Boy do i have nice friends or what?I get all warm and fuzzy evry time they say "Andrew your to stupid to be serious!"Or anything else that involves being able to make fun of me.I just about cry of happiness when they say "Andrew,your drawings are stupid."I'm the best drawer in the school(well except some of the teachers.)Or they say that Manga is pronouced Man-Gay.Or when they make fun of me and make rumors or tell my secrets and when I yell at them for telling they say "I thought you said we could tell.".I'm serious my friends are jerks.I just want to say that my real friends are right here on Ironworks.You guys respect me,help me,and comfort me when I'm troubled or worried.My best friend that is moving is the only one that gives me the respect i want.Before i got on IW(Ironworks for those who don't know.) in the 4th grade I thought hard about suicide.Yes,suicide.I wanted to comite suicide'but I thought about all I had before me.Especially my family.And you guys.You guys are like family to me.I'm glad I met ya.I've gotten so mad at a friend that I punched him and got in deep trouble. [img]graemlins/imtough.gif[/img]

Well they don't sound like friends to me.. I mean between my mates we have some friendly joking and little things, but not like that.

They sure don't sound like 'friends' to me. It kinda sounds like they are jealous of you. They probably can't draw! [img]smile.gif[/img]

If I were you, I would find some new friends and totally ignore the idiots--let them talk their crap, just be the bigger person and don't waste 1 brain cell worrying about them, or what they THINK. Who are THEY? Pff. screw 'em!

Keep Drawing, and doing what YOU enjoy. Find others that have the same interests.

And suicide? over them? You would let those types of people drive you to kill yourself?? Hell no! Don't give in to that, be strong and know that you are better than them.

Hang in there, things get better, sometimes you just have to MAKE them get better (losing them, and getting REAL friends) and you will begin to feel good, and even open up more.

[ 05-20-2002, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: Ziroc ]

Hey Andrew, at IW the basic rule is you are judged by your actions, not your age, race, creed or colour. You will find people here who will listen and give you advice. Don't be afraid to ask.

be tough, kick their ass they do that next time. just toast one of them, the leader, the most f****d up jerk. and I garantee you the rest will be your bitchs.

the only thing you will need to be prepared is retribution. thus, you need to strike fear into his heart, and inspire awe. so, say, if he makes fun of you for the first time, you walk over and whisper beside his ear CASUALLY "I will knock out your teeth the next time you do this. I say this, and I say this only once."

but make sure no one else heard it, let them guess, and let them ask him.

the next time, if he still does it. you just laugh with him, and approach him inconsipiciously, then grab the nearest blunt object and smash his head with it, DO NOT YELL. make sure you are doing it AS IF you are doing for pleasure. you may not like it, just pretend you've done this many times before, kick him on the ground, and says "see, I warned you before."

IF, others began to help him, if they join the fight, if they hit you, REMEMBER: thats when you let your rage take control. you CONCENTRATE on the jerk on the floor, and hit him ONLY. no matter how many beats you take from others, the only thing you think about is that you will KILL HIM before everyone else kill you. (I am not telling you to kill him, just thats what you should be thinking)

it is either end up he runs away, or you got ass wooped. remember no matter how many beats you take, KILL HIM is all you do, and all you think about.

I garantee you, after this, he see you, he run.

[ 05-20-2002, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: Mouse ]

of course, don't do it. heh, just read that to release your hormone. lol

Uhh, the Thing, I don't think he's out to maim them, just wish that they didn't do that... and if his "friends" are going to be like that, he shouldn't get angry, he should get new friends.

sometimes jerks need a lesson, but only make sure you inspire maximum fear.

