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dplax 06-20-2004 02:51 PM

Source: BBC

Saddam Hussein could face the death penalty if found guilty by a war crimes tribunal, its head has told the BBC.
Salem Chalabi said Iraqi law permitted execution for murderers, but a current coalition-imposed moratorium on capital punishment would have to be lifted.

Mr Chalabi told the BBC's Breakfast with Frost programme that hundreds of Iraqis had been flocking to submit evidence against their former rulers.

But he said the trials were unlikely to get under way for at least one year.

Negotiations over Saddam

Mr Chalabi - nephew of Ahmed Chalabi, the once influential but now largely discredited head of the Iraqi National Congress - faces the challenging task of trying to organise the trials of former Iraqi leaders suspected of war crimes amid violent resistance to the new order.

Iraq's tarnished judicial system also requires major reform.

Mr Chalabi, director of Iraq's war crimes tribunal, said "intensive negotiations" were taking place with coalition authorities over the handling of Saddam Hussein.

He said he hoped the ousted president could be placed in Iraqi custody "relatively soon" after the 30 June transition of power - along with other "high-value targets" in coalition custody.

Mr Chalabi said Iraqi law allowed the imposition of a death sentence on those convicted of murder or rape.

However, Mr Chalabi said, the death penalty had been suspended in Iraq by interim administrator Paul Bremer and the suspension would remain unless the new Iraqi government acts "affirmatively" to remove it.

The imposition of a death sentence would be highly contentious. Some co-sponsors of the war in Iraq, such as the UK, strongly oppose the use of capital punishment.

Tide of evidence

Mr Chalabi was forced to conceal his appearance during the interview for his own protection, and he conceded that there were dangers facing "everybody involved in trying to build a democratic Iraq".

But Mr Chalabi said the apparent risks of being seen to collaborate with the new authorities had not appeared to deter Iraqis from rushing to file evidence against their former rulers.

"We have opened one regional office to take information from witnesses and there are literally hundreds, if not thousands [of people] that come in on a regular basis trying to give information."

He said the opening of additional regional offices had been postponed because of the tribunal's concerns about the safety of the witnesses, and a 30-strong team dedicated to setting up a witness protection programme.

Mr Chalabi sounded cautiously upbeat about the progress his team is making in preparing the ground for war trials.

'Decent' system

Iraq's judicial system was set up in the 1920s by the British, he said, and is actually "pretty decent, although it was played around with by the previous regime".

He said a new independent council of judges had been established and some judges had been sent to the international court at the Hague for training.

But Mr Chalabi cautioned that there was a long road ahead.

Investigations would only begin in earnest after arrest warrants for suspects were issued after the handover, he said - and then it would probably be "a year or two" before the trials could begin.

Stratos 06-20-2004 03:04 PM

I would expect that this would be Saddams fate when he's handed over the Iraqs.

Black Baron 06-20-2004 03:04 PM

Incorrect. Saddam will face the death penalty, and he will be executed. The question is only about the way-officially, or not?

[ 06-20-2004, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Black Baron ]

Stratos 06-20-2004 03:07 PM

I think he will be shot.

Xen 06-20-2004 03:54 PM

He must first be sentenced. Then we will see what will happen. (Whatever will it be ... it won` be good)

Son of Osiris 06-20-2004 04:13 PM

Why am I not surprised?

promethius9594 06-20-2004 07:55 PM

oh, unless they put him in solitary confinement for life, hes a dead man.

even if they didnt execute him, they would put him in a prison with a bunch of men he put there for sneezing the wrong way after chopping off their ears, tongues, or tips of noses... yeah, he's not going to live real long like that.

MagiK 06-20-2004 08:03 PM

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My only thought when I read the title of the thread was..."I should certainly hope so" Since torture and commensurate punishments for his crimes are not allowed by the "World Court of Opinion" the only decent thing to do would be to execute him as quickly and as cheaply as practicable.
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Gab 06-20-2004 08:29 PM

He's one of the few bastards who derserves to be executed.

Felix The Assassin 06-20-2004 09:08 PM

Oh Hell's no. Execution would be way to easy for the bastige.

Put him in a cell with American liberal TV, radio, and the freedom that the Iraqi people will enjoy.

No outside comms with anybody!

johnny 06-20-2004 09:42 PM

Yeah, make him watch the bold and the beautiful continuously, that'll set an example.

Illumina Drathiran'ar 06-20-2004 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnny:
Yeah, make him watch the bold and the beautiful continuously, that'll set an example.
I wouldn't have labeled you someone in favor of cruel and unusual punishment.

Timber Loftis 06-21-2004 01:13 AM

If they would plug him into Fox News Clockwork-Orange-style for eternity, I would be quite pleased. Barring that, just end his life please -- he's had too much fun at the expense of others for one go-round on this earth.

promethius9594 06-21-2004 02:50 AM

ive got it, this one is masterful. we put him in solitary with no contact with the outside world (like you guys said) then we make him watch nothing but playboy videos, road trip, american pie, mall rats, jay and silent bob strike back, and star wars. we feed him only hamburgers and we only let him listen to american music that followed 9/11. on the wall will be welded a metal cross, and his only literature will be the american constitution, books on why america is great, and christian reading materials.

once hes completely indoctrinated we bring him out, show the world our new b*tch and send him off to iraq to join the soldiers in patrolling for terrorists... er, we make him go by himself, because he'd get attacked by any sane iraqi.

Black Baron 06-21-2004 05:53 AM

Cruel, cruel man, promethius. But not as cruel as i am: solitary cell with teletubbies as a company. :D

Davros 06-21-2004 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
If they would plug him into Fox News Clockwork-Orange-style for eternity, I would be quite pleased. Barring that, just end his life please -- he's had too much fun at the expense of others for one go-round on this earth.
Damn you TL - a great suggestion, and you beat me to it :D

Son of Osiris 06-21-2004 11:40 AM

Do to him what he did to every Iraqi!

MagiK 06-21-2004 11:49 AM

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You can't do that Whackmeister...you can only kill him one...he has more murders on his hands than anyone since Stalin.</font>

johnny 06-21-2004 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Whackmiester:
Do to him what he did to every Iraqi!
Rape him ?!? Errrrr... will you do the honors ? :D

promethius9594 06-21-2004 01:17 PM

Do to him what he did to every Iraqi!

even short of killing him outright, there are only so many ears, tongues, eyes, hands and noses that a man can have cut off... not to mention only so many limbs that he could have broken.

id rather see him indoctrinated to western culture, then given a handgun and see what he does among his own people, or rather, what they do to him. (the hand gun is just for fairness, it wont last... just for added kicks, we'll fill it with blanks)


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