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SomeGuy 05-17-2002 04:18 PM

Why won't they leave me alone!WHY?! WHY? Just leave me alone! Stupid ghosts leave me alone! Please people,I'm scared,I'm frightend,I'm afraid.The ghosts won't leave me alone.I'm finding things out of place.My stuff won't work when it was working a few days ago.I'm seeing wierd things.I'm finding strange writings on my best drawings.I'm scared. WILL THEY EVER LEAVE ME ALONE???!!!! [img]graemlins/crying.gif[/img] It's happening again.The hauntings....I'm just want them to leave me alone.I can't sleep at night.I can't stay home alone without evry light in the house on for there may be a ghost or someone hiding in the shadow just waiting to kill me.Please people....I need help.

[ 05-17-2002, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: SomeGuy ]

Larry_OHF 05-17-2002 04:33 PM

<font color=skyblue>If you are religious, then you will know that the story of Jesus casting devils and whatnot out of people and places is someting to think about.

When I served a mission in Mexico, I ran into ALOT of this, and me and the guy that was my travelling companion were frequently called on to cast out the bad spirits. I have done this here in NC as well for my boss at work.
The proper phrasing is to do it in the name of Jesus Christ. Tell them to leave in His name, and it will work. There is nothing to fear, because those evil spirits cannot really harm you. They do not have tangible bodies, and can only do you ill will if you are weak of mind. You are not a weak minded individual, and are stronger than they are, but they do not want you to believe that.
So...prove it to them.. They hate it when they are ignored or laughed at.</font>

Avatar 05-17-2002 04:38 PM

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1/ Imagine you are a Demon even the ghosts are scared of! You are powerful and you have a sword + the largest number u are comfortable with. Start laughing manically and one day you'll believe it! :D

2/ Tire yourself out.. when you are exhausted you can't give a **** about ghosts or what not...

See a councilor or have friends around. Do u have nightmares?? :(

Stay cool and chill! There is a reason to everything, probably a mixture of pranks, coincidences, memory lapses, imagination...etc. Just unlucky man.

Best of Luck and watch how Buffy kick ass [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Talthyr Malkaviel 05-17-2002 04:47 PM

Drink yourself into a stupor, BTW, this isn't necessarily joking advice, Larry said that they hate being ignored, and if youstart laughing at walls I don't think any spirits woul be amused.
But if that doesn't help, I don't know, obviously if you are a Christian, you could try Larry's advice, I don't really know how anyone would sort that sort of thing out.
I can't help much though because I don't believe in them.

SomeGuy 05-17-2002 04:50 PM

<---------------------------------is a Christain

Lord Shield 05-17-2002 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by SomeGuy:
<---------------------------------is a Christain
heh! well taht rules out my solution then ;) . Was gonna suggest binding them. Describe them for me please. I may yet be able to do something from here

SomeGuy 05-17-2002 04:58 PM

I have'nt even seen the ghosts less then being able to describe them.All I know is they are scaring the crap out of me.

Lord Shield 05-17-2002 05:08 PM

so what were the weird things you are seeing? shadows flitting on the edge of your vision? that sort of thing?

SomeGuy 05-17-2002 05:09 PM

basicly

Cloudbringer 05-17-2002 05:20 PM

SomeGuy, see your parents and/or a priest if this bothers and frightens you that much. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Lord Shield 05-17-2002 05:27 PM

no needd. these are easy ;) . Shadows at edge of vision, sometimes movements where none should be. Train your mind, become more than them. And absorb them ;) . They are NOTHING. They cannot harm you. But you can benefit from them, trust me ;)

Sir Kenyth 05-17-2002 05:32 PM

Might be real, might be the mind playing tricks. Either way, here's the quick way to cure yourself of the heebie-jeebies. Every time you hear something that scares you, walk directly to the problem area. Walk right into the place you see as "the ghost". Concentrate on being calm and being firmly aware that you are in no danger. Stay there until your fear passes. Eventually you will force yourself to learn that there is no true danger and you will find peace. Fear breeds fear. Stand up to those fears and you will be better for it.