But i can't kick the crap out of this guy.He is still my friend.He only does this to make sure he keeps his other friends.You see at my school there is a chart like thingy mabobber. Ya see this is it. pretty girls are popular to evryone but about half of the boys.pretty boys are friends with everyone.ugly girls are friends with other ugly girls and a few of the ugly boys.semi ugly and semi pretty girls hang out with there own groups.semi ugly and semi pretty boys hang out with the semi pretty semi ugly girls.I'm a semi popular person.Friendz with a few of the pretty girls and boys.Friends with the jocks.Friend to all of the semi's.That's about it.My friend Glenn is the person who basicly leads all my friend and the jocks.I would'nt want to hurt him.Me and him have been friends sinse kindergarten.He is still my friend

Thing, I have edited your post to remove the profanity. I was close to deleting it. I can scarcely comprehend how taking a blunt object and smashing anyone in the head is going to get anyone anywhere except into police custody. I am only leaving your post here in the hope that others will be stimulated into giving more constructive advice.

I appreciate that your views may be sincerely held and for all I know, this tactic may have worked for you, but I am firmly of the opinion that such an assault is NOT the way to deal with SomeGuy's' situation.

come to your senses, OK?

isn't there a time when you feel like to rip a guy's head out? I am just verbalizing the his anger, no more no less.

lets say, have your of your loved ones being hurt? what would you do to let out your pain and anguish? hit a pillow? drink tea? read book? play game? I am just making a plan for him, and admit or not, by reading it, it DOES release one's hormone. don't deny that, and I am not kidding.

No Thing, I have read your post carefully and what you were advocating was an uncontrolled assault with a blunt object. Let this subject drop now - and I am not kidding.

NO

mouse, did you read my post after that?

and you still miss the whole point, no matter how real I describe, it is a plan that suits for a positive purpose of releasing anger. the more real, the better.

[ 05-20-2002, 05:36 PM: Message edited by: TheThing ]

The Thing i'm not going to let this topic turn into an argument.Just do what the Mod says

You better watch yourself 'theThing'. You are very close to getting suspended. DROP it.

never, ever think of suicide dude, life is just too beautiful !

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NO mouse, did you read my post after that? and you still miss the whole point, no matter how real I describe, it is a plan that suits for a positive purpose of releasing anger. the more real, the better.

I have suspended 'TheThing' for 1 week. (Breaking Rule #1)

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Ok, now back to SomeGuys topic:

SomeGuy, I hear what you're saying, and I feel for you. It doesn't seem so long ago that I was in your position, too.

Childhood can be one of the cruelest times of one's life, and no crueler does it get than in the modern public school system with it's cliques and "in" and "out" crowds.

It sounds as if your friend is giving in to peer pressure. That is to say, he is claiming to be your friend, but is selling you down the river. I was in that position long, long time ago, and ironically, my friend's name was "Glenn" as well. [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img] In order to get into the "in" crowd, he spread some nasty rumors about me that pretty well got me ostracized except with people who knew me very well. This was from a person with whom I had been friends with since 1st grade. He and I haven't spoken since that time.

I'm not advocating that you just wholesale give up your "friend." But now is the time to confront him and find out what the problem is, because I don't care what he's saying, no friend would sell another friend out just to get "in." It's time to talk with him and find out what's going on.

And as Ziroc says, you keep drawing, and you keep posting here, and you just keep being YOU...because that's who we like. [img]smile.gif[/img] Trust me...a LOT of us have been in your position before, and may be there again. One does survive...I know it's kind of hard to believe, but it does happen. So don't think suicide. If anything, if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't give those buzzards the pleasure! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Anyway, you take care, Andrew, and just keep hanging in there, ok? But do try to talk it out with your friend. If there's anything worth saving there, he'll be willing to meet you halfway.

Best wishes,
-Sazerac

Bullying at school is a pain. If you give in to the urge to hit them you could end up as follows:

1) my brother made 'friends' twith tougher kids. They would beat the hell out of these guys for him. He is still an a**hole

2) I trained up and beat the hell out of my bullies myself. I came out of school a thuhg believing fists solved everything. It wasn't until I learnt control and discipline (from proper training) I realised my mistake

don't give in to those

thats somthing i can't agree on more, life is beautiful [img]smile.gif[/img] (but then again most of my mates think i'm a hippy)

[ 05-20-2002, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: Daniel ]

SomeGuy, I want you to know that I relate really strongly to what you are saying. The part later about you being semi-popular I cannot relate to, however. Just know that there are others who have been there, where you are now - and wonder how the heck they lived through school knowing that their "friends" haven't a clue to what they are really about.

