lol

The people are throwing rocks at Sadam statue. Taking a sledge hammer and exchanging turns at smashing it. They are trying to bring it down one person at a time.

I bet it feels good huh. In a country where talking bad about the government could you killed. I can only imagine the pent up anger.

Now I have seen plenty of tapes of waving, cheering, and jubilation.

And the looting is hard to be hard on. I mean these people had NOTHING. I am not so sure I would not be trying to drag off anything I could either. Anyway very interesting to watch.

[ 04-09-2003, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: Mordenheim ]

Awesome isn't it? :D :D :D
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Reminds me of the fall of the soviet union.

Very awesome

And far more entertaining than seeing people in this forum taking last minute pot-shots at each other. ;)

I am glad to have had your company here today Mordenheim. [img]smile.gif[/img] This is one cool piece of history.

No doubt the endgame is now in play... and as with Gulf War I'm amazed at the brevity of the campaign.

Now the real tough part starts, and IMO rebuilding is going to be FAR more trecherous than the war was. I include the rebuilding of international relations in this too.

In all the arguments that I've heard against the war, the only one that IMO was logical and persuasive was that the damage done to the International Community, combined with the difficulties of building a nation composed of three factions that don't get along... would result in a quagmire that the Coalition would not be able to solve or escape.

I enjoined watching footage of the American Translator originally from Iraq (possibly dual citizen). He was treated home with a hero's welcome. It must be nice coming home to see relatives, as well as helping to free them.

Let's wish them as much ease at the task as the Armed Forces had getting into Baghdad. [img]smile.gif[/img]

They still haven't reached Tikrit yet either...its not over but today was one hell of a milestone, a few moments of history that I feel privileged to have witnessed.

<font color="#ffccff">One thing I am afraid of is Military and fedayeen type troops in civvies puting on a show for the "americans" so that at ngiht when they are unsuspecting they can come back and stage guerilla type attacks....lets not dance int he street too much just yet. </font>

[ 04-09-2003, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

In all the arguments that I've heard against the war, the only one that IMO was logical and persuasive was that the damage done to the International Community,

Thoran I don't want to spoil a good thing here but I can go the other way and say the only truthful justified argument for the war that I have heard is to free the people of Iraq from a tyrant. The other reasons being spewed were/are possibly total bull. If they had tried this approach from the beginning as opposed to dumping horse manure more countries would have been alongside.

No bad mojo MagiK.
Enjoy the moments of celebration for what they are meant to be...celebration.

This move into the square was orchestrated by Central Command...they know their job is not over.

likewise [img]smile.gif[/img]

:D Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I disagree that the "manure" wasn't necessary. I don't know what the Coalition Leadership REALLY thinks regarding justification for war, but it's those justifications that you term as cow or horse byproducts that gave them the modicum of a legitimate basis for the action. Sad to say but if anything, I think there would have been MORE resistance to the war if "freeing the Iraqi people" was the only argument. Perhaps all those arguments were only a means to an end, perhaps Pres. Bush and PM Blair actually believe them... I doubt we'll ever know.

likewise [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks! :D
How'd you like that kid riding on the head of the statue as they dragged it through the street LOL...I also enjoyed the taking turns with the sledge hammer earlier...the guy who brought it was rushed by those who wanted a turn. :D
Their actions speak volumes.

likewise [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks! :D
How'd you like that kid riding on the head of the statue as they dragged it through the street LOL...I also enjoyed the taking turns with the sledge hammer earlier...the guy who brought it was rushed by those who wanted a turn. :D
Their actions speak volumes.</font>[/QUOTE]priceless [img]smile.gif[/img] the one guy smashing his shoe into Sadam's mouth was funny as well.

Kinda scary to think what they would do to Sadam himself. Can't say I blame them

You know if he is alive, he's thanking their god that he is out of their reach!

I've been digging the shoe throwing and shoe-slapping too...what a huge insult.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the Go Home Human Shields banner before I got booted just now LOL.

