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Finally!!! Howdy Taliban, WAKEY, WAKEY! We have landed! Oh, yes, you shall now see who the cowards trully are! What's that? you are still hiding? Awwww, don't you have any bold words for us now? What's that? America and Britain have delivered unto you a TERRORIST attack? Hardly! Terrorism is when you hijack four planes, three of them hitting their mark and the fourth is taken down by heroes, taking down almost seven thousand cililians in the end!) Plenty of time was given to respond to the coalition's request that the Taliban give up Bin Laden and his operators, no talks, action. That request was met with nothing but delays, thus resulting in the actions that has, and will insue. Our Comander in Chief has made it a point not to target civilians, does that mean that some innocents wont die? NO! As unfortunate as it may be,innocent people do die in war. After the murder of thousands of innocent American people did you expect us to stand silent in the wake of your perversion of religon to serve your own political agenda?
In response to others on this board, don't listen to the Taliban propiganda if that is where you recieved your info, they also said that they had taken down a fighter jet, which has proven to be untrue! With all the errors that have come as of late, I suggest that you wait for the damage assesment ( which is unavailable at this time), before you believe any statements and make conclusions. And as for us dropping medicine and food on the innocents, well, you've gotten your wish! We are doing that! (Now let's see if the Taliban will let them have it, or if they will feed their own selfish mouths with it! After all, the women under the Taliban can't even get medical attention, let alone an indulgance such as food! (every 15 minutes, a woman died in childbirth under the Taliban regime before this war ever started!) And for those who say America is rushing in, we are now snugly nestled with our good friends the British in our attacks! Nothing the pacifists or 'realists' say can change my mind or damper my mood..... Yes, today was a GOOD day! So I say again....HOW YA LIKE US NOW!?!?!?!?!?!? ------------------ http://members.aol.com/amandaisflirt...s/tradesig.jpg Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar LH Member And you never did think that it ever would happen again, in America did you? And you never did think that we'd ever get together again, but we damn sure fooled ya. We're walkin' real proud and we're talkin' real loud again, in America. And you never did think that it ever would happen again.... (Charlie Daniels) [This message has been edited by Liliara (edited 10-07-2001).] |
<font color="white">Hell yeah!
I like the words you use...you speak simple truth, and we have every right to feel good about what is happening. A videotape had Bin Laden saying that we are of the devil, and that God gave him the right to attack us...well, he obviously does not know that God that I know, because my God would never order a man to make such a cowardly attack like he did. And maybe our God is not directing our retaliation to that unlawful error he made, but in the end...the fight against evil men is supported world-wide, and the world will be better off with them cowering every day of thier lives instead of feeling proud for their attack on Christianity.</font> ------------------ http://members.aol.com/lasttrueprinc...ges/larry2.gif 3rd Member of the Ancient OHF and Diamond Ranger of the ALSB (secretarial position & Ambassador) Father of the wicked but cute child known as MaryBeth http://sc.communities.msn.com/tn/02/...Site/1/190.jpg Padre de una niña bien traviosa pero guapa --------------------- Aisukuríimu ga tabetái desu. |
How do I like you now?
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*sighs* NOW what? are we stirring up again? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif
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In the interest of accuracy, where are you guys getting the idea of "cowardice" from? You can call the terrorists who flew those planes into those buildings many things, but "coward" doesn't strike me as being an accurate term at all.
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well Dio, would you rather have us sitting on our hands and let him make another attack on us, then another in an endless chain? this wasnt an isolated attack, and we're hitting him for every act he's done against this country and others, but mainly for his most recent one against the WTC, as if i needed to name it. i dont believe that God would tell ANY man to kill ANYONE, seeing as how in EVERY religion, especially Islam, there is God saying, 'thou shalt not kill', or something similar. i would have preferred us not having to bomb Afghanistan, but since it has come to this im glad were finally doing something about it instead of what we usually do, which is just imply sanctions and try to talk it out, which has failed much more often than not!
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Big mistake, imho, Liliara. With a little more patience the Taliban would have handed bin Laden over, I think. As it is, we have played right into his hands - the first civilian Afghanis killed will likely see the beginning of WW3.
