<h3>Nude protest held in Central Park</h3>
NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Protesters are trying a nude way to stir interest in the anti-war movement.
When U.S. demonstrators hit the streets to rally against a a military conflict in Iraq, they often grumble that too few Americans take notice.
So one group opted for an eye-catching alternative.
Just after dawn on Friday, roughly 30 women scurried into the heart of Central Park, splitting up into groups to avoid arousing police suspicion. Once they reached their destination, the Bethesda Fountain, they displayed their deep misgivings about war by disrobing amid a steady snowfall.
Lying down in shivering temperatures, the group of women -- students, executives and artists among them -- used their stark naked bodies to spell out the words "No Bush."
"I have never done anything remotely like this before, but I think it's incredibly cool," said Elizabeth Lorris Ritter, a 40-year-old activist housewife. "We're totally vulnerable out here, yet we're making a wonderful statement."
It didn't take long for a flock of nude women to attract attention. Central Park workers scrambled to break up the gathering, but by the time they arrived, the women were fully clothed.

'People don't realize it's about to happen'
Women have staged similar nude protests in this country, as well as in Europe and South Africa in recent months, said the event's organizer, Wendy Tremayne.
The women said they are frustrated that too many Americans have passively accepted war with Iraq as inevitable and unavoidable.
"Part of it is apathy," said Kate Heim, 25. "The other part is that people don't realize it's about to happen. It doesn't seem real."
Tremayne expressed disgust with what what she called a high-handed, go-it-alone U.S. approach in foreign policy.
"For me, it's been a growing embarrassment about being American that started before Bush," Tremayne said. "This event derives from the belief that people can do things, that people still care and can make a difference."

Source: CNN

I LIKE their style! There is entirely not enough nudity making headlines these days!

And hey:


If these trends continue....AYE!!!! ;)
You can always count on women to bring some element of lovin' back to politics. God bless 'em. Every one!

<font color='white'> ...Why? What is the connection between war and nudity? Ive no problem with protests..But at least they should make sence.. </font>

<font color='green'> 'go-it-alone U.S. approach in foreign policy.' </font>

<font color='white'> EH?!? ..nevermind. Well all I can say is it does seem real to me, and at first a believed it was avoidable, if the Iraqis complied, but now..Nah, I dont think its avoidable. </font>

<font color="#ffccff">If girls want to get nekkid, Im all for it. Let them [img]smile.gif[/img] won't change anything war wise but hey, might make central park a nicer place to be :D

Edit: What? CNN doesn't have any photographers? Where's the piccies????</font>

[ 02-08-2003, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

*cough* Ahh, I think it is the connection between 'Bush' and nudity... [img]graemlins/blush.gif[/img] :D

Heh heh. Yeah, guess there must've been alot of shaven havens in Central Park that day :D

...sorry.
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Heh heh. Yeah, guess there must've been alot of shaven havens in Central Park that day :D

...sorry.
[img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=orange><font size=24>ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</font>

*cough* Ahh, I think it is the connection between 'Bush' and nudity... [img]graemlins/blush.gif[/img] :D </font>[/QUOTE]I see from the front page of my paper there was an Australian nekkid protest as well - are you still on holidays Aelia [img]smile.gif[/img] - have you been travelling about at all ;) ?

Why wasn't i informed about this ? After all, nude is my middle name. :D

LOL [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Got your fridge magnet yet? :D

LOL [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Got your fridge magnet yet? :D </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=orange>What! Aelia Jusa has a frig magnet? Is it nekkid? Where do I get one? </font>

LOL [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Got your fridge magnet yet? :D </font>[/QUOTE]Fridge magnet - Davros carefull studies this post looking for subtitle ...... No ...... did you send me one? I didn't know you had my mailing address?

No, not me. Your terrorism hotline fridge magnet? ;)

LOL - ahhhh - no, my household is yet to receive its "anti-terror kit". Anticipation is at fever pitch though :D .

