This time it's Saddam's brother or cousin or someone. Apparently his head was ripped off by the force of the noose.

<font color=8fbc8f>Too Cool. We were eating dinner when it was broadcast on the evening news. One beheading for another, rebels 3, <s>US</s> Free Iraq 1!</font>

Translation: Muslim r-tards are still being r-tarded. News at 11.

Why does it matter that they're Muslim?

Was this one on TV too?

Yeah, there is some footage on the web that can be found. Google for it if you want, i've seen it, and it's too disgusting to post it here.

Because they tend towards r-tardation.

W00t outright prejudice ftw!! I tried to be open minded, really I did. But the world keeps making me a prejudice asshole.

Then newsreports like this won't do those thoughts any good.....

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...984530,00.html

And of course some footage to make it extra spicey. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MSFbhIG-sk

I copletely agree though, Islam is a retarded religeon, but then again, so are the others.

Well, fine, just be one somewhere else. I don't think anyone here has time for bigotry and racism. Throw in your two cents when we're not on a subject where you just launch unfounded attacks on entire religions.

At least Johnny hates all religion, that's some form of equality, and a completely different debate.

Well, fine, just be one somewhere else. I don't think anyone here has time for bigotry and racism. Throw in your two cents when we're not on a subject where you just launch unfounded attacks on entire religions.

At least Johnny hates all religion, that's some form of equality, and a completely different debate. </font>[/QUOTE]You're not familiar with TL's style yet are you?

Well, fine, just be one somewhere else. I don't think anyone here has time for bigotry and racism. Throw in your two cents when we're not on a subject where you just launch unfounded attacks on entire religions.

At least Johnny hates all religion, that's some form of equality, and a completely different debate. </font>[/QUOTE]You're not familiar with TL's style yet are you? </font>[/QUOTE]I have a feeling he probably is. ;)

General comment - let's try and ease up a bit on the religion bashing. Generalising is usually not a good idea.

[ 01-18-2007, 09:02 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

I am fair and equal. I hate everybody and insult everyone. And I realize there's a religious discussion moratorium, but let's suffice to say Johnny and I tend to agree on that.

Yes, well, if your only contribution is to hate and insult everybody, then you're hardly doing much but shoving the debate closer to a flamewar.

It's not a constructive viewpoint or one that adds anything useful.

That's pretty rich coming from the guy who has been banned for trolling several times on different forums.

Your sentiment is fine, but your delivery needs work.

[ 01-18-2007, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: Luther ]

Please, that that crap to PM or off of IW. I have no intention of dragging any off-forum problems with me here.

And for the record, I've been banned from one forum for trolling, another because someone I knew trolled and a third because of completely non-trolling-related reasons. Please try to get the truth right, thank you, and from now on, keep this crap in PM. If you think I'm planning some sort of horrible retributive strike against IW for... Letting me leave of my own volition? Then PM the mods. If you think I'm a total dick and you want to tell me so, then PM me and I'll cheerfully ignore you.

<font color=8fbc8f>Hmm, TL being portrayed as a bigot, hater, and a shover? Hang around long enough, and you might just get boiled over. This IS TLs arena. And, yea'll, he pretty much summed it up, he hates everybody, and insults everyone.

Take it for what it's worth and move on (get over it). It is not the first time, and surely won't be the last time on this forum somebody got their panties in a uproar.

The rules for current events are a little bit different than elsewhere here on IW. May I direct you to the top four 'sticky' threads, here you will find those rules.

And don't be a:</font>
http://ck.kolivas.org/pictures/troll...for%20hate.jpg

Edit: Darn, whilst I was finding Mr T, you have already been been accosted.

[ 01-18-2007, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: Felix The Assassin ]

Well, I have no intention of tolerating remarks like "Muslims tend towards r-tardation."

Hating everything is not an argument, it's not part of a debate. Throwing it into arguments here is akin to pointless spam. You also completely misinterpret my posts, I'm not being angry here, his posts aren't going to make me start a flame-war or sputter. But I still intend to refute every statement of that order of ridiculousness and to tell him to take such childishness elsewhere.

That's pretty rich coming from the guy who has been banned for trolling several times on different forums.

Your sentiment is fine, but your delivery needs work. </font>[/QUOTE]Uncalled for. The fact that PurpleXVI is here means that Ziroc has already given him grace. If you want to be condescending towards another member, I advise you to bring to PM.

Attack the viewpoint, not the person.

If you do not have constructive reasons for replying, then please do not reply.
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To All,

Please remain on-topic from this point on. Further sniping and backhanded insults will not be viewed favourably, and action WILL be taken.

Cheers.

/cry
/wrist

Every forum needs a big middle finger, and since no one else will take the role, I happily assume it. I promise you there is much to appreciate about my tongue-in-cheek stream-of-consciousness devil's advocate point of view. I promise. No, really, just ask me.

No, every forum does not need a big middle finger.

A devil's advocate is handy, yes, since he makes sure that everyone isn't just sitting in a circle, giving each other handjobs for being so right.

