Nothing has said so much to me about the handling of the war. As long as Colin was around, I had some hope. This herald's a real defeat in the war between the Powell doctrine and the Wolfowicz doctrine of how to make war and peace.

Colin Powell resigns
Further Cabinet resignations expected
Monday, November 15, 2004 Posted: 10:46 AM EST (1546 GMT)

Secretary of State Colin Powell plans to stay on until his replacement is confirmed, officials say.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell has submitted his resignation to President Bush, the White House said on Monday.

Powell is the most prominent of four Cabinet officials whose resignations will be announced Monday, sources told CNN.

The others will be Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, Education Secretary Rod Paige and Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham, the sources said.

Powell told his senior staff that he planned to stay on until a replacement was confirmed, State Department officials said.

State Department officials told CNN that Bush and Powell decided mutually that it was time for him to go.

The officials said that Powell plans to keep working on a number of key issues, including North Korean nuclear talks, the Iraqi elections scheduled for January and Middle East peace process.

Powell was scheduled to travel to Egypt next week for a conference on Iraq.

A senior official said Monday that the State Department was trying to arrange a meeting between Powell and the new Palestinian leadership, but added the details have not been worked out. A date and place have not been set, the official said.

The official made the comment after Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath told reporters in Gaza City that Powell was expected to meet with the leadership next week in the West Bank.

Rumors have swirled about Powell's role in a second Bush administration, but neither the president nor the secretary had spoken publicly about his future.

Last week, when asked if he wanted Powell to stay on to oversee the Mideast peace process Bush told reporters: "I'm proud of my secretary of state. He's done a heck of a good job."

Powell told reporters that he had had several conversations with the president, but would not comment on what they said.

[ 11-16-2004, 03:47 AM: Message edited by: Ziroc ]

to think of his resignation, it makes me really wonder what and why? guess is he's unhappy of how things were handled or maybe how he was handled during his tenure. don't really know just a guess.

I think perhaps he'd rather move on to greater things... Rumors and whispers and speculation abound.

But I'm sad to see him go. I liked him more than anyone else on that administration.

I hope he becomes Secretary General of the UN and they make a movie about him. I'm still waiting to hear "James Earl Jones IS... Powell. Opening in theatres this winter." in the movie previews.

Was he pushed or did he jump Timber?


Do you not see him has the next repug presidential candidate Illumina?

Dang...there goes the guy out of that administration that I sincerely respect...wow...that sucks.

That goes for me too Ilander - the only guy too for that matter.

Wellard, I have no idea what the person I heard this from is basing it on - but I'll tell it anyway: Powell's wife isn't putting up with another term, and she wouldn't put up with a presidency.

Again, I have no idea what she was basing that on lol. I've never heard about his wife. She did predict that he'd resign if Bush won again 4 months ago, though. Hmmm maybe she's his mistress now that I think about it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Silly gossip aside, this is probably the closest thing to the truth so far.

Keep in mind that any of those high level government jobs just suck. Those people don't sleep enough, are stressed out like the poster child for Ritalin, and work absolutely ridiculous hours, especially during something like a war.

I seriously doubt I could do it, and I'll guarantee I couldn't do it twice.

Civic duty only goes so far, especially in a reportedly already strained marriage ...

Was he pushed or did he jump Timber?


Do you not see him has the next repug presidential candidate Illumina? </font>[/QUOTE]No, I don't. Know why? Because of his skin color.

I honestly don't think America is willing to elect someone whose skin tone is darker than Khaki on the color wheel.

I actually do respect him somewhat, and despite being a registered Democrat, might consider voting for him. If it was him going up against Kerry, I might pick Powell... I'd look at his views.

But I don't think America as a whole is ready for a president that isn't a white Christian male. This is the same reason Hillary won't win.

She won't win because she's a rabid communist, not because she's female ...

Lets all give a big Ironworks welcome to Condoleezza Rice as our new Secretary of State. Seig heil and all that

She won't win because she's a rabid communist, not because she's female ... </font>[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong. A man with her exact same views would fare far better than she would. Her views alienate some, on a few levels, but America is still a vastly sexist, racist, and homophobic nation, even if it's all subliminal.

<font color = lightgreen>I think most people are going to be sorry to see Gen. Powell leave. It's a shame, too, because he has all the standard requirements most people think someone in political office should have--an impeccable record, no public scandals, photogenic/telegenic, well-spoken, and charismatic.

Not that he will, but if 2008 were a showdown between Colin and Hilary, Colin would win. </font>

In a magical, hypothetical world, I agree... Sexism and racism aside, I feel liberals would be more likely to vote Powell than conservatives to vote Clinton, and people in the middle would lean more towards Powell.

She seems to be the most likely candidate...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=254647

As for the other positions, they'll probably give the NSA to Wolfowitz and the Secretary of Commerce to a Ferengi.

[ 11-16-2004, 06:00 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

I can't agree with you more here, but what I was saying was that all those sexist, racist homophobes were already voting Republican anyway :D

Seriously, though, there may be a moderate swing vote to be had, but it will not be won (or lost) because of sex/race/orientation.

