I heard on NPR today that the average citizens of Pakistan and India have no clue what will happen in the event of a nuclear incident. They are not the least bit concerned about the reprecussions of a nuclear war.

Here is a link with the full story in the World News section: "India: Musharraf Speech 'Disappointing and Dangerous'" which can be played with Real Player. http://news.npr.org/

There is nothing worse than countries that are ready to wage war and not consider the consequences.

Mark

<font color=orange>Thats just kind of wrong. If they wage war, and they fire nukes, they could well, i'm sure you know...</font>

Exactly! It would be very bad if this did happen, that it would be the first domino to fall, of many.

Mark

<font color=Orange>Could you explain the Domino thing? I don't quite understand it.</font>

Sir Goloum, there is a gme where you line up dominos and push over the firs, which knocks over the second, etc. That was a cold war metaphor (now considered discredited in part) that when one country went Communist, it destabilized its neighbors, creating conditions which favored them to become Communist. It is now used as a metaphor for anything that causes a ripple effect, generally undesirable.

What I mean is once a nation uses a nuke on another, there is a possibility that other nuclear powers may consider doing the same.

This is quite a far stretch of the imagination, but I feel that it is possible.

Nukes are meant as devices to even the playing field so that if your enemy has them they will not use them for fear of retaliation because you have them, too.

These nations don't have any regulatory commissions to guard against accidental detonation. And they have no fear..just anger. I feel a mistake could lead to a set of circumstances that would cause severe instability in the Middle East (more than now). The reprecussions could be disastrous.

I don't want to be so alarmist, but both sides have no business posessing these weapons.

Mark

Not to mention the death toll for years to come on innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict. If they let 'em fly, they condemm, not only the people who are living there now but their children aswell, even unborn ones.

Look on the bright side. If they nuke each other then Sally Struthers wont be on your TV any more begging for you to send money to these "Developing Nations"(A.K.A. giant 3rd world welfare ghetto) for food and medicine. There is also the matter of India being one of the most overpopulated countries in the world , second only to China. A nuclear war could solve that pesky problem in a jiffy!! It would also ease the strain on the earths other resources like oxegen and water.I am also pretty sure a nuclear war would give them exactly what the deserve as well. Where are the peacemakers in all this nuclear testing?? If neither side wants to consider peace then both sides deserve the right to annihilate each other. Maybe the world will be better off without them. THis could be a classic example of stupidity being painfull for once. I for one am all for it. I just hope that America and the European Union keep their noses and more importantly thier troops out of it, Its none of there damn buisness anyway.

I heard they just test fired another one. Penis measuring contest to begin next week ;)

That's one hell of an idea. Maybe we should convince them that whoever has the largest or the smalest wins the conflict [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] .

I'm with the Hunter,let them fight. Plus I'd lose the penis contest so I had little choice

Of course, in a nuclear exchange the fallout can be carried by prevailing winds and then infect other countries who really don't want to share the glow.

Mark

Maybe that would help out the population problems in those countries also? [img]smile.gif[/img]

<font color=Orange>But surely, Lord of Alchohol, there is a much less sick way to solve overpopulation.</font>

Of course there is! Education! Look how well it does [img]smile.gif[/img]

Of course there is! Education! Look how well it does [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=Orange>I don't understand, Lord.</font>

He means better educated people are more likely to not start familys while they are teens and are more likely to use birth control ;)

Oh and if we adopt the measuring contest we could finally defeat china [img]smile.gif[/img]

Its a shame they dont have neutron bombs though. Such a waste to blow up all the industrial facilities. Very expensive to rebuild!

What is the blast radius on neutron bombs?

Just a little curious...did anyone listen to the sound clip. And if so, what did you think about the part about the rejoicing about testing nuclear weapons in Pakistan?

Mark

LOL!!!

Yeah it sucks that they have nukes, but there is nothing that can be done about it now. It is not our business to step in and determine how they conduct their own affairs.

If they launch on eachother, there is really nothing we can do, so I'd just accept the outcome and look on the bright side by appreciating the easy solution to the population control issue.