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Dio, for just one night, put off your ever present need to find something wrong with everything that someone who does not hold the same beliefs as you has to say! I am a Christian, I do not gloat over those that the Lord will squell baecause they use his name to kill and maim innocent people. But as a human with a human spirit, I cannot help but feel a satisfaction with today's events. I shall pray tonight for forgiveness, but I'm afraid that you, my friend, have no one to ask forgiveness of, seeing that you are an atheist. Worry not though, I shall pray for you, as I pray for myself. In the meantime.... HOW YA LIKE US NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And John, we are Americans. We did not bring this on ourselves, but were forced to this end! As a fellow AMERICAN, I am with you, and thank you for your support. ------------------ http://members.aol.com/amandaisflirt...s/tradesig.jpg Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar LH Member And you never did think that it ever would happen again, in America did you? And you never did think that we'd ever get together again, but we damn sure fooled ya. We're walkin' real proud and we're talkin' real loud again, in America. And you never did think that it ever would happen again.... (Charlie Daniels) |
I agree with ya totally..It is unfortunate that it has come to
this. We all need to be prepared for the long haul though. This isn't Desert Storm, where we can say, here's 500,000 soldiers. Line up and take 'em down. This is more special forces type of war, in and out, hit and run. The cowards definitely don't want to play that game with our special forces. The sooner we bring "him" to justice, the sooner we can prepare for the backlash. As far as civilians go, I shouldn't start but I will. If you know you live near a "military target"..MOVE. If you have no where to move to, move AWAY. It's unfortunate that you now live in a war zone, it's unfortunate that a person (not from your country) started a war for your country. I live near the largest air base in the US. I know the dangers and yet I stay. I can accept that fact. So can they. We hid nothing in our attacks today. It's well documented in the Bush family "Book of War." We give you a deadline, if you don't adhere to our deadline, we bomb you. Starting with "military factories", airports, communication grids, power grids, air defense systems and enemy barracks. We did it in Iraq and we did it to the Tailiban. |
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Killing is what killing is.
Thou shall not kill. Celebrating violence, what an interesting percpective into a persons character. It's another sad day. Industrial targets in populated areas. Dont cry, children, the bombs aren't meant for you. Cowards also fire weapons from afar, never seeing the life rush out of their enemies eyes. Yes, bombs are dropping in population centers, a celebration of DEATH is in order. [This message has been edited by G'kar (edited 10-07-2001).] |
I'm with ya Liliara!!!! Action had to be taken at some point, might as well start now. oh btw I started a Pool of Radiance game last week and named a female sorcoress Liliara, liked the name hope its ok http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif
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And it isn't the lord that is doing the killing, Liliara. It's people. People killing people, most of whom have done you no wrong, and have no wish to do so. All most Afghanis want is to live in peace and have just a modicum of the comfort we have. ------------------ Dubbed Queen of the Illuminati by Diogenes. |
Well I guess my views on what is happening are VERY wide apart. On one hand, I cannot help but feel for innocent victims of war, poor people who have lived an incredibly shite life in Afghanistan, who have no power, who may not be able to afford leaving Afghanistan or maybe if they try they are afraid that they will be killed, called "betrayers" or something. I personally value all human life (except for pure evil humans, aka, terrorists), no matter who they are or what they may believe or not believe religion-wise. So I can't feel happy about this war, because I keep thinking innocent people are dying. And are we getting any of these terrorists tonight? Are these terrorists at these bombing locations? If they were smart, they would avoid obvious places that the U.S. may target. So could be not only innocent deaths from the U.S. bombings, but deaths for nothing.
On the other side of the spectrum, I want those Taliban FFFFs dead. I cannot see another option that the U.S. can do about these terrorists but all out war. Is there another way? A peaceful way? If so, please tell me cause I can't think of one thing. I am not opposed to the death penalty. I consider these terrorists as evil, and I have absolutely no problem watching us blow the shite out of them. I'd personally love to see a small plastique bomb in one of Bin Laden's smokes while he is doing one of his interviews. He is not human to me. Neither are his apprentices. I know a lot of them were probably normal maybe before they joined the "Bin Laden" group, but all they stand for now is evil and killing and murder and death. And they use religion to fire up others emotionally and religiously. And the U.S. is NOT against Muslims as Taliban leaders are saying, this is NOT a holy war on our part, it is a war against evil, against cowardly terrorists. As I said, I am split between two different views on all this. Is what makes it so hard to deal with. ------------------ http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no.../KungFuGal.gif [This message has been edited by ladyzekke (edited 10-07-2001).] |
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Are we really making the world a safer place? Or will more be swayed to the viewpoint that the U.S. just wants to exert influence on Islamic nations, and take violent action themselves? And Bin Ladin has already made a statement... "100% retaliation". Who know if his cohorts are already in place in the west, waiting like snakes in the grass. |
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But whatever - we should NOT bomb! We should have sent in ground forces to get him and his followers, maybe, since there would be less liklihood of killing innocents. And bombing Afghanistan is most likely going to turn practically all the Islamic world against us. Frankly, Ladyzekke, I'm scared. I don't want to live through another world war. I lived through one already. I'm scared for my children and grandchildren. I'm more scared than I have been in my life. ------------------ Dubbed Queen of the Illuminati by Diogenes. [This message has been edited by Fljotsdale (edited 10-07-2001).] |
Ok.. pure and simple. I do support action as I feel it's the only way to make the point to terrorists that it's not acceptable to practice terrorism anywhere.