My only friends in school were my music and my books. (Mind you, this was years ago before the internet was even thought of.) I wondered many times how I would get through the next day, knowing that I was either going to be embarrassed horribly or picked on. The only advice to get through it is to "Consider the Source" of these people. If they are not important to you, or people YOU respect, discount what they say as unimportant.

Even if you consider these guys your friends, know that unless you have a real bond, after school is over, they disappear out of your life. People do that.

I hope you continue to know that IronWorks will be here for you. These folks are the best.

(Just to finish, I ended up popular in College and after - I was quite the philosopher and pioneer. This helped me later on. I am lucky now I have true friends, those that are there for you no matter what. I wish the same for everyone.)

[ 05-20-2002, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: Charean ]

thats somthing i can't agree on more, life is beautiful [img]smile.gif[/img] (but then again most of my mates think i'm a hippy)</font>[/QUOTE]so what's wrong with that ? The hippie way of life doesn't sound that bad, those guys never seem to have any problems, and if they do they turn to mr. Ganja for advice, and the probs are gone again.

SomeGuy. Everything I've read from you in other threads has always made me think of you as a GreatGuy. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
Last year I went on a rant about the "High School" mentality that I felt on some of the boards I spent time on. It's the same thing you are describing. The thing is, as was pointed out to me by our beloved Sazerac, WE decide who we spend time with. "You can't choose your family, but you can choose your friends." [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]
Read what everyone here is saying. WE love you, and that tells me that there are some people there who love you as well.
The hard thing is: you may need to walk away from your "friends". Talk to Glenn, but DON'T let them bring you down. Find some people who you can respect, and earn their respect. You'll love yourself for it. :D

Hey, RudeDawg! You think you can find that old thread? It may be worth a rehash. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Cheers,
-Saz

[ 05-20-2002, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: Sazerac ]

Here's the link!
The "High School" Syndrome

Someguy sounds like you need better friends. Any teasing you get here is playful, hope you take it that way. Feel free to tease me back [img]smile.gif[/img]

SomeGuy, I can relate.

I went through it at school, similar to what you describe. The reason was I looked and acted like a victim. I had no self-confidence whatsoever, was quiet and shy (ppl I know now would find that very hard to believe), and walked round mostly looking at the floor and looking miserable. I seriously over-reacted when I got teased, which made it all the more fun for those teasing me.

Believe in yourself. This is so important. If you generate an air of confidence, others will believe in you too. I didn't for so much of my childhood and teens. I really felt I would fail at everything I tried. Bullies can sense that feeling of defeat. One day (a while after I had left school) I decided enough is enough, and started to find things to do that made me feel good about myself. There was no major event in my life that brought me to this conclusion, it was just something I consciously tried to do for myself. I now have the utter confidence in my ability to handle anything that comes my way. I can be myself, totally, and if other people don't like that, then screw them. Even when I feel scared I never show it or give in to it.

Your friend is not a friend if he does that to you. Ignore him. Forget the popularity he brings you when you are part of his crowd. You have to believe in *yourself* and your own ability to make friends and be popular in your own right. Force yourself to be outgoing, find those bits of your personality or things about yourself you like, and concentrate on those. Be yourself - it's the only way to be truly happy IMO. Might not be easy at first, but it soon becomes second nature. If other people don't like who you really are, that is *their* problem, don't make it yours! They don't matter if they are that shallow. And keep smiling [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hey Andrew! Sounds like your friend is trying to 'fit in' but in the wrong way. :( I think Ziroc is right, keep drawing. You should do what makes you feel right, not what anyone else tells you to do or tells you is cool. If you enjoy it, then do it for yourself! :D

And here at IW, people may tease, like LoA said, but when all is said and done, most of us care and that's the important thing to rememember. [img]smile.gif[/img]

ah, hi, SomeGuy!
belive it or not, im having a VERY similar thing. i also have "friends" and my true friend. this a**hole known as Glenn is NOT to be trusted. i have my own Glenn here, his name is Jon. Jon is a very popular and socially greedy person(by socially greedy i mean that he always talks back at others, mostly me, insults them and so on). he and i have been great friends when were at my place(he has come over to my house for the night about 20-40 times) but when i was in the presence of other ppl, he treats me much, much worse. why? because he is popular and i am not. therefore, i hate him. he mostly came over at my place so he could go to the internet, check his mail, go to the chatroom and play comp. games. Jon and i are history, thank god.