I'm not sure. The actual destructive blast radius is fairly small but the radiation goes quite a bit further. Maybe a couple miles, I'm not sure.

Are you so sure. You'll have at least one advantage. Two actually. Viagra and penis enlargements :D . The Chinese don't have these things yet. But that might be considered doping, hmmm, better ask the ref. Wich one of the ladies feels compelled to step up on be the referee [img]tongue.gif[/img] .

[ 05-28-2002, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: the new JR Jansen ]

Wow. I never really thought that Nukes would be used as a tool for population control.

Of course, I never suggested anyone should step in to stop them. I was mostly looking for reactions about Pakistan and India not understanding the implications of their actions.

But, if this is to be one world, any nation using nukes ,is actually everyones business.

Mark

<font color=Orange>Too true mr. skywalker! 1 nuke could affect the whole world!</font>

Think in terms of Darwin , skywalker. The life forms that survived the nuclear fall out would be stronger and tougher than the other organisms on the planet. With a little mutative luck the giant killer roaches from that movie "Mimic" could become a reality after all.

Well, if they choose to use them (and its a good possibility) theres absolutly nothing we can do about it. I would hope they dont target each others leaders though, somebodies gotta stay stop.

The regular citizens need not compete. We will just send our porn stars over to take all comers ;)

<font color=Orange>now that would be scary, and your right. The would probably turn into real Godzilla's!</font>

Or we could just get 2 headed cows and super mutants like in fallout [img]smile.gif[/img]

Also we could get some outstanding nuclear research in the event of a limited nuclear exchange in the third world. Without expending any of our vastly more expensive( and superior) missiles! Its almost a freebie!

<font color=Orange>THAT would be funny. Imagine if they had 3 sets of udders too!</font>

The regular citizens need not compete. We will just send our porn stars over to take all comers ;) </font>[/QUOTE]And as a ref, i would recommand Monica Lewinski :D .

<font color=Orange>Too true mr. skywalker! 1 nuke could affect the whole world!</font></font>[/QUOTE]1 nuke could affect the world politically, but that's about it. They really aren't as bad as people think. Sure they're weapons of mass destruction, but people have really hyped them up to be more than they are. If a nuclear weapon was detonated, it would be a tragedy, no doubt, but it wouldn't be the end of the world, and it wouldn't be nearly as bad as you all might think.

<font color=Orange>THAT would be funny. Imagine if they had 3 sets of udders too!</font></font>[/QUOTE]That would settle a part of the food problem with overpopulation aswell. Three udders give more milk then one [img]tongue.gif[/img] .

<font color=Orange>true, but it could also cause many other countries to nuke other countries and....you see my point.</font>

<font color=Orange>THAT would be funny. Imagine if they had 3 sets of udders too!</font></font>[/QUOTE]That would settle a part of the food problem with overpopulation aswell. Three udders give more milk then one [img]tongue.gif[/img] .</font>[/QUOTE]<font color=Orange>Yes it does. :D :D </font>

<font color = lightgreen>Neither side will "lead off" with a nuclear strike, in any event. The one who launches first will immediately become the "bad guy" to the rest of the world and lose the political/media war; all their allies will abandon them.
Should the two go to all-out war, they will begin with purely conventional forces, or even chemical if they are sneaky can control the story in the media.

No, there won't be any "domino" effect. Even if both countries push "the button", no other sane country will. No one would want to take the risk of following the other lemmings off that particular cliff.

The only thing I haven't been able to figure out is which area will get hotter faster: Israel/Palestine or Pakistan/India?</font>

[ 05-28-2002, 11:22 PM: Message edited by: Azred ]

I think it will be Israel/Palestine. Israel is gonna get tired of going easy on palestine soon.

It depends on the size of the bomb as to how big the blast radius would be. A five mile blas radius would be a large one but as someone else said, the radiation goes much further. Its not the blast thats destructive, its the radiation. To destroy buildings isnt the goal. Kill the people that occupy them, thats the goal. Something else to think about is the alliances that these nations have. Who are the Pakis friends??? Who are the Indians friens with??? It could easily be more than 2 morons wiping eachother out.