http://www.michaelmoore.com/

This is for those who were disappointed of the election. Some humor by Moore.

<font color=skyblue>I think it is likely what I heard on a talk radio station is true. That because of M. Moore's movie, more Republicans who were innactive voters were mad enough about his film to go out and vote for the first time in who knows when.

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Trust Moore to put a fun spin on things... ;)

Can I add that reason ~18 for not leaving the country is that.... in 4 years time we get to see the republicans heading for the border / slashing wrists when H.Clinton becomes the 'El Supremo'

worth the wait IMO [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

haha, it's an american thing eh? like pop tarts? well i never did get that XD

well i say the first one is the best there XD
good laugh

Come now, You actually think Americans will put HILLARY in the whitehouse?! LOL, thats a good one! Choc laughed too. ANYONE but her.

I hope Giuliani runs. I really like him, and think he would do a great job.

Giuliani was a scumbag as mayor of NYC, at least that's what i read everywhere, i don't think he stands much of a chance in a popularity contest. Better bring George's little bro. :D

Ah, somewhat amusing :D

Don't believe everything you read, Johnny. He was an EXCELLENT mayor during 9/11 (even if it was on election day), but I watched local NYC news for the last 8 years, and he's a good guy. He did make some mistakes, but HELLO, we all do, it's being human.

Trust me, he is VERY popular, and many liberals even like him.

PS: God no, NOT Jeb. We get him as a damn Gov now! I don't like him much..

Philosophical question: Would America be more likely to elect Hillary, a woman, or Powell, a black man?

I personally don't care if they are black, white, asian, or any other race. Man or woman. I look at the ISSUES they stand for, period.

[ 11-07-2004, 01:06 AM: Message edited by: Ziroc ]

<font color=plum>Ahhhhh....the wonderful, rapier wit of Michael Moore. I have to admit that a part of me wanted Kerry to win just Moore wouldn't have anything to whine about for the next 4 years. Then again, I don't which would be worse...listening to him complain for 4 more years or listening to him crow for 4 years.

Either way, the fact that Bush's re-election pisses him off so much is reason enough to vote for Bush (in my humble opinion [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) LOL :D </font>

<font color=plum>I actually suggested to a liberal buddy right after Gulf War I that Colin Powell might stand a good chance of being elected President. He has only improved his resume' since then. I don't know how the international community would feel about that after his meetings with the U.N. Council leading up to the Iraq War, but my guess is that they will view his actions as being directed by Bush, so they would realize he was just doing the job he was hired for.

I hear a LOT of suggestions that Hillary will run in 2008, but I doubt she could pull off the top job. There are still too many Red States that don't like her. It's possible that she could be added as the VP. That would give her a much better shot at the top job. I think the Dems are going to have a big advantage in the next election myself. I really don't think the Repubs will support Cheney as the Pres, so they will have to pick a new candidate. And I don't think Jeb would have a snowball's chance in HELL, because even a lot of Bush supporters weren't behind him 100% this time around. I think America in general has had enough of the Bush family - at least for now.

One other possibility on the Dem ticket is Obama (from Illinois). He is extremely popular (at least in his own state). Again, I'm not sure he could pull off the top job (BTW, I'm not questioning his ability OR Hillary's - I'm just saying I doubt they could WIN the election), but he might be another possible VP candidate.

On the Repub side, I have to agree that Guliani would stand a good chance of winning. He is very popular with BOTH sides of the spectrum and I think he might be seen as a President that would be more concerned with the American citizens and the good of the country rather than his political affiliation.</font>

I think '08 is a bit too early for Obama, though.

And Giuliani was a real class act when he blamed the troops for the failures in Iraq regarding the missing explosives. :rolleyes:

[ 11-07-2004, 04:41 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

I'm beginning to think you don't like ANY Republican, no matter the person. We could go through all of Clinton's closets, comments, and screw ups, but I won't...

EVERY PERSON in politics does/says things some people don't like, Bob. ( [img]smile.gif[/img] ). Look past silly/misrepresented comments which I am pretty sure he didn't mean in a nasty way.

I'm beginning to think both sides here AUTOMATICALLY hate 'insert Dem or Rep' just because they ARE Dem's or Rep's. (Sorry for the abr. I'm tired, and going to go pass out) ;) But you know what I mean? I really hope you and others here are not like that. Labels do not make the person. --Not every time.

Why bring up Clinton at all? Not being much of a fan of the Republican mindset doesn't automatically make me a Democrat... So who's doing the labeling now? [img]tongue.gif[/img] ;)
That aside, being an atheist and a left of center European as I am, there's much not to like about the Republican party and what it represents, whether it's the neo-con approach to other countries, or the religion-based issues (which are basically undebatable; just consider the IW moratorium on religious debates as exhibit A); and those are just the issues that don't even have anything to do with the actual differences between the definition-based and secular left and right-wing. So yes, I tend to disagree a lot more with the Republicans than with Democrats in general, even though this is most definitely not a black and white situation.