Grand-Ranger 05-18-2002 12:33 AM

Ghosts huh? I personally dont see whats so scarry about them, mind you, I have never ran into one (I do believe in them though).

They cant harm you. Really. Think about it.

But my advice is (if your a christain), Pray. Pray every night, hard, meaningful. Keep a Bible in your room.

Keep God in your life basicly is what I am saying. If that doesnt work, trying consulting a preist. If that doesnt work, your insane,whehe [img]smile.gif[/img]

Grand-Ranger 05-18-2002 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by Larry_OHF:
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When I served a mission in Mexico, I ran into ALOT of this, and me and the guy that was my travelling companion were frequently called on to cast out the bad spirits. I have done this here in NC as well for my boss at work.
The proper phrasing is to do it in the name of Jesus Christ. Tell them to leave in His name, and it will work. There is nothing to fear, because those evil spirits cannot really harm you. They do not have tangible bodies, and can only do you ill will if you are weak of mind. You are not a weak minded individual, and are stronger than they are, but they do not want you to believe that.
So...prove it to them.. They hate it when they are ignored or laughed at.</font>

Are you serious?? If you are, thats really cool [img]smile.gif[/img]

caleb 05-18-2002 12:53 AM

You could also sleep on the couch watching comedy central [img]smile.gif[/img]

Sazerac 05-18-2002 02:02 AM

SomeGuy, in all seriousness, if it's really disturbing you that much, it may be working you up into a panic that's exacerbating the situation, whatever may be causing it.

What I've recommended to people who have been experienced these kinds of terrors or phantasms is this: Sit calmly, and with your hands on your knees, palms upward. Then recite (to yourself, if not out loud):

<font color="#ffffff">The Light of God surrounds me,
The Love of God enfolds me,
The Power of God protects me,
Wherever I am, God is!
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you."</font>


Then take a deep breath and let it go. INCLUDING the fear.

Repeat if necessary. I've rarely seen anyone need to do more than two applications to dispel the panic associated with such phenomena.

Blessings,
-Sazerac

AzureWolf 05-18-2002 02:15 AM

The tin foil hat didnt work? :(

Avatar 05-18-2002 03:19 AM

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Where do you come from SomeGuy? :D :D :D :D :D
I mean the depth of an elevator shaft might explain a few things..
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K T Ong 05-18-2002 06:06 AM

I'll assume this isn't a joke, SomeGuy.

Having never had the kinds of experiences you had, I do not really feel competent to offer any suggestions on what you can do. But I think you could perhaps try this. Try doing and thinking good things. The random act of kindness. Or thinking of how you can help others or bring happiness to others. Positive thoughts and fear can't and don't go together.

Perhaps you can go a step further and think of those spirits as the object of your compassion, not your fear. If ghosts really exist, they can't be happy because the very fact that they haven't 'passed on' already implies that they're clinging onto something and unwilling to let go, that they feel they've got 'unfinished business'.

Tell me if it works. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 05-18-2002, 06:10 AM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

Epona 05-18-2002 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by AzureWolf:
The tin foil hat didnt work? :(
Azzie, Azzie... how many times do we have to go through this? TIN will get him no-where - please re-read the advice given in his previous thread. I suggest he try silver, much better results.

/)eathKiller 05-18-2002 10:23 AM

Shadows at the edge of vision, things moving and not working around him, hmm... sound like the Phillipenian Vampire haunting to me... It shouldn't do YOU any harm, but the world around you will be quite frightening for you, you cannot see it because it exists behind you at all times, i suggest looking at yourself closley in the mirror, if you notice anything please do tell me, if not then I won't continue with my suggestion as to how to get it out, I don't think you'd want to really hear it...

caleb 05-18-2002 10:32 AM

No you got us interested now so you gotta tell us [img]tongue.gif[/img]

lroyo 05-18-2002 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by AzureWolf:
The tin foil hat didnt work? :(
LOL I was thinking the same thing! :D

/)eathKiller 05-18-2002 11:22 AM

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A real account:
I became aware of the shadows shortly after moving into my house in New Jersey. My daughters' playroom was in the basement and they were constantly complaining that they were always seeing something move out of the corners of their eyes. My youngest also said they hovered near the ceiling. In later years, I had my floral workshop in the basement and saw them constantly. It got to the point where I would talk to them with my mind, not that they ever answered back.

