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Uh-oh :(

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[ 06-21-2004, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Are they sure they wanna walk this road ?

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I don't know...the decent thing for them to do would have been to "escort" the small boats back into non-Iranian waters. That is what would have happened were the situation reversed.</font>

link no work :(

anyone else see operation "lets kill iran" on the horizon? not that i would mind...

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Thats odd Yorick :( it works for me....hmmm


Promethius...don't know, I would say that is the call of the UK....I'm sure that the US would back them no matter what their choice is.</font>

Storm in a teacup..... Unless the British where up to no good

People never learn... round 2.

<font color=skyblue>I was wondering how many more televised beheadings we were going to have to sit through before something "big" was done to retaliate against them. Maybe this will be the final straw?</font>

The Mad Ayatollah will not do anything irreversible. He wants nukes, and that means minimum attention to his terror state. I bet he shouted personally on those that detained British personnel. He should have them escorted to the iraqi waters.
An interesting question arises-is there a nuke facility near the coast?

Another war? We got troops?


Mark

What about the money?

Money doesn't matter. We'll keep the tax cuts and deficit spend our children's future into a downward spiraling mess, with money funneled into new and improved wars. [img]tongue.gif[/img]


Mark

I don't think these men will be executed as that would turn the eyes of the (Western) world on Iran, and there's would be a risk (from their point of view) that their days in power would be counted.

[ 06-22-2004, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: Stratos ]

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Why do people always think that using troops that you already pay for every day and ships you pay for every day and ammo you use every day and tanks and trucks and stuff you use every day are are so much more expensive when used for the real thing than when they are used for regular dayily training and deployment? Yeah it does cost more, but not nearly as much as some people would have you believe.

Be that as it may....keep ignoring the economy's real state and the fact that things will probably never be the same again as they were before 9/11 and get used to budget deficits...I heard all these very same arguments back when Reagan doubled the federal revenues with his tax cuts..then congress trippled their spending. It took less than 10 years to turn around and get rid of all the deficits (if you believe the Clintonian figures)...learn from history folks...please stop with the same old tired worries. Find some new ones...or maybe ones that will actually occur. It will definately help your mental state and stress level.</font>

It's not your day MagiK this is correction #3

Eveybody knows Reagan caused the spending increases, He wrote the spending bills and passed them through Congress all by himself, no Congressman ever voted for a single spending bill during Reagan's 2 terms. Reagan suspended the US Constitution, you know that part that says ALL bill pertaining to money MUST start in the House of Representatives ;)

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J. D. YOu forget the massive social programs he had to pass in order to get the defense spending he wanted YES he signed the bills NO they were not his idea. It was a necessary Concession he had to make against his personal desires in order to get the greater good of...you guessed it..Defense spending programs that would collapse the Soviet Union....I don't see your correction as being [img]smile.gif[/img] Correct ;) </font>


Edit: It really DOES seem to be my day [img]smile.gif[/img]

And uhhh where are the other two corrections?

[ 06-22-2004, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Looks Like this Tempest in a Tea Cup got a tad larger overnight...Story Link

<font color=skyblue>I have hope that they can be rescued, by special forces if not given up by Iran.

The worst way a soldier can die is either killed by his own countrymen or alone behind enemy lines as an MIA/POW, in my opinion.</font>

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Given how these people like to totrture and to commit gruesome acts..I think I would prefer to die from friendly fire...but thats just a guess, not having been in that situation.</font>

[ 06-22-2004, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

I don't think Iran dares to kill or torture the soldiers.

I'm sorry. I forgot seeing things from a different perspective isn't allowed. I'll crawl back into my hole and shut up now. ;)

Mark

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=540&ncid=716

The British Soldiers and Sailors will be released, but Iran is keeping the boats (at least they're going to try)

[ 06-23-2004, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]

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Im just glad they didn't kill the guys. Who cares about "things" its the Men that I considered of the greatest issue. However...will it not be considered an act of piracy if they keep the boats, they were flagged and just because you drift half a mile off course does not necesarilly mean you are subject to the loss of your vessel.


Edit: My view point on the vessels may be the difference between Civilized western society and laws vs....more primitive types of government.</font>

[ 06-23-2004, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

It's just been announced that they have been handed over to the British.

Damn this diplomacy thing. We had a chance to escalate the war and invade Iran here. Why didn't we go gung-ho and send in special forces. The Iranians might have beheaded them (although they have absolutely NO history of doing this).

I realise that it was the Iranian military who were holding them but if you read the reports quickly you can be forgiven for mistakenly believing that they were terrorists, and from there you can call them Al Quaida. I suppose the Iranians will blame the blindfolding thing on the grunts on the ground.

(Good news though! :D )

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Nice stretch there Donut [img]smile.gif[/img] No Ceegar however.
Apples and cumquats. :D


You would first require 14 UN resolutions and 12 years......
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Oh glad to hear that the Guys have been released unharmed. What happened to the boats? Did the Iranians keep them?
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Have you seen what type of boats we're talking about here ? If i were Tony Blair, i'd say keep em. Let them think they now have a powerful Navy. :D

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I understand they are small boats and not Ships. Outboard powered 2 - 4 man crew...Usually used only in brown water ops.

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Agreed, but i don't think this is serious enough to go crazy about. I still think the Iranians were trying to send out a message here though, whatever that may be. They definitely don't want to make the Brits their enemy, they can't be THAT stupid, so i'm a little puzzled about the idea behind all this, because it has the smell of a political move.

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Oh no, I wouldn't say go crazy, if however they had decapitated the Brits...THAT would have been reason to go crazy.</font>

All over bar the shouting. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Do we know if this was the first incursion by the allies? It's been difficult to wade through the hysteria to find Iran's position on this. Does any one know for sure how many warnings have been issued before, if any?

Anyone wonder what the "Iron Lady's" reaction would have been ? :D

Under Thatcher we would not have had the boats to begin with.

And

The soldiers would have been a mercenary army ... The British free trade no foreigners legion ;) :D

Have you seen what type of boats we're talking about here ? If i were Tony Blair, i'd say keep em. Let them think they now have a powerful Navy. :D </font>[/QUOTE]I think they were MK12 Amphibians, we used to row them on the lake at Finsbury park when we were kids. There will be a fine for getting them back late though [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 06-24-2004, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: Lanesra ]

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To: Lanesra and Wellard.....LOL :D

To: WHoever asked about others straying across the line. It's the dang water...they keep painting the lines out there and they keep moving....these guys were not very far over the line (about a kiometer) and Im inclined to think that, as with any line in the water, people are constantly crossing from one side to the other without any issue being made. It's only when places like Iran and Libya draw lines of death in the water that things get real interesting.</font>

[ 06-24-2004, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

MagiK :D

Lets all be gratefull that commonsense ruled.

here's the real deal, apparently

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Now....is it true? who knows?</font>

according to the linked article the british deny having custody of the 40, so who really knows...