Dearborn MI is up in arms too, Iraqi nationals who had escaped the regime now anxious to go home.

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Its been a good day for sure. I know I am going to sleep well this afternoon. :D

LMAO A Drow Warrior now huh? Now you know what you are in for heh heh heh...I can't believe I passed your post count in such a short time, and nearly all my posts are in this forum...yeah I need some sleep. ;)

[ 04-09-2003, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: Lil Lil ]

Oh Hell yeah! I've always had a deep, deep, DEEP burning fear and hatred towards Saddam Hussien. A pity that piece o' crap ain't dead yet! One thing's for sure, the USA will chase him all the way to here:
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Such a great day, I think I'm gonna go 'n' smoke some grass...excuse me.

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I love to see the Iraqi people interacting with the U.S, troops it would be great if this is a lasting feeling of joy and celebration over there.But I keep thinking Syria's next on ol G.W.B.'s list! And what will the world think of us then?

You know I heard enother person mention Syria. Here I thought I kept up with the news but I guess I don't

I mentioned Syria, when Pearl stated that Syria was next.

I've heard that Syria is "next" and then Iran...I think Iran heard too because the last news I recall reading on that country is that top officials there are pushing to instill a democracy that the U.S. would approve of.
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I don't know how true that is but you know not everyone in the Arab world is sticking to Baghdad Bob's view of what went on there. ;)

tsk tsk lol [img]smile.gif[/img]

The US would be VERY irredeemably stupid to attack Iran.

At first Iran is not involved in the present conflict in any way. Neither are they affiliated with any terrorist organisations. In fact Iran is an enemy of the Iraqi regime.

Also Iran is not a lawless dictatorship like Iraq. It is a well-established non-aggressive nation.

Iran is also not the fundamentalist regime it used to be. In fact moderates are currently nominally in power, voted in by the Iranians themselves. Surely the ayatollahs still hold too much power, but progress is happening.

Attacking Iran would show that the US doesn't care about democracy.

But I don't think the present US administration is so stupid as to attack Iran. I don't even think they are able to. Whatever you might think the public opinion is still vital in US politics and I doubt that the americans will tolerate being drawn into such a big conflict with such a meagre justification.

I doubt that they'll attack Syria any time soon for that matter either since speculation of the prospect has been from a journalistic point of view and not anything on any official levels as far as I know.

Besides, Bush & Blair promised to put pressure on Israel to make peace with Palestine next.

Brings tears to your eyes seeing them finally SMILING! And free!!!! Now, lets clean up the rest of the few bad guys, and get an Iraqi goverment going as SOON as possible. We can provide security maybe..

Anyone see that guy sitting on the Saddam head being dragged? [img]smile.gif[/img] And smacking the posters with their shoes [img]smile.gif[/img]

I think watching the eight year old kid smacking the Sadam statue head with both shoes was the best of them all. A brighter future for him that's for sure

That is a good thing. I'm glad they are free of 'thoughtcrime' and other such horrors.

<font color='white'> I am not an expert on Islam, if I was I wouldnt be asking this [img]smile.gif[/img] . But it seems like shoes hold some sort of sacred meaning in Islam. Anyone have any information?

Well maybe not sacred...But like it has been said above, people hitting the pictures of Saddam with shoes, and I heard some journalist say something about putting shoes on someone else is a great insult or some such...</font>

Shoes are covered with the dirt of the roads and is thus unclean. Therefore you must not wear shoes inside mosques for example.

Throwing shoes at a statue is probably some sort of insult.

Pointing the sole of your feet at anyone in the Middle East is a huge insult. Also walking on a person's picture or effigy is also insulting. That's why, in 1991, in the entrance lobby of the Rashid Hotel in Baghdad, Saddam Hussein had a portrait of George Bush Sr set in the threshold. That way all the foreign visitors stepped on his face.