They were black. We saw them all over the basement, but mostly along one wall, and occasionally saw them along the same wall on the first floor and in the kitchen near the back door. We did not see them anywhere else in the house or elsewhere on the property. But even when we did not get a glimpse of them, we were aware when they were present. Some of them seemed to have an evil presence. A few years after we moved in, I told them they were not welcome in the house and the evil presence seemed to go away. Still, we had an uneasy feeling about them. Not fear. We just accepted they were there, as several steps taken over the years to make them go away didn't work anyway. Only once after the evil ones were told they were not welcome was I aware they came back. And I am not sure if they were evil or just upset. I will explain later.

Only once did it see one clearly. But it happened in a split second and I did not see it from top to bottom. I was walking through the breakfast room into the kitchen. The kitchen light was on in the corner. It was by the back door in front of the stove. I was startled. I thought someone had come into the house. It all happened very fast. But the light from behind it did not pass through as it would a shadow. It was short and stocky and appeared as a silhouette of a person. It had a head (there were no discernable features, including no eyes) shoulders, arms and a torso. It disappeared too fast to take note if it had legs or feet. I sensed it was as surprised as I was and did not intend to be seen.

Then our house caught fire. It was a major fire that started from a shorted TV along the wall of shadows in the den. We were out of the house six months while it was repaired. About a week after the fire, I stopped by right before dark to pick up a few things. As I came onto the back porch and looked through the six-foot hole where the picture window once was, I looked across the breakfast room at the basement doorway. I sensed three shadows near the doorway. It was almost dark outside, so I did not actually see them. I also got a very bad feeling about them and told them by thought that the evil ones were still not welcome in the house whether I was there or not. Then I turned and left without entering the house. I was quite rattled. Whether I had this feeling because I was also emotionally upset about the fire... I cannot say.

The next day, I went back and it seemed the house was full of shadows, although I only caught a glimpse of them, as usual, fleeing in the basement. And I am not sure I really saw them as there were no lights on down there and the only light was from the window-well windows. It was the only time I ever sensed that they tried to communicate. It seemed they were upset that we were not there because the house was all black, there was no light for them in the kitchen, and there were strangers in the house (the workers) every day. A few weeks later, burglars tried to steal the new appliances for the house. Everything was left in the kitchen by the back door. My daughters and I joked that they met up with the shadows and were scared off. Who knows?
Was it something like this?

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Another account
One afternoon I was copying programs using my old Commodore 64 computer in a room designated as the "computer room." The copy program had just instructed me to swap disks, and I remember taking the "original" disk out of the drive and laying it on the desk next to the keyboard. At that time, my mother called me out of the room and I went to see what she needed. Upon my return a few minutes later, I noticed that it was time for another disk swap. The disk was not where I had left it. I looked everywhere. I took all of the disks out of the disk file, looked under the desk - everywhere - and couldn't find it. I left the room, and came back, determined to retrace my steps. When I came back, the same result - nothing. I left again, saying to myself that "enough was enough." When I came back, my first impulse was to check the disk file again. I flipped down the first disk in the file - and there it was - backwards. At that instant, I felt an incredible feeling of dread and could swear that I heard a faint, but amused laugh.
or is it more like this?

I need to know if what you're experiencing is dissapearing objects and displacement or actual shadows within your vision...

Quote:

here's an interesing account:
In 1994, James Kidd, a commercial photographer, had placed one of his photos on display at a gallery in Tombstone, Arizona where I was showing some of my oil paintings. The photo was the old stagecoach stop at Tombstone. He first took a photo of the stagecoach stop and an old stagecoach, and then he didn't wind his camera so he could get a double exposure photo with another old wagon in the foreground.

