Now, as you good people are well aware, I am by no means a "bleeding heart" liberal. But how does anti-war, liberalism or whatever equate to anti-patriotic? Or worse Treason?

This is an excerpt from an interview with Anne Coulter on her latest book Treason.

Treason is a very specific charge. It does not include civil disobedience or exercising 1^st Ammendment rights. It does include espoinage and activily working with declared enemies (what was that kids name, Mark - John or something ... the "American Taliban"?), but not voicing opinions or internal political activism.

Before anyone goes on an anti-government rant, let's cool down a little.

This book does not represent any official stances or policies. They are the words of one single rabble-rouser.

Still I find some of her points rather troublesome:


Firstly she seems to think that being against their own country is a plausible enough motivation for a rather large segment of the american political establishment. This is just plain stupid. Even the terrorists has hatred and lost pride as a motivation.

Secondly she seems to welcome the idea of USA becoming a one-party state, by saying that the democrats should be gotten rid of altogether. Sure there are other (minor) parties in the US, but I doubt that she would applaud their rise to power.

What an ....erm....unpleasant female. :D

Just shows that there was extremists in everything. Of course it isn't unpatriotic to be liberal. That is one thing that is great about America---we have a right to not approve of everything our government does. I believe the two party system helps to keep things in balance.

Actually any party system destroys what was intended. Parties ignore what the representitives are supposed to do .... represent their constituants intrests.

I can't stand the old "your unpatriotic for having a dissenting veiwpoint" argument. It is a lame and unintellectual practice that she takes to the extreme.

I have gotten a great kick out of listening to her extreme type of neo-con foam at the mouth on many a talk-radio show. These days, with the supreme court partially upholding affirmative action, being closely followed by the Texas Sodomy case gave me hours of entertainment as they sputtered and fumed. Anne should get her own radio show. I would love to hear her show how dumb she is more often on the public airwaves. Here is an example...

I saw her on Geraldo's saturday FOX show, she started laughing when the "liberal" began a discourse about the current Iraq situation and how our troops are dying practically everyday. LAUGHING!

She was so caught up in her superiority complex, she failed to hear what the guy was saying and laughed at a most inappropriate time. It was shameful, but goes to show what a pompous arrogant superiority complex gets you. I mean, It's one thing to have a counter-argument agianst the poor planning and over-optimism, I can respect that.

It is another thing to keep laughing while the guy turned the discussion to the grim and tragic truth that our guys & gals are dying. Shameful.

It would serve her well to get some listening skills, look up Patriotism in the dictionary, and at least glance at the constitution while she is at it.

[ 07-16-2003, 04:38 AM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

Q: TL, what do you think of that response?
A: I think if she was here in front of me right now and said that, I'd bitch-slap her.

Q: Bitch-slap?
A: I think I'll trust the readers to understand it.

[ 07-16-2003, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

What else would you expect from the pinup girl of the hateful Right? She stated in an interview last year that the 9/11 hijackers should have crashed a plane into the New York Times building while they were at it.

I thought lawyers only bitch-slaped by padding their bills? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Did Coulter say that liberals are engaged in treasonous behavior because they hold a view contrary to hers? No. She accuses them of activly supporting and protecting the enemies of the US. For decades liberals in congress and around the country conspired to hinder our struggle against communism. I remember members of Congress meeting with Castro in New York, giving the brutal, murderous dictator a pair of boxing gloves that had Castro is #1 printed on them. Hell, to this day you can still find libs who claim that Alger Hiss (a soviet spy) was rail roaded. And this in spite of the release of his soviet handlers papers showing just what he did for them.

About that kind of question, I recently read a very interesting article here. It is about the Iraqi war, and some people may argue that it is somewhat partial ;) , but I believe it nonetheless highlights interesting points.