BUT, I grieve for those who will die, and yes, even the terrorists and the Taliban. Death from war is death nonetheless. A life is a life. I have been taught that our commandments say "thou shalt do no murder" (note the word 'murder' not 'kill') and that it is not murder if someone dies as a result of war or self defense. So I reservedly say that yes, I support putting an end to terrorist camps and the threat to our national safety. Still, I do not like the idea of causing any death anywhere. I know civilians who do not support terrorism may die and that saddens me. Yes, we lost thousands, no need to remind me, I live near the site of the largest loss. To me, it all seems so horrible and senseless. I can only pray it ends soon, but fear we are launching a long term war as terrorism is widespread. I see no good in rejoicing at war and destruction. I take no joy in this at all. My God! Our own militiary personnel will surely suffer some casualties (by which I mean those all countries on our side who send troops as well). http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif For the Afghan people the living conditions there are squalid at best, I only pray that removal of the Taliban and international efforts to aid the people will make a difference in the lives of the Afghani peoples. I understand the necessity of action and support the cause, but I do not jump for joy or take any sort of pleasure in it. I look for the day when we all put our energies toward building and not destroying. Cloudbringer, praying for a swift end to the conflict ------------------ http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/bestow1.jpg http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/hero2.gif Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan CloudDragon of the OHF Storm-Queen Raven's Cloud StormCloud of the Black Knight: Heart Mind Soul Forever "To sleep, perchance to dream..." |
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<font color="white">You are right about that...I thought we said that we would not waste bombs...that the only way to get them was by getting ground troops in there, up close and personal ...eye to eye sorta thing. Could this be a ruse to hide our attack force as they come storming in? I know that once I killed a rat by pouring Chlorine and Hydrogen Peroxide down his hole to flush him out (that makes a deadly gas, by the way...), and when he came struggling out, barely able to walk...I shot his head off. Could the US be thinking to do that???</font> ------------------ http://members.aol.com/lasttrueprinc...ges/larry2.gif 3rd Member of the Ancient OHF and Diamond Ranger of the ALSB (secretarial position & Ambassador) Father of the wicked but cute child known as MaryBeth http://sc.communities.msn.com/tn/02/...Site/1/190.jpg Padre de una niña bien traviosa pero guapa --------------------- Aisukuríimu ga tabetái desu. [This message has been edited by Larry_OHF (edited 10-07-2001).] |
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So I guess you think we should just sit back and lets these F*ckers bomb us some more. I think not...We cannot just set back as lets shit like this happen. |
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We have started a war with the governing body of another nation today, not brought mass-murderers to justice. The Talibon may be screwed with regards to human rights, but so is china. we wouldnt bomb china if terrorists lived there. we would use the LONG and CHALLENGING process of diplomacy, and follow a SPIRIT of justice, like the one born in the U.S. constitution. We had other options... now the question I have is...can we get them back? |
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And I know what you mean, even though I really am behind the U.S. against the terrorists, I just hate the way that we are going about it, and wonder, again, how successful we will be. But again, as I have said many times tonight, what else is there to do???? I too am afraid Fljotsdale. Heck, I live very close to Washington, D.C., prime target there for terrorist retaliation attacks... And I'm not very pleased at our news on TV. Heard too many times about how "it is coming", "we are going to get attacked again". And they make it sound so dire. Hell, if they (the news) are going to warn us, at least frikken bolster our spirits, say something like "America Unite and Be Strong", not "we are gonna get it" type speeches, that only lowers the moral of the American citizens. And we as many all over the world, as citizens, have no power in this, we only can sit by and wait and watch what happens. We at least should be patriotic, or comradic, and stand together for strength. ------------------ http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no.../KungFuGal.gif |
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Jesus doing what killing rats? I am afraid you misunderstood my thread. I did not say that I hope we are doing such a thing... I asked if anyone thinks we are trying to bring the Telaban out in the open by the bombs...and then send in our troops while they are weak. The thing about the rat massacre was my way of explaining the procedure of "flushing out the enemy from hiding..." Never did I say that I hoped we gased them...Please don't read that wrongly...</font>http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif ------------------ http://members.aol.com/lasttrueprinc...ges/larry2.gif 3rd Member of the Ancient OHF and Diamond Ranger of the ALSB (secretarial position & Ambassador) Father of the wicked but cute child known as MaryBeth http://sc.communities.msn.com/tn/02/...Site/1/190.jpg Padre de una niña bien traviosa pero guapa --------------------- Aisukuríimu ga tabetái desu. |
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It's what you did to the rat that I find unspeakable! I almost vomited. ------------------ Dubbed Queen of the Illuminati by Diogenes. [This message has been edited by Fljotsdale (edited 10-07-2001).] |
You think Larry and the rats is bad?!