However, you are not being a devil's advocate, you are merely insulting all of the sides involved in the situation, being inflammatory.

If you had somehow managed to tie Sharia law(Which isn't Muslim, but still.) or some part of the Qu'ran into this thing, then you might have had an argument of some sort. Instead, you said nothing. You just said: "Lol, muslims r dumb." How much would I contribute if I replied to the Australian terror threat thread with: "Man, this is all because Australians are retarded." And someone goes: "Why?" And I say: "Because Australians tend to be retarded!"?

Nothing, that's how much.

The devil's advocate makes the unpopular argument, like, say, that Fascism has it's advantages. You're not making an argument.

[ 01-19-2007, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: PurpleXVI ]

Ok, enough with the handbagging. Stick to the topic. If you two want to carry on like pork chops, exchange email addresses so you don't bother everyone else. Any more handbagging in this thread and it'll be locked and yellow cards will be issued out (it's been a long time, I have to go find my yellow cards :D ).

I've noticed a bit of Muslim bashing around here lately, let's avoid that. We have a moratorium for a reason - this is it. I was hoping that we could talk about religion-related world events in the Mideast in a sensible manner, but obviously we can't.

Timber (and Johnny), please leave off the namecalling of Muslims. We don't have many Muslim members here, but I'm pretty sure they're not all retards. What you call them in your private lives is your own business. And Neb, leave off Timber. Any future posts of his which concern you from a content perspective, click on the Report Post button and someone will address it in time.

Now let's move on. I hope all posts after this one will be on-topic. As I said if you want to carry on your disagreement, do it offline or via PM. Cheers.

[ 01-19-2007, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

Yeah, on topic....

Empirical evidence suggests that Muslim cultures, once a source of enlightenment, have gone nowhere and added absolutely zero to the world since the fall of the remnants of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI. Since that time they have gradually left reason by the wayside and instead backslid into mysogyny, anti-semetism, myth, propaganda.

While the notion of truthiness is a growing concern for America, where so much of what people believe to be true is based on belief and emotion and not facts, it is a way of life in the middle east.

I'll just let Glenn Beck make the arguments for me. Muslim countries have been overrun by extremism, and you need to look at their agenda and means of achieving that agenda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5422LKhSVTc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vCUC...elated&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpgs...elated&search=

Here, he actually uses a Muslim r-tard to help establish their r-tardedness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqAhR...elated&search=

And, a fine example of r-tardedness, here's President Tommie Ahmadinetard praying for Armageddon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKcam...elated&search=

Universally, Muslims hate Israel and all jews. Tell me if I've got this wrong, but I've not seen any Muslim groups sticking up for jews.

If they are allowed to universally hate a group of people, so am I.

Muslim societies are a cancor sore upon this planet, anathema to peaceful society, and as I understand it they tend to not only wish and pray for, but also work to bring about.... Armageddon.

They're the new lazy immigrants sucking up social resources in Europe and causing lots of social trouble by routinely beating their wives... which they can't seem to understand is not permissible in our land of infidels. They're the new trailer park trash of Europe.

At their very best, Muslim societies simply offer a haven for our companies where they can pay lower wages for menial labor, like those annoying computer "help" line people we all try to talk to for 5 minutes before saying "give me someone who I can understand, please."

These societies give nothing, accomplish nothing, do nothing, and contribute nothing. They are nothing more than a drain on the rest of the world. The only thing they have worth wanting is the oil some of them happen to be lucky enough to float on top of, and our leaders readily kneel down to perform fellatio to those Muslims, a sickening and disgusting habit that should be done away with... what ever happened to taking what we wanted instead of kissing ass for it? When did we conquerers and empire-builders become such pussies?

I have many more thoughts on this, but not much more time at present, nor the patience to keep trying to organize my thoughts on this issue.

And please note, everything I have said here goes to the socio-economics of Muslim societies -- I have not discussed (I hope) the religion of Muslimism. I think depending on your interpretation of that religion, it could have some problems as well, but perhaps the biggest problem is that there are generally 2 VASTLY different interpretations on that religion --- one of which wants to see the whole world in flames. Not good.

Just for the record, i'm not calling any muslims retards (basically because i don't know that many to begin with, thank goodness for that), but i'm calling Islam retarded, the whole purpose of it. I think religeon as a whole is something we could easily do without, but Islam is king of the hill in this category. But if that cannot be discussed either, i'll just leave it at that, it's all good with me.

Btw...TL pretty much summed it up, couldn't have said it better. Well, perhaps i could, but then i would be crossing a few lines. :D

I also agree with Timber (for the same reasons and more), but then that shouldn't surprise anyone.

Death is an everyday occurance in Iraq and Error has been a central theme since the United States purchased the place a few years back. Who cares if one mere dude's head was ripped off when it probably happens x100 everyday!? Relatively speaking this death is a drop in the death bucket. Really- I can care less about dead Iraqis. Screw them. We got rid of Saddam- who most of them allegedly hated, so now they can screw the place or love the place all they want. It is their's after all. None of my business(like it ever was in the first place- HAHAHAHAHA). What matters now is that Family gets home from that hell- not dead or worst.