<font color=skyblue>You have to consider the chance that not all of them were worth looking at. Some people's nude bodies are disgusting. Besides, now that everyone has seen their nakedness, are they now gonna convert to thier ideals? Naw...people who are pro-war will still be pro-war. It has turned into a circus side-show to make noticeable attractions.
I wonder what that little demo will do to the rape attack statistics in the city for the next few days? Will it improve the number?</font>

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

And...

Beauty is only skin deep.

I think the point was not to show off, but to get people to notice the message. They felt if the messenger needed to be nude to deliver the message and at least get some notice, they felt it was worth the effort.

Heaven forbid that the pretty people will one day become unattractive.

Mark

[ 02-10-2003, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: skywalker ]

<font color=skyblue>The only message they successfully broadcasted is that they decide that it is okay to break the law to make a point.
Fighting bad ideas with bad ideas is not gonna result in good outcome.

Exposing your body in public is the wrong way to make a point. In fact, the only thing I think of thier message is that they will resort to any evil to produce thier desired effect. They're a bunch of glory-seekers. Can they not come up with more creative means of producing a positive effect for their party?
Their message was "No Bush". Does that mean that the democrats are a bunch of perverted wierdos that care nothing of the decency of a lady? Those women are grotesque in spirit and are deranged in mentality. Their husbands (The ones married)should have serious talks with them. Is it alright for a man to let his wife go showing off her body to strangers? Why don't they go ahead and become hookers? Might as well. They have no care for thier own bodies.</font>

Hate to tell you larry, but the nude body, by itself, does not have a heck of a lot to do with sex. It is the human body at its most natural state. There is nothing disgusting about it. What does hooking have to do with any of this?

Mark

<font color=skyblue>
Public exposure is illegal.

What does their message say?
That they are willing to break the law to get a point across?

You are framing my message to make it appear that I am saying what I am not. You are trying to get me to get off the point, and the point is...the naked human body is not to be used as a public display so that people will listen and take notice of their argument. By breaking the law of the land, they are being vulgar in thier approach. </font>

<font color="plum">Personally, this stunt reminds me of the Abortion Clinic protestors that lay down in front of any vehicles trying to get in. They are not just trying to convey their message - but to do so by being sensationalistic and disruptive. OK - so it got them a blurb in CNN. What else did it accomplish? (aside from the possibility of some rather embarassing frostbite problems).

<font color=white>skywalker</font> - Whether these women were pretty, ugly, or somewhere in between makes no difference to me. The fact is that they deliberately went out of their way to break the law - just to get a little media "exposure" (OK, I couldn't resist that one - sorry).

I believe <font color="cyan">Larry's</font> objection stems from his religious values. The human body is a beautiful creation, but that creation shouldn't be flouted publicly - especially if the woman (or man) is married. It should be only be revealed to your spouse. (<font color=cyan>Larry</font> can correct me if I'm wrong on that).

<font color="cyan">Larry</font> - I agree with your sentiments, but not necessarily your presentation. You came on awful strong in a thread that had been relatively "light-hearted" up to that point. It's good to see a fellow Christian that will act on his/her convictions rather than compromise them. Maybe just try a somewhat softer approach next time.</font>

<font color=skyblue>Yeah...I have actually been told not to take part in discussions like this! LOL! Sorry. I saw an opening and jumped on it. I forgot that this is why I do not come here to this forum. I am a very strong speaker when I find something to talk about. You said what I was thinking better than I did.
Thanks for reinerating the true point of the discussion, and avoiding the tangents and diverse paths that was trying to be created. </font>

Sure, these protests arn't going to make a lick of difference. But for alot of those taking part it probably wasn't even about preventing the war. It would seem that for some it was more a matter of breaking out of the confines of their day-to-day lives and doing something fun and rebellious. I sure as hell know I'd rather be dead than stuck in a house all day, doing whatever my spouse thinks is 'socially appropriate'. It's pretty much common sense that you can't stop a war if it has high financial or strategic profitability, these ladies were just having a little fun. And to hell with over-constrictive husbands that preach shame for the organic form.