We had these squirells chewing holes in the roof and waking my mom up at all hours of the night. My dad set traps and drowned 11 squrells and 1 possum by the end of the summer. Oh, and then there are his home-made bug chemicals. MWAHAHAHA! In short, Larry is not Jesus, my dad is not Jesus, hell you've all stepped on a bug before just as I have, it's no different if that's how you look at it. |
The reason we are bombing is not to try and kill mass numbers
of terrorists, although I'm sure we did. It is to disrupt their defenses, cut of communication, and stick them deeper into the dark caves they think they're safe in. When the Secretary of Defense spoke this afternoon, a question was posed as to whether or not we had ground troops in, he ducked and dodged. Of course we do. This is one aspect of this "war" that (fortunately) CNN won't give the enemy advance notice of. If our ground troops are to have any success, they can achieve their objectives alot easier with the bombardments that have happened and that will continue. |
Okay, I'm seething right now, not at anyone's attitudes, right or wrong, but at that fact that we are basically in agreement, but on differing planes.
At the risk of offending people here on the boards, which I've managed to to in the past and I'm sure I will again, but here's my take... We were attacked shamefully, and callously with NO regard for the civilian casualties involved, indeed, hoping to MAXIMIZE the civilian casualties. These cowards were trying to kill as many of us as possible in a large and damaging statement. They wanted us to do exactly what we're doing here, to quibble amongt ourselves about the what's and the why's and the how's about the retaliation. Let me tell ALL of you something. This is war. Whoever is trying to tell you otherwise is living in a world other than this. Had anyone thought about the fact that the people killed in the WTC attack equals almost 1/3 of the people killed in the entire Vietnam conflict and is almost 3 TIMES the number of people killed in the attack on Pearl Harbor? Will innocent people be killed? YES. Is that wrong? MAYBE. Is it our place to judge that? NO. What should we do? Trust in our leaders to make the tough decisions, to minimize the deaths of innocent lives and kill (YES, I said KILL) the sum'biches that did this. These cowards tried to bring us down, and by infighting like this, that's exactly what they will do. We are a people that have survived FAR worse, but not recently. I have served my country proudly and with honor, and would do so again at any time. Anyone who has, understands exactly what I mean. If you haven't, then I strongly urge you to look about at the things that you hold dear and think about what our lives would be like without them. I love each and every one of you, and am not a violent person, but this is war and people will be hurt and killed in this. We are trying to help the innocents in this, people who have been oppressed and victimized by one oppressor or another for their entire lives. This is unrelated to the fact that the faceless killers did what they did. Oh, I'm so mad I'm not saying another word about this, but please, please, think about the almost six thousand people killed in the interest of some psychopath's vendetta before getting upset at an American's rage over it. ------------------ Guitars, women, beer...what more can a man ask for? I AM the bard eternal http://content.communities.msn.co.uk...ID_Message=143 |
I am confident that the strikes are being conducted in a surgical, highly efficient, and dealdy effective way. This action isn't being prosecuted under the same doctrine of maximum military stregth focused at the points of engagement that the Gulf War was. The air strikes initiated today are designed to take out the Taliban's ability to communicate. The air strikes are only part of the equation, a phase in a more comprehensive plan. There are also the Special Ops ground attacks. Anyway, above all this is NOT an attack against the people of Afghanistan. Great pains are actually being taken to encourage that the people there rise up against their oppressors there. And if you don't think the Taliban is horrendously oppressive to it's own people you are grossly uniformed and/or living in a sheer FANTASY world.
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I'm not saying I never kill things, 'cos I kill fleas, and I have killed slugs when they were totally wrecking my plants, but I hate doing it and it makes me feel like a murderer. They have as much right to live their life as I do. I never said Larry was Jesus. But he IS a pracicing christian, so I asked if he could imagine Jesus treating a rat - or ANY animal - that way. ------------------ Dubbed Queen of the Illuminati by Diogenes. [This message has been edited by Fljotsdale (edited 10-07-2001).] |
In ancient Cherokee tradition there is a law know as "The Law Of Retaliation". It speaks that if somebody is harmed by someone else, that person has every right to injure him/her in a similar manner. If a person is killed, it is up to their relatives to kill the murderer. If not you were letting down a duty to your clan/tribe, which was considered the worst of all crimes.
Were the people in the world trade center not worthy of being avenged? p.s. I like wildlife, I take walks through my backyard a lot to unwind. But my dad was getting a bit tired of getting kicked awake at 2 a.m. because of some squirells. Trust me, there are wild rabbits and white tailed deer all over 'round here and we really love watching them, but you don't want to see MY mother when she's cranky... ------------------ "A man who won't die for something is not fit to live." http://animationfactory.angelfire.co...cks_md_clr.gif [This message has been edited by Killing Spree (edited 10-07-2001).] |
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