When the picture was developed, however, it revealed something unexpected. Standing on a log to the left of the wagon is a figure that the photographer did not see when he took the picture. Upon close inspection, the figure appears to be a headless man! The figure's coat, pants and boots are quite plain and easy to see. But he has no head. The photographer says the photo has been examined by Kodak and other experts to prove that he did not doctor it in any way.
The actual photograph is here
When I was about half way through completing the painting, I started getting a strange feeling. I began to ask myself: Why on earth did I want to paint this picture? And maybe I should never have started it. But I did finish it. And then some very strange, unexplained things began to happen around my home - seemingly centered around that painting.

I do not believe in ghosts, but I cannot for the life of me explain how or why these strange things have happened. I cannot attribute every one of these events directly to the painting, but they have all taken place since it has been in my house - and are totally unexplained.
I took the framed painting with some others for a display in a business location. We hung the ghost painting on the wall behind an office desk. Three days later, people from the office called and asked me to come pick up the ghost painting. Every morning, they claimed, the painting was crooked. They would straighten it, and the next morning it would be crooked again. Also, appointments were inexplicably messed up and papers went missing. They were actually afraid of it. I took the painting back.

In 1995, my husband and I moved into a brand new home in Tennessee. We wondered if these ghostly goings-on would stop. But they didn't. Oddly, the roof on the garage of this new home had a leak when it rained. The roofers came out three times to repair it, and although they worked on it they said they could not find the cause of the leak. It didn't make any sense. Nothing they did stopped the darn leak. Finally, my husband asked me where the ghost painting was. It was leaning against the wall between the living room and garage. We moved the painting... and the garage roof never leaked again.
One evening I was preparing dinner. We had an island bar and that is where I set the table. I picked up the salt and pepper shakers, which were two little canning jars with handles, and set them on the bar. I went to the door and called to my husband that dinner was ready. When I got back to the bar, salt was spilled all over it and on the floor. The salt shaker, standing upright, was still where I had set it down. We have no animals or children in the house to blame for the spill. It is completely unexplained. My husband and I were sitting in the garage talking to the little neighbor girl who had come over to visit. On the garage wall were three large dried starfish. They were hanging securely on roofing nails. The garage door was open, but there was no wind blowing or air movement. Suddenly, the largest starfish came sailing off the wall and landed on the concrete floor. It sailed across the floor about six to seven feet.A heavy gate that would have been hard to remove, came off its post for no apparent reason. All the hardware was completely intact. This event really scared me because it could have injured me. We had been doing some yard work and went into the garage to rest where it was cool. My husband said he would mix us some drinks. He returned with the drinks in thick gold-colored glasses with ice cubes. We finished our drinks, and he said he was going to have another and I said I would too. So he mixed them in the house and brought them out. I had taken one or two sips from my drink when I looked down to see that a large chunk of glass had been broken off the top of the glass. It was perfectly fine the first time I drank from it. Right away I thought my husband had knocked it on something, but he swore he hadn't. We looked all over the garage floor for the piece of glass, but found nothing. We went into the house where my husband fixed the drinks and got down on the floor with flashlights and looked. Nothing. I poured the rest of the drink through a strainer to see if the chunk of glass had fallen in, but there was nothing. The missing piece was too large to swallow without me noticing it, but I still had this sick feeling in my stomach. We never found the missing piece of glass.I have always taken photos of the paintings I have done. People ask to see the photos of my paintings and most always say they don't want to touch the photo of the ghost painting. The gals at the beauty shop wanted me to bring my pictures in, and one woman started bragging that she did not believe in ghosts and that it was silly of them to avoid touching the picture. "Just let me see it," she said. She took the photo, looked at it closely and just laughed. That night at her house, a clock that had been on the wall for 40 years, fell down and broke into a hundred pieces.
Our neighbor wanted to show his mother-in-law the photos of my paintings and took them home with him. They left the pictures laying on the table and started playing a three-handed card game in which a dummy hand must be dealt. When they picked up the dummy hand, every card of the dummy hand was in one suit. That scared them to death, he told me. He got up and went outside to move his water sprinkler, and to this day he still swears that he could see a white hazy figure of a person come around the corner. He came running back to my house with the pictures and said he never wanted to touch them again.The last thing this ghost did was knock on our front door. My husband and I both heard it at the same time. But our two German Shepherds did not hear the knock. Nobody was at the door.