And as an aside, if it wern't for the fact that I'd get arrested and thrown in a prison cell I'd be walking around naked every hot summer day. Of course these ladies were doing it in the middle of winter, which demonstrates a copious amount of hard-core on their part! Kudos to naked ladies! :D

[ 02-10-2003, 10:28 PM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]

Yes!? What's the point of people doing a naked protest if I can't even see it!?! :D

Cerek I did not suggest the women's bodies were beautiful or ugly. I was resonding to a comment of Larry's that was a general comment. That's all.

Larry, I did not force your comments about hookers, democrats as being a bunch of perverted wierdos, and that being nude in public as evil.

Sorry, but nudity in public is not evil...Adam and Eve were nude. It is only illegal because the current laws say so.

Mark

<font color=skyblue>ROFL!
There you go again!

You are saying that my question is a comment.

I also called nobody a hooker.
I said that they might as well become as such, due to thier lack of moral decency. Exposing oneself in public is indecent, immoral, and illegal.

Adam and Eve were not in public. They only had a bunch of animals standing around.

You are a better comedian than Arvon! Great work!

ROFL!</font>

Indecent to some , yes.
Illegal to all , definately.
But immoral? That's a pretty big call.
I don't see anything wrong with getting a little sun on my flesh [img]smile.gif[/img] You may say that exposing yourself with intent to shock is immoral, but that's more to do with wanting to upset people than with actually baring your body. What is it about our bodies that you hate so much Larry? They're beautiful man. Lighten up a little ;)

And come on man, that kind of condescending attitude just isn't becoming of an IW moderator. That's a flame on both Mark and Arvon. Let's ease this down some eh?

[ 02-11-2003, 09:20 AM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]

<font color=skyblue>Everybody lives by some type of code of behavior. Some are spelled out in religion and some are spelled out for themselves. If their code of conduct in relation to their fellow man allows for this behavior, then they still broke the law in public.

Nudist colonies exist to allow those who want to open themselves up to this freedom to do so without breaking the law. Designated areas to do so are okay by me. That is why they are designated for them. That is what they wish to do.
To break the law in Central Park was wrong, and if any of those women go to church (Christian, Jew, Muslim) the next day thinking they have done no wrong...then they are lying to themselves, and have broken thier code of conduct.

By the way, I still feel that skywalker is joking with all this. He is having fun at my expense, just like he does with MagiK and Yorick. He loves to play these word games, and I am a fool to continue feeding him...and now you, with material that you are trying to use against me so that you can brag to everyone on those other websites that you think we know nothing about, and say that you bested me. Well, have your fun...but now you can do so at another person's expense. This is the last post you all will get from me to pick apart and glue and paste together meanings that are not there...It is all one big joke you both are playing on me.

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And come on man, that kind of condescending attitude just isn't becoming of an IW moderator. That's a flame on both Mark and Arvon. Let's ease this down some eh?[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]<font color="plum">Good point, <font color="palegreen">Heirophant</font>. Perhaps you could take your own advice the next time you start to make a statement such as.....</font>

<font color="plum">If you don't agree with religious morals expressed by <font color="cyan">Larry</font> or myself, that's fine...but to say "to hell with us" because of our beliefs is an open flame - and strictly against the policy of this forum in particular. </font>

WOAH! Ok, well, I guess we'll just say this discussion is over and back away slowly then...

ANd Cerek, you're absolutely right. It was wrong, rash and inconsiderate of me to say that. I thought the exact same thoughts as you after sitting back and reading what I had actually posted and was going to edit it out. However, considering it has now been quoted from I might as well leave it there.

And for the record, this is no game, I'm not trying to offend anyone (I can't speak for skywalker, though he probably isn't either). And I certainly havn't 'bested' anyone. Looks like this all just got out of hand... :(

And as for the nude protestors, well, you already know where I stand with that ;)

<font color="plum"><font color="palegreen">Heirophant</font> - I sincerely appreciate your comments and I admire anyone who is big enough to say they were wrong. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] Heaven knows I've had to "eat my own words" many, many times.

For the record, I don't disagree with the nude protest as strongly as <font color="cyan">Larry</font> does....but I did understand the reasons behind his objections.