btw, i once had a time when i even was popular. it was because in my class, i have many boys that laugh at many things. they see a person that looks in some way diffirent than others, and they laugh their asses off. i did everykinds of crazy stuff like shout "Whazzup!?" and they just laugh. i really got to be, in some way, their friends. so remember: dont let Glenn(slash Jon) look like he is your friend. if he makes fun of you to be more popular, he is a total jerk!

btw btw, dont you think you were a bit too hard on TheThing, Ziroc?? i think that what he wrote was kinda logical. you get a way of choosing between being really nice or a real bitch when you meet the "friend" and if you keep thinking KILL "friend"(whoever he is) it makes you think about the bad stuff hes done.

uss- Please do not question Ziroc's decision. It has been made and doing so puts you in the same position TheThing was in and breaks TOS. Don't question the Mod/Webmaster's decisions on the board. Email such questions.

Hey, SomeGuy, school's always been pretty tough on my friend-wise and when it comes to being bullied. All I can say is to hang in there, I'm in what's the equivalent of the second year of HS, I think, and things have started looking up because I didn't give in. At last I'm not being bullied anymore, people've stopped making as much fun of me as they used to, I'm getting a bit of respect.

And I'm getting it just because I didn't give in, at least that's what I think. So what I want to say is that you shouldn't change just because it gets you bullied, or made fun of, stay yourself and you'll probably get through things alright.

oh, sorry. recently, i just couldnt come to IW because of somekind of proxy thingy for 6 days and that really pissed me off. getting suspended for a week just seems a bit too harsh for this matter. just imagine- not being able to come inside IW for a week. wow.
ok, i wont question Ziroc anymore

Uss, you can question Ziroc or the mods, but A) do it politely, and B) in private PM or by e-mail, not on the forum. That's all. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Cheers,
-Sazerac

right [img]smile.gif[/img] .
but why am i not allowed to do it on the forum? im not questioning this rule, just curious [img]smile.gif[/img] .

I think because it seems to undermine the mod's authority, and even if it's just innocent curiosity, it can be taken the wrong way, and besides, a little privacy doesn't hurt. ;)

this "system" of yours at your school needs to go, fit in with the hip crowd, if they do not accept you, warn them, if they disobey your warning, kill them...

Uss, I'm afraid you will just have to accept that it is a rule. One of the reasons for it is that it stops threads like this getting clogged up by people questioning decisions and the Mods replying. Now lets get back to the topic [img]smile.gif[/img]

I have patched things up with Glenn.But there is another two friends I should be more worried about,Travis K. and Travis A. .Travis K. is always making fun of me and Travis A. told all the girls which ones I like!I am patching things up with Travis K.,but Travis A. is just a big jerk.He is always telling my secrets!Sometimes he makes fun of me.

The way me and Glenn patched things up is I talked to him yesterday and he said he was very sorry.He even stood up for me and almost threw some punches one time before.he is a really good friend.Maybe i should lighten up once in awhile.Travis K. only makes fun of me in a playful way and I always make a good come back anyway.I also need to brin up my self-esteem... BIG TIME

Well I can relate and tell you one thing, suicide is not the answer. I had "friends" like that and one day I just had enough and told him to ---- off and I have not talked to him since then. almost 10 years. If they don't respect you for who you are then they are not worth the trouble. Its their loss.

And keep on drawing... and don't let anyone tell you you can't.

Well, it doesn't always look beautifull. Sometimes you feel like death is the only way out. Personally, I'm glad I didn't jump a while back. Trust me Someguy, you'll get a second chance.
Just believe in yourself, look at what you are good at, rather then what you cannot do. If your 'friends' tell your secrets to everyone. Stop talking to them. Just find the people that have similair interests. It worked for me, perhaps it'll work for you.
Good luck:)