Currently, the painting is hanging in our house. A few people have asked to buy the painting, but I am afraid to sell it. What would an unhappy ghost do in their lives?

I still don't actually believe in ghosts...■ Yet if I had it to do over, I would not have created this painting...
While on the subject of haunted paintings here's a doosy for ya:
This is from an ADD on EBAY
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HAUNTED PAINTING ----- WARNING AND DISCLAIMER
DESCRIPTION
WHEN WE RECEIVED THIS PAINTING, WE THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY GOOD ART. A " PICKER " HAD FOUND IT ABANDONNED BEHIND AN OLD BREWERY. AT HTE TIME WE WONDERED A LITLLE WHY A SEEMINGLY PERFECTLY FINE PAINTING WOULD BE DISCARDED LIKE THAT. ( TODAY WE DON'T !!! ) ONE MORNING OUR 4 AND 1/2 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER CLAIMED, THAT THE CHILDREN IN THE PICTURE WERE FIGHTING, AND COMING INTO THE ROOM DURING THE NIGHT. NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE IN UFOS OR ELVIS BEING ALIVE, BUT MY HUSBAND WAS ALARMED. TO MY AMUSEMENT HE SET UP A MOTION TRIGGERED CAMREA FOR THE NIGHTS. AFTER THREE NIGHTS THERE WERE PICTURES.THE LAST TWO PICTURES SHOWN ARE FROM THAT 'STAKEOUT'. AFTER SEEING THE BOY SEEMINGLY EXITING THE PAINTING UNDER THREAT, WE DECIDED, THE PAINTING HAS TO GO.PLEASE JUDGE FOR YOURSELF. --- BEFORE YOU DO, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWIND WARNING AND DISCLAIMER. ----WARNING: DO NOT BID ON THIS PAINTING IF YOU ARE SUCCEPTIBLE TO STRESS RELATED DISEASE, FAINT OF HEART OR ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH SUPERNATURAL EVENTS. BY BIDDING ON THIS PAINTING, YOU AGREE TO RELEASE THE OWNERS OF ALL LIABILITY IN RELATION TO THE SALE OR ANY EVENTS HAPPENING AFTER THE SALE, THAT MIGHT BE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS PAINTING. THIS PAINTING MAY OR MAY NOT POSESS SUPERNATURAL POWERS, THAT COULD IMPACT OR CHANGE YOUR LIFE. HOWEVER, BY BIDDING YOU AGREE TO EXCLUSIVELY BID ON THE VALUE OF THE ARTWORK, WITH DISREGARD TO THE LAST TWO PHOTOS FEATURED IN THIS AUCTION, AND HOLD THE OWNERS HARMLESS IN REGARD TO THEM AND THEIR IMPACT, EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED.------------ NOW THAT WE GOT THIS OUT OF THE WAY, ONE QUESTION TO YOU EBAYERS. WE WANT OUR HOUSE TO BE BLESSED AFTER THE PAINTING IS GONE, DOES ANYBODY KNOW, WHO IS QUALIFIED TO DO THAT?
Image of the painting Another image and another And here's an object grabbed from the room now in the painted childs hands
THE SIZE OF THE PAINTING IS 24 BY 36 INCHES, SO IT IS RATHER LARGE. AS I HAVE HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS, HERE THE FOLLOWING ANSWERS. THERE WAS NO ODOR LEFT BEHIND IN THE ROOM. THERE WERE NO VOICES, OR THE SMELL OF GUNPOWDER, NO FOODPRINTS OR STRANGE FLUIDS ON THE WALL. TO DETER QUESTIONS IN THIS DIRECTION, THERE ARE NO GHOSTS IN THIS WORLD , NO SUPERNATURAL POWERS, THIS IS JUST A PAINTING, AND MOST THESE THINGS HAVE AN EXPLANATION, IN THIS CASE PROBABLY A FLUKE LIGHT EFFECT. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BID ON THE ARTWORK, AND CONSIDER THE LAST TWO PHOTOGRAPHS AS PURE ENTERTAINMENT, AND PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION, WHEN BIDDING. AS WE THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO BLESS ANY HOUSE, WE STILL WELCOME INPUT INTO THAT PROCEDURE.