So, if these women decide to hold another such protest - I will simply have to do what ANY good Southern Baptist would do --- I'll go in person to explain my objections to them "face to face". :D </font>

Ok, that will be enough trading of barbs on a personal level.

Larry, you got a bit heated and need to cool off, but as I see it EVERYONE who baited or continued on this track was off base. Take a break from this forum and get your perspective back, ok? [img]smile.gif[/img]

If you wish to continue discussing the PROTEST, by all means, do so. If you wish to discuss nudity, differing morals and hookers, find another thread on GD and keep the thing PG13 and flame free.

Everyone has issues that they feel strongly about. We all have hot buttons and we all have BACK buttons. It's easy to push someone else's buttons, but we don't like having ours pushed. I'm here to say STOP pushing the buttons for fun and sport and use your OWN BACKBUTTON when it looks like someone else is trying to get your goat.

I'm sorry, but I was not baiting any one or having fun at anyone's exspense.

Looks like no matter what I post is considered flame bait. I disrespect no one.

Larry, I truly felt your "questions" were extreme.

Looks like a majority here feel that I'm a troll and I really don't like that kind of accusation.

People have opinions and I have mine. I do try to respect that, but do I not have a right to post opposing views. If not I will try to stop.

Mark

Yes, Larry was a little over the top, but enough is enough- when you see someone going that way, adding more 'opinion' to the fire isn't a good idea.

NOW, I want to see the topic discussed or let it go, but I do NOT want to engage in verbal duels of 'he did this, she did that' here and now.

I was just curious who the 'we' in this statement was.. "you think we know nothing about," Who you are speaking for? we

sorry off topic .. just kind of like some kind of light going off in my head you know.. who knows what tangent that was on lol..

Cloudbringer! You have your work cut out for you the last couple of days in this board! Nice job moderating it.. you have performed admirably! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thanks Djinn. I'm asking everyone over here to keep their cool as it were, cuz I'm a tired Cloudymod after chasing around over at GD all week [img]smile.gif[/img]

Besides, you have all been having some great conversations and debates without a whole lot of moderator input til now. Let's try and keep that up!

Back on topic, please!

OK, this has gotten a bit out of hand...let's take a step back and think before we post, eh? Larry, I know you didn't intend to offend, but there's no need to get het up over what is intended as a joke thread and not intending to offend anyone. Your comments to Skywalker and comparing him to a troll come close to being a flame. I don't think he was doing anything particularly wrong, other than question your opinion which he is entitled to do, if you decide to put your 2c in, people are entitled to question it - politely - whether we are mods or not does not make us immune. ;) Anyone who puts an opinion forward in a discussion should expect to have to defend that opinion, that's only fair - as long as they get questioned politely. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hooking and nudity are two completely separate things, by the way.

Conversely, so that everyone understands, Larry has quite strong religious beliefs, so if he gets a bit heated up about these topics, let's gently remind him that it's all just in the name of fun - I'm sure no insult was intended by anyone participating in this thread. This is just a big misunderstanding. Let's all chill out and breathe...deeply.... :D :D :D

[ 02-12-2003, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

I'm posting this while completely nude! :D

Talk about your weapons of MASS destruction. One look at my nakedness, and suddenly, the French and Russians are begging the UN(Unsightly Nakeds) to take action! ;) [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

[ 02-12-2003, 06:57 AM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

<font color="plum"> :eek: YIKES!!!! BE CAREFUL WITH THAT AXE, <FONT COLOR=DODGERBLUE>BMANN</FONT> !!!!!</FONT> :eek:

The pictures were in every newspaper, this time, my eyes say the bodies were mostly beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of. These people only want to make a difference, and in the end the only thing which really matters is what they think about it themselves.. a brave move, and I will support every anti-war move whether it really makes a big difference or not.

Well, I found out this was all a big hoax anyway. The protest planners wanted a
<font size=15> NUKE PROTEST </font>
not a *NUDE* protest, but some wayward kids got hold of the leaflets and - !viola!

[img]graemlins/kidding.gif[/img]
:D :D :D :D :D

[ 02-17-2003, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]