Basically the summary of what I understood of it is that for all sides it is essential to convince the U.S. citizens that they are acting according to the founding values of the American nation. Hence, possibly, the accusations of being "anti-americanism" and "treason" popping now and then. It is just the classic political dance, really. ;)

[ 07-16-2003, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: Moiraine ]

<font color = lightgreen>I think Ms. Coulter needs to take another look at her dictionary in order to re-learn what "treason" really is, because it certainly isn't the desire to make sure that elected officials are held accountable for their actions or that our current course of action may not be the most wise. She knows her audience and is simply catering to their tastes, nothing more.
"The Democrats should go away"? [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/erm.gif[/img] I have news for her--both parties should disappear. Neither of them have the true long-term best interest of the country at heart, only proving the other side to be wrong.

As far as the question regarding whether or not America is an empire.... If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck. Yes, we are an empire; it is about time someone finally said it.

So what?

Suppose a country suffers a regime change, for whatever reason. Would you, as a citizen of that country, rather have America is charge or some other nation like China? I know which one I would choose.
I am always a rationalist, which means I strive always to see things as they are. Having said that, to use that trite phrase America is the "city on a hill". Were every country in the world to be like America, then there would be a lot of people with jobs and the freedom to live their own life as they see fit.
True, there are problems in America and the way we do things; no one is perfect. Like I said, I am a realist. However, I still think this is the best place to live and I, for one, thoroughly enjoy the fact that I am from America.

See, I'm not rabid like Ms. Coulter. People have every right not to like America, but they really should try it before they knock it. Besides, I find others' dislike of America both puzzling and irrelevant. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] </font>

Can we say this for all first-world "democracies" and psuedo-democracies, including France, England, Germany, Norway, Japan, Aussie, Canada, et al, ad nauseum??

Jay Leno's best joke tonight: "They published a list of nations that dislike the USA -- it's called The World Atlas."

Can we say this for all first-world "democracies" and psuedo-democracies, including France, England, Germany, Norway, Japan, Aussie, Canada, et al, ad nauseum??

Jay Leno's best joke tonight: "They published a list of nations that dislike the USA -- it's called The World Atlas."
</font>[/QUOTE]You can in Canada. I've been across Europe and South East Asia and in most of the places there it seemed to me like you could as well. [img]smile.gif[/img]

It's a funny joke, i like Jay Leno's monologues most of the time. :D

[ 07-17-2003, 02:04 AM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]

Bad joke. How can a nation dislike the US ? It's a group of people in a nation that don't like the US. In the same nation there will also be numerous people who do like the US.

But then again, It's Leno's statement. One of the most ignorant person's i've ever seen on my TV screen. I can't believe he and Letterman are always fighting, they have so much incommon.

<font color = lightgreen>For the most part, yes. However, the other nations you list don't seem to have the negative reputation that we Americans enjoy.

I wonder what would happen if we suddenly stopped any and all foreign aid, quit messing around with other nations' governments/politics, and simply engaged in free trade with anyone willing to trade? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] </font>

<font color = lightgreen>For the most part, yes. However, the other nations you list don't seem to have the negative reputation that we Americans enjoy.

<Font color=Yellow> Pick one or the other!</font>
I wonder what would happen if we suddenly stopped any and all foreign aid, quit messing around with other nations' governments/politics, and simply engaged in free trade with anyone willing to trade? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] </font> </font>[/QUOTE]<Font color=Yellow>Pick one or the other!</font>


<Font color=yellow>free trade = is messing around with politics. Our money is our biggest weapon. We buy stuff we don't need and tariff stuff we do.</font>

I always find it very strange that people say things like this in a multi-party system. I would be very surprised if she agreed with everything (or anything! ;) ) Clinton did while he was in office - he was one of those terrible Democrats that she disagrees with so strongly after all. Surely she held a dissenting viewpoint then - how treacherous of her! ;)

I always find it very strange that people say things like this in a multi-party system. I would be very surprised if she agreed with everything (or anything! ;) ) Clinton did while he was in office - he was one of those terrible Democrats that she disagrees with so strongly after all. Surely she held a dissenting viewpoint then - how treacherous of her! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]No you mis-understand her point. You are only a traitor if you disagree with the Rupublican viewpoint of the world. Regardless of who is in the White House.