Hillary's move to get the sexist/racist/homophobic vote (i.e. the conservative line) is not to switch gender -- though that would be interesting -- but rather to stop walking the same party line as Lenin ...

<font color=plum>Hillary has the same charisma that her husband possesses. It's one reason she was able to "relocate" to New York in a blantantly transparant move to become a Senator. There is no way she would have been elected to the Senate from Arkansas.

Despite her liberal views, the fact that she IS a woman will gain her a good number of the "swing votes" - especially from pro-choice and pro-women sectors.

I'm not sure if she could win the job as President in 2008, but I think she would be an excellent choice for VP. This would actually give her a better shot at the Oval Office, provided the Dems manage to put a strong candidate forward next time.

The Repubs will be in transition. Cheney would have a hard time beating Ralph Nadar, so he definitely won't be getting the nod from his party (even if he wanted it - which he may or may not). So the Repubs will have to field a new candidate themselves...that means that both parties will have a pretty level playing field in 2008.

I personally would liked to have seen more of what Howard Dean had to offer, but there is also a chance that Edwards may get a shot at the top job next time. He has the dashing good looks and boyish charm that hasn't been seen since JFK and there are already rumors the Dems may pursue that image for 2008.

Another name being mentioned for 2008 is Obama..but again, I think he would have a better shot as the VP instead of the President.

Either way, if the Dems win, then either Hillary or Obama would be in the White House for at least 4 years and possibley 8. And if they make it 8 years, they would BOTH be the obvious choice for the top spot in 2016.

So starting in the #2 job might actually be the best "long term" strategy for Hillary in her bid to win the White House.</font>

Hmmmm... where to begin.

No, sorry, I just don't think I can quite summon up the enthusiasm to begin at all to be honest with you.

Sorry Cerek but Hillary has no where near the Chrisma that Bill has. He was elected in a Red State, she had to run in an overwelmingly Blue State, if she runs in 08 she'll recieve an rear end whoop'n, unless there is something major to change the make-up of the USA.

I think the Republicans will run Condi in 08, so we may have a "chick fight" on our hands ;)

Two strikes. She wouldn't stand a chance.

And you know, I'm praying that someday I'll have to eat these words. It would be a small price to pay for a woman in the white house, or any minority at all.

[ 11-16-2004, 11:18 AM: Message edited by: Illumina Drathiran'ar ]

Two strikes. She wouldn't stand a chance.

And you know, I'm praying that someday I'll have to eat these words. It would be a small price to pay for a woman in the white house, or any minority at all. </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=plum>I wouldn't mind seeing Condi run chosen as the VP nor would I mind seeing Obama get a shot at the title. But I think ANY woman or minority would have to come in as the VP first before going for the top job. I could be wrong - and times ARE changing. I would want to know where ANY candidate stood on the issues important to me. Their race or gender is of secondary importance. I actually suggested that Colin Powell had a chance to be our first minority President right after Gulf War I. Many of our best Presidents have also been good military leaders - and I think Colin Powell definitely had the "right stuff" to be one of the great leaders of our nation.</font>

i would most certainly consider voting for Colin Powell as president. i think he has a fine, moderate, and wise mind. not an extremist, just right. would be great if he would run as an independent and i think he could still win. i'm really tired of having either repubs or demos get that job. i really dislike parties. crossing my fingers for 2008. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Two strikes. She wouldn't stand a chance.

And you know, I'm praying that someday I'll have to eat these words. It would be a small price to pay for a woman in the white house, or any minority at all. </font>[/QUOTE]Why would there be two strikes? 'Cause she female and Black? Well her being a Republican would alow her to get the evil bigoted sexist vote(everybody Knows only Republicans are those things.) The Dems would have to vote for her cause she's female and Black, after all to vote against her would make them bigoted and sexist No matter what her stance on any issue is.(everybody knows if you are against somebody that happens to be female or Black you must be bigoted and sexist there is no real other reason) So Condi would be the perfect candidate getting nearly 100% of the vote. ;)

Ah, but John, she has to make it through the primaries, doesn't she?

Republican primaries, and Republicans are moralist ignorant beer drinkers that don't vote on issues, just if our candidates go to church. Condi I believe at one time went to the 16th ST. Baptist church in Birmingham, Alabama. So she has the qualifications. Since it was the 16th St. Baptist Church where 4 little girls were killed by the Klan in a bombing, she's got the non bigoted Dem vote.

"Hale" the more I thunk on it Condi should get well over 100% of the vote. ;)

Unfortunately, when people go to the polls, the vote in secret. So, they're allowed to be racist/sexist and no one will know. When it comes down to it, it may be a conservative/hippie love-in for a bit to think about electing a Republican Black Female, but come poll day we all know many will get cold feet.

And let's not forget the fact that Rice hardly went unscratched through the first four years of the Bush administration - 9/11 hearings, anyone? I'd actually expected her to resign ages ago and disappear in political limbo or something; you know, get fat and grow a beard, like Al Gore did. ;)
But then again, Rumsfeld is still in office, too...