http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/06/bts...als/index.html

No offense, but i think these people need to be whipped the flesh of their backs. Freedom of speech, okay....but this is just too much.

This is probably the most disturbing part of this for me. Bigotry procreates so well...

:rolleyes: Why is it always in Kansas?

I agree that I think they should have their flesh whipped off, I hate disrespect to the dead.

Having said that, freedom of speech is absolute and I'm glad that the state won't take action against them.

Book them for disturbing the peace by all means, but limiting their right to be t**sers is no different from the demands of Muslims over the cartoons.

I'm greatly encouraged by the formation of the Patriot Guard Riders... a group of folks deciding to ensure that the dead are honored properly. By my math, the group that showed up for Sgt Jessie Davila's funeral would outnumber the entire Phelps church better than four to one. Good on 'em.

It's not that I'm against the free speech right to protest... but to do so at someone's funeral is just a wee bit too extreme for me to support. Perhaps returning the favor at their Sunday services would be appropriate... but I say no more, lest I bump up against that moratorium.

Heh, Fred Phelps. IIRC, he's the guy behind that "godhatesfags" website.

I heard he planned to go to Sweden during the Åke Green trial, but as far as I know he never came.

Yep. One and the same.

CNN had a reporter try and get his 'side' of the story. It ended with Phelps calling the reporter a pervert and saying he was going to hell with the rest of us.

I would rather be in the worst sort of hell than any heaven which let Fred Phelps in.

The funeral on the TV news showed more than 700 Patriot Guard Riders and supporters to Phelp's 12 or so family members. Never so sweet was the sound of hundreds of bike's engines roaring...

See if there's something wrong with my logic.

Phelps (and his cohort of crazies) live in the USA

They pay taxes at some level, at least when they buy things.

Ergo, they are supporting financially the same government that they are protesting against, and deserve to have their funerals wrecked.

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EDIT => Phrased as someone who got an "A" in introductory logic. According to Phelps:

IF someone supports the US government, they deserve to have their funeral wrecked.

PHELPS supports the US government (by providing it with money from taxes)

THEREFORE Phelps deserves to have his funeral wrecked.

Simple logic.

[ 03-07-2006, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: True_Moose ]

Moose you are the same smart guy as always...


Except for using the word logic and Phelps in the same paragraph. :D


Seriously, Phelps runs a church made up mostly of his family and probably enjoys tax-exempt status to some degree. It is possible they pay little to no taxes at all if the church is the sole means of livelyhood.

But does he not purchase things - sale taxes are universal, no?

You think this is bad, check out their website - http://www.godhatesfags.com

And check this blurb out - these guys are freaks and total nutcases. It's amazing to think that people hold these kind of nutjob views.

And if that's not bad enough, they have all sorts of memorials (check the "memorial" section on the bottom right of their homepage) where they celebrate the death of supposed homosexuals, celebrating that they're now "burning in hell".

The ironic thing about this is that this "church" (which currently has tax-exempt status) is comprised largely of the extended family of the founder and his wife. Current church members are "generally discouraged" from marrying outside this extended family. Nice little circular family tree setup these guys have, eh. :rolleyes:

Not if he has a sales tax exemption card. These allow organizations to shop sales tax free so long as the purchases are not for personal use.

If your whole life is your church, then the line between personal use and official use could become quite blurred I imagine.

How exactly is state or local sales tax going to support the federal government?

Also: There are at least three states (Delaware, New Hampsire, Alaska) that have no sales tax, so it is far from universal.

[ 03-07-2006, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: Seraph ]

Sorry, in Canada, we have federal sales taxes. My misunderstanding. In any case, my ultimate point was: he's an idiot. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Oh, Fred...

See, I have mixed feelings here.

I can't wait for him to die. I hope it's in a humiliating fashion. Like fornicating with a sheep to pictures of Adolf Hitler kind of humiliating.

So when he dies... Do I show up to his funeral in a red dress? Do I play a tape recorder of him screaming in hell with the other hatemongers?

One one hand... Is that stooping to his level?

But on the other hand... Wouldn't it feel sooo good?

With luck, they'll breed themselves to death in a generation or two. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

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DEE DEE DEE, f-tards. These people certainly have that whole inbred thing going on, don't they?

I spent far too much time reading Wikipedia entries and other background on Phelps. Few things have ever sickened me that much.

The best thing to say is that several of his adult children have left the family compound, in spite of his efforts to force them back.

I can't begin to comment on the heinous actions. I don't think I've ever run across a person more worthless in my life... I don't even think he'd be good as a bad example.

When he dies, I will breathe easier.

I was thinking in the car today, and this guy must be the most insecure piece of garbage on earth. Imagine defining your entire life by such total hatred of others. No introspection on how he himself is living his life, instead everything is about how others lead theirs. Talk about overcompensating.

Not that you'll see me shed a tear for him.

Hooboy, and what I would give to BE the one who ripped the flesh of their backs, I swear, if I ever meet any of these people in real life, they would be meeting the fag hating god pretty damn soon.

People like that are the scum of the world, they dont deserve free speech, and its people like them that make me wish there really was a hell so that I could sleep at night knowing that they are living for eternity in pain. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I agree, it's just over the top to protest at someone's funeral. Do it before, after but not during or even on the same day...just bad form and rude, IMO.

