, but don't do something you will regret. </font>

Well, if you ask me that's more a matter of the wrong place at the wrong time, if he's going to fight the kid he will, unless anyone feels like travelling over to his house to physically stop him. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
I don't know how that could have landed you in Juvenile though, I've seen fights a lot worse that which ended up in practically nothing, and been in them myself, although I've never started a fight.
I don't know though, maybe rules on that sort of thing are a bit more lax in England. ;)

<font color="silver">Belive me, in the States they are crunching down on everthing. If you did a bomb threat you get time in prison. PRISON!

I don't know about other countries though. Its pretty bad over here.

Anyway, my advice is...

Do what you think is best. Do what you think should be done. Just don't do something you are going to regret.</font>