However, my remark regarding Giuliani has very little to do with "hating" republicans. I don't "hate" republicans, I disagree with them. Some of my disagreement borders on ridicule, but that's only when their policies are laughably stereotypical (Ashcroft, anyone?), or their opinions too extreme to warrant any serious responses (Coulter comes to mind). I mostly mentioned that thing about Giuliani because it genuinely surprised me (I actually saw the interview, in which he was basically saying that Kerry should cease his attacks on Bush because the troops, and not the Commander-in-Chief, was basically responsible for the missing explosives). Now, while there's some logic to his words and while I'm not demanding Rumsfeld's retirement over this or anything, the rules regarding responsibility in the field are clear enough that you can't just distance yourself from any failures, you have a certain responsibility as a commander-in-chief that you have to take.
And for the record, I would have considered Giuliani's comments tasteless *regardless* of his political affiliation. ;)

[ 11-07-2004, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

<font color=plum>Yes, the Commander-in-Chief has to accept a certain level of responsibility, but Kerry and Edwards were stating that Bush was directly responsible for the lost explosives. That it was all HIS FAULT. And that simply isn't the case. They also made it sound like this had happened just a couple of weeks ago instead of 18 months ago.

So if you want to be upset about tasteless comments and baseless accusations, you need to spread an equal amount of disdain on the actions and comments of Kerry and Edwards.</font>

Who says I didn't? You've participated in the same topic regarding this a few weeks back as I did, and I clearly stated that I don't agree with Kerry's opportunistic approach to this issue. And sure, Giuliani was "only" responding to Kerry's allegations, but he went a few steps too far in his assessment, in my opinion.
But come on, do I really need to put a "but Democrats are evil too, mmmkay" disclaimer in every single one of my posts, especially when I've made my opinions more than clear on numerous occasions already? Maybe a thing to consider for my signature... :rolleyes:

Either way, before others feel like misinterpreting my words - let it be noted that Giuliani, while no saint, is still more than capable to run for President in '08 in my opinion.

[ 11-07-2004, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

I have a more disdain of Bush and Cheney for their comments and actions. I've like most of what Kerry and Edward has said and done. That's why I voted for K&E. Unfortunately, more people liked B&C. Oh well, my life goes on with whoever is in the Whitehouse.

On another note, I don't vote like to vote a straight ticket just for a particular party. I have voted in the past for other parties in for different offices. There are few Repubs I would not vote for especially when I notice that they are too far right. Now there are some that I would very much consider such as John McCain and Colin Powell. I too think Powell was doing his job and really get the sense he's disappointed with Bush and how the war went. Guiliani? Er no I would note vote for him.

Hillary Clinton in 2008? Maybe as VP, but as of right now she's a long shot IMO. Still anything can change within the next 4 years. I would definitely consider her for my vote. Barack Obama in 2008? If the country is hungry for new leadership besides the Repubs, and depending who else is running against him, and how what has he done for Illinois, he might have a shot but still toooooo early to call. This is his first term as senator, he's still green. Jeb Bush in 2008? That guy is a crook! I really believe he rigged the voting in 2000 election year of Florida. Yeah he looked good during the hurricane, but that's just a cloak. I don't trust that man.

Come now, You actually think Americans will put HILLARY in the whitehouse?! LOL, thats a good one! Choc laughed too. ANYONE but her.

I hope Giuliani runs. I really like him, and think he would do a great job. </font>[/QUOTE]No I don’t think She will either, I just threw her name in the ring because I like the way she makes some people froth at the mouth [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] Just say Clinton or Moore and stand back to watch the fireworks ... Its good fun :D

The worst thing about Jeb Bush running would be having to listen to another 4 years of conspiracy plotters :rolleyes:

Giuliani left a good impression on me after the way he handled New York’s crime rate, sure he cracked a few eggs but so what? Though if anyone wants to educate me and link me to a site of his misdemeanours feel free. He his A Republican many Democrats could (and have) voted for.

Bobbby.. Clinton as in Hillary. She is who we were talking about. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Well, Moore's advice came too late for this guy.
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...4014-5053r.htm

And reason 18)You're not Michael Moore! [img]graemlins/evillaughter1.gif[/img]

You can't convince me there wasn't something else going on in his life at the same time, though - you don't just kill yourself over a thing like this. Though I suppose that doesn't sell the news that well. ;)

[ 11-08-2004, 01:23 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

Still doesn't change my point, though.

You'll have to say the same for New York Times . the Washington Post ,ABC News , Newsday , or the Grand Forks Herald then.

If you want to keep this up, I have many more links available. Otherwise, thanks for playing.

[ 11-08-2004, 01:38 AM: Message edited by: DBear ]

<font color=plum>All joking aside, that is a terrible tragedy. After all, Bush will only be in power for 4 more years. No matter how badly you disagree with him or his policies, 4 years isn't that long - especially for someone who was only 25. This guy still had the best years of his life ahead of him.

<font color=orange>Grojlach</font> - I agree with you in theory. Surely there were more factors involved other than this guy being upset by the election. Suicide is a terrible tragedy regardless of the reasons, but to think it was committed over the election alone would make it an even more horrible waste. [img]graemlins/verysad.gif[/img] </font>

You'll have to say the same for New York Times . the Washington Post ,ABC News , Newsday , or the Grand Forks Herald then.

If you want to keep this up, I have many more links available. Otherwise, thanks for playing. </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry, but I had already edited out that particular comment even before you posted your response - in case you wondered why it's gone from my post now (as it has nothing to do with your reply). I should have checked it myself before posting it (the only news sources I had seen bringing it up so far were Fox and the WT), but I had already added the reply when I was already on my way to CNN to double-check on it. So thanks I suppose for correcting me, but it wasn't really necessary.