I cut down the quote, but it's all very twisted and not representative of most religious folk, to be sure. I suspect some very seriously repressed people here. You'll note the only sins he seems to be concerned with are all sexual in nature. Guess he's ok with greed, sloth, pride and the like....

[ 03-10-2006, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

Maybe a little off-topic, but I thought you'd like to read a description from one of the Patriot Guard Riders. This was a funeral for PFC. Tina Marie Priest in Smithville, Texas, so apparently none of Phelps' inbreds were there, but I think it's a great description of the respect shown at a military funeral. In a twisted way we have Phelps to thank for this. The PGR was started specifically to counter his protests...

Having been a pallbearer at many military funerals I can tell you that most of the soldiers doing the detail get pretty emotional as well, I'm glad for what these men are doing, and I'm sure the show of support is several magnitudes greater for the families whose funerals they show such respect for.

Is this the loser group that has little kids holding signs saying "god hates fags" ? If so, then I already hated them. I mean, yeh, you can be f'ed up and hate people, but getting KIDS to do your sick ass twisted things is below human.

Evil. Those people will go straight to hell. (With a grandly wreaked funeral.)

I hope I never see someone do that in person. THEY better hope I don't see it happen.

I hope the national LAMDA organization makes a point to have a gay parade outside Fred's funeral.

Here's a fun pic with Phelp's:

http://i2.tinypic.com/qq4k02.jpg

:D

*ROFL* best laugh I've had all day, even if it is photoshopped

[img]smile.gif[/img] Cool one!

I pity people that make it their lifes work to down other people.. what sad, little people.

Someone needs to step on them.

God apparently hates the Swedes.

http://www.godhatessweden.com/

What is next?

From what I hear, He's not too keen on shrimp, either...

Hahaha, yes I've seen that site before. I even heard somewhere that he was coming over here for the Åke Green trial, but changed his mind. Afraid of getting sodomized, I guess. :D

Most of the character flaws of Fred Phelps have already been pointed out.

1) His "church" consists of his own extended family.
2) He seems obsessed with sexual sins.
3) The "blurb" from his church description "insists that the doctrine of grace be taught publicly to all men", but Phelps "preaches" God's damnation and never mentions His Grace.

There are many more that could be listed (such as the consuming hatred that blots out the common decency to allow family and friend bury their loved ones in peace), but it's all been said before.

As Cloudy mentioned, Phelps is not representative of the Christian Faith and the Teachings of Jesus Christ by even the wildest stretch of imagination.

I like Ilumina's idea of protesting Phelp's own church services, but this would probably just add fuel to his fire of hatred that is already burning out of control. Still, I think having LAMDA return the favor at Phelp's funeral would be a just and fitting tribute. :D

A funeral would be too late... how about at a Phelps wedding ceremony, reception, graduation.... the list goes on.

'Course, that's steeping to his level, which he'd probably like too much. Probably slap you with a lawsuit or two, just because.

No jury in the world would side with him.

Well... Maybe in Nigeria.

Agreed. But part of his MO involves filing numerous nearly-frivolous lawsuits against anyone he thinks offends him, and utilizing the time in front of the judge (or jury) to belittle, berate, and degrade the person he filed the lawsuit against.

In fact, for a while he made quite a decent living by filing lawsuits and negotiating settlements.

So... it's not about getting someone to agree with him, but about getting someone to *disagree* that he can then sue.

And don't say such nasty things about our friends in Nigeria. They're nowhere near as bad as friend Phelps... [img]graemlins/nono.gif[/img]

It's not the citizens I have a problem with... I know a few, and they're fabulous. But the government doesn't seem to like the gays very much.

Maybe I should have used the ;) smiley... I double-checked Nigeria's recent history, and I know they're not exactly the friendliest place on earth. With parts floating the use of Sharia law to an extreme and others that see murder as a normal course of business, the Nigerian government has a way to go yet, even though it's already come quite far.

I was trying a variation on the old "he's as ugly as a pig... quit insulting pigs" joke. It apparently misfired... [img]smile.gif[/img]

That, and they have an egregious amount of princes who wish to transfer "US MONIES" into my bank account.

HEY! They said they were only talking to me, their newest trusted friend in the States... :D

In today's news, Michigan is looking at passing a law making protesting within 500 feet of a funeral punishable with up to two years in prison and a $5000 fine. 29 other states have looked at legislation, and 8 have passed laws.

Michigan's will go to the Senate for discussion. The vote at the House was 102-1... and the "1" said "Don't misinterpret my vote. It's not support for anything these disgusting people are doing". He voted against because he believes the 500 foot limit will be found unconstitutional.

The weasels (with no offense intended to real and cheese weasels) protested at a funeral on 28 March... blocked from site by 300 Patriot Guard Riders.

Speaking of which... if you have the time for a bit of reading, take a look at what the PGR does. Each funeral they support is a mission, and... well, here's a sample ride report from one of their missions. If you have any emotions in you, I suggest having a box of tissues nearby.

Me thinks they've got the right idea... treat 'em like trolls and don't feed them, and they'll go away...

Excuse me, won't you? I need to go kill something now... gaming awaits.