This auction is nearing the end. I want to thank the more than 13000 people that took the time to look at this image on ebay. I appreciate the more than 30 suggestions, that I received regarding blessing the house, exorcising and cleansing. 7 emails reported strange or irregular events taking place, when viewing this image. And I will relay two suggestions made by the senders. First not to use this image as the background on the screen, and second not to display this image around juveniles or children. Last not least, thanks for apreciating the art as well.
WOOHOO!
That ones given me the will OAAHO THAT ONE JUST MOVED ON MY SCREEN! :D COOLNESS! hes flippin' the bird at me! Way to go kid...'

like i said, so what kind of haunting do you think you've got?

SomeGuy 05-19-2002 10:20 PM

thank you all for your advice.I just got back from a camping trip and well...um...something really bad happened.When me and my parents go somewhere we always close the doors.I mean EVERY door.When we got back each door was open and one ws off the hinges!!!Sazerac I will try your advice,it seems the most...sane advice.Everything else is still worth trying and all that stupid sliver foil hat advice is.............. JACKED UP!!!!!!! It's stupid!What kind of idiot would rap their head in foil and go to sleep??!!PLEEEEEEEEEAAZZZE!Okay just noticed something very strange.It's getting foggy in my computer room.And i'm buning up and I'm wearing a tank top shorts!Well it may be sunburn.i just came back from a camping trip.Please no more about silver foil.

Sincerly,
SomeGuy

Donut 05-20-2002 06:43 AM

Here is an incantation which might work. Remember you can't read it, you MUST memorise it or it will not work:

Say the following: "Clear all cause, effect, record and memory. Clear, vent, and remove on all levels of my existence all: thought forms, energies, hooks, hates, addictions, fears, diseases, anxieties, curses, spells, incantations, hexes, summoning, symbols, and evokings, that they might have left. Clear all: calling cards, black magic, black magic lines, entity attachment points, entity energies, entity reproduction programs, eggs, cocoons, sperm, placentas, entity slag, entity trails, entity diseases, mini entities, entity halters, and all voo doo. Clear all: European black magic, India black magic, Kahuna, Aztec, Inca, Myan, Egyptian, Druid, Atlantean, Lemurian, Alien, and Wiccan black magic. Clear: black mirror energies, rebound curses, incantations, and spells; inter-planetary beings contamination and their implants, black magic, satanic curses and black magic, doorways, psychic contamination lines, opposition and contamination from all sources, black magic control lines, and control seeds. Leave only love energy, love thought forms, and love lines"

Good luck!

/)eathKiller 05-20-2002 07:08 AM

Stand alone in a dark room and concentrate all of your energy on a single point, lift one leg up and bring it down hard, concentrate on the energies from your foot where it strikes the ground, do you feel a sensation run up your leg? If so then do so with the other leg... stand firm and flex every muscle, even if your muscles are nothing but flab, just do it anyway, then bring your hands outward and up then bring them to your sides again close your eyes and keep in focus, by this time you can exhale... open your eyes and concentrate to such an extent that your glare has a feirce strenghte, turn toward a disturbance in your house and shout "GET THEE BEHIND ME!!!!"

as FREAKING loud as you possibly POSSIBLY can... you may suprise yourself with your own screaming but just do it anytime somehting odd happens around you again... doing this in public could get you odd looks... but umm well whatever good luck...

Lord Shield 05-20-2002 07:13 AM

The advice given is very similar. My shamanic solution, teh psychological solution, Saz's prayer, are all geared to getting your mind set to deal with and expel the fear

I assume that, when you came home to the doors being like that, you asked the police to check for evidence of intruders?