[ 01-25-2007, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

On the original topic, dead is dead, what difference does it make? Is beheading some kind of insult in Islam? They seem to make use of it when it suits their needs.

Please don't conflate Al Qaeda or the insurgents with Islam in general. Islam that actually follows the Qu'ran has as much to do with Al Qaeda as Christianity had to do with Waco.

Not all Muslims follow, advocate or even like Sharia law.

Now, as for the beheading, the reason it's an insult is that it obviously shows no one even tried to give the man a dignified death. Don't you think Americans would take it differently whether I killed one or their soldiers in a gunfight or whether I cut open his corpse and used it as a toilet afterwards?

No, I wouldn't. If you want to impress me that way, cut him open while he's still alive, and use him for a toilet.

On the dignified death front, just how dignified were the deaths this man ordered? I'm not sure of all the details, but I'd guess that he was convicted in conjunction with the atrocities attributed to Sadam. They could have run him through a meat grinder, as far as I'm concerned, and not done justice for the people that died at his hands, or by his commands.

If we begin to say: "Well, they started it, so we're allowed to do the same!" then we lose all moral high ground, and we'll essentially be no better than them.

Peaceful good citizen(by western standards) muslims are that way in spite of their religion, not because of it. Sharia is the system of laws dictated by mohammed to govern his empire based either on his direct word, his example, the koran, hadiths (mohammed's biographies), or sunna (islamic tradition, based primarily off of mohammed's example). Any muslim that dislikes sharia is no muslim at all, and if they proclaimed it at almost any mosque would either be barred as a heretic and infidel, or worse killed as an apostate. Do some reading, those who turn most fervently to "radical" islam are those who get more islam, who study it at great length, take a look at the London bombers, several of them were always radicalized, but most began studying islam more seriously making it a larger part of their life, until it was the only part of their life, and they felt that murdering dozens of innocents and injuring hundreds more was a moral act, because it was based on the instructions of their religion's founder.

Show me any middle eastern country that isn't a shithole and I'll move there, how about Kuwait, where I served for a year, if you're not a muslim and more specifically a Kuwaiti muslim, forget owning property, a car, a business, etc. It is arguably the most westernized country in the middle east and the most modern. It's still a shithole by the standards of anyone I met there (Brit's Aussies, Americans from all over the country, even compared to other assignments like Korea during the spring melt)

So we shouldn't have hung the nazi's when we liberated the concentration camps, because obviously it means MacArthur, Bradley, et al were no better than the guys running the camps? There is evil in the world, and to equate destroying evil with being evil serves no one and destroys any ground to work from at all. Moral equivalence be damned.

Your ability to read be damned, apparently. I'm sorry to say it so bluntly, but that's not what I said at all.

I suggested that their executions be conducted with care and dignity, rather than jeering and ridiculous screw-ups like this. I'm quite sure that no one was throwing stuff at the Nazi high-ups when they were hung for their crimes against humanity.

It's possible to destroy evil in a humane manner. The moment you start taking a few seconds to shoot them in the balls before you shoot them in the head, that's when you're as evil as them. The moment when you point out everyone on their side of the border as being "evil" and nerve gas them all to get the few ones you know are evil, that's when you're as evil as them.

I also suggest you learn something about Islam. Sharia is not dictated by Mohammed and is not part of the Qu'ran. End of story, that's a fact and there's no need to take it any further than that.

Any man who obsesses about his religion and puts it ahead of everything is likely to become a madman and a fanatic. The same goes for a political philosophy. Islam is not some sort of insidious nerve-poison that brings madness if you're exposed to lots of it. Any religion, however, if you put it ahead of everything else in the world, is likely to do more harm than good. There are plenty of Islamic scholars(People who research the Qu'ran, learn it, interpret it, study it.) who are sensible men. Who do not spread fanaticism and hatred against the West.

As for the Muslim countries, maybe you're forgetting that the West has been screwing them over for decades, and then some? They've always been trapped in the middle of power play. And if you want to do it like that, show me any Christian country in the middle ages that wasn't a shithole compared to most of the Muslim countries? It all goes in cycles. The West has been paying for wars in the Middle East and endorsing dictators there. The USSR screwed over the 'Stans hard. Many of South East Asia's Muslim countries are exploited as cheap labour and never given a chance to grow properly.

And with that, I'm gone from this debate. The moment you start equating all Muslims with Sharia law and terrorism, there's nothing there for me to argue with, just a big empty hole for me to throw my words into.

News flash -- it's not that rare to behead someone during a hanging.

Here's some wikieality on it for you:
[ 01-31-2007, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

lol@Glenn Beck.

I totally agree with TL's point of view here, these guys are R-tards and should be shot....imo

Actually, being shot would be too painless and quick.

EDIT: At least the extremists

[ 02-02-2007, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: Hivetyrant ]