Davros 05-20-2002 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by Epona:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AzureWolf:
The tin foil hat didnt work? :(

Azzie, Azzie... how many times do we have to go through this? TIN will get him no-where - please re-read the advice given in his previous thread. I suggest he try silver, much better results.</font>[/QUOTE]Well done Epona - at least Some Gals listen to me :D - I think Saz is going to Lousiana soon, we could get him to pick one up for you from "Argent Articles"

Epona 05-20-2002 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by Davros:
Well done Epona - at least Some Gals listen to me :D - I think Saz is going to Lousiana soon, we could get him to pick one up for you from "Argent Articles"
Well I did do Chemistry A-level at college ya know, you have to learn the properties of different elements. I think it would be a good idea if Saz could get me one, he could fedex it to me. I need it urgently because I see dead people.

johnny 05-20-2002 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Epona:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Davros:
Well done Epona - at least Some Gals listen to me :D - I think Saz is going to Lousiana soon, we could get him to pick one up for you from "Argent Articles"

Well I did do Chemistry A-level at college ya know, you have to learn the properties of different elements. I think it would be a good idea if Saz could get me one, he could fedex it to me. I need it urgently because I see dead people.</font>[/QUOTE]if you see elvis tell him johnny said hi.

Epona 05-20-2002 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by johnny:
if you see elvis tell him johnny said hi.
No Elvis yet, but I did spot Lord Lucan on the 77a bus the other day.

Cloudbringer 05-20-2002 11:17 AM

Darn! My chemistry is limited to 7th grade. Hmmm..so um...Davros....*bat bat of lashes over sparkling hazel eyes* Could you pleeeeeeeeeeeeease explain how to make tin foil into silver foil by means of alchemy? *bat bat* teehee, I'd be ever so grateful.... ;)

Lanesra 05-20-2002 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Epona:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by johnny:
if you see elvis tell him johnny said hi.

No Elvis yet, but I did spot Lord Lucan on the 77a bus the other day.</font>[/QUOTE]I think he's using the 77a because of the train crash.

Davros 05-20-2002 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Cloudbringer:
Darn! My chemistry is limited to 7th grade. Hmmm..so um...Davros....*bat bat of lashes over sparkling hazel eyes* Could you pleeeeeeeeeeeeease explain how to make tin foil into silver foil by means of alchemy? *bat bat* teehee, I'd be ever so grateful.... ;)
No more mint juleps or egg nog for you missy. There is no formula for turning tin into silver - nothing to see here people - move along, move along.

OK Cloudlet, just you and me now. You can't have too many people knowing this stuff right (glances about quickly - you can't be too careful). Now turning tin into silver is not as hard as you think. Everyone by now with even the most basic of alchemical nous can transform lead into gold. If you can't manage that one, then I shouldn't be talking to you. Now Lead (Pb) is a category 4a element, valence +2, and Tin (Sn) sits directly above it on the periodic table (so same category valence etc, just lower atomic number and molecular weight). Gold (Au) lies 3 places to the right of lead on the table (category 1b) with an atomic number that is (obviously) 3 less than lead. ABOVE gold on the atomic table is Ag, or silver - so you see the simplicity of it all, don't you.

So it is the same basic transformation - each element has the same basic valence, categorization, and the difference in atomic number between transorming elements - you just need to adjust for initial atomic number. So when you add your 12 and a half ounces of saltpetre to your everyday "lead to gold" spell, all you need to do is cut the amount by the proportion 49/81 (i'll let you do the math). You must of course use the atomic numbers of the elements you are making the transformation from.

Now if you had asked instead to transform the thice becursed Aluminium (note the correct spelling) that some people are pushing, I would have declared you positively crazy and called for the guys in the white coats.

Lord of Alcohol 05-20-2002 06:50 PM

Ok Someguy heres an idea you might try to void your household of ghosts. First of forget silver and ALUMINUM ( [img]smile.gif[/img] ) and go with plutonium instead. 10 pounds maybe. This is available on e-Bay. Using basic metallurgy and metalsmithing skills(I'm sure you can find it on the internet search-try google) form it into a perfectly round ball. Now form some Semtex (also available on e-Bay-50 pounds) into 100 sectionalised form-fitting pieces around the plutonium ball. However they should NOT touch each other. Now wire each piece of Semtex into a "firing circuit" which will apply power to each piece seperately, milliseconds apart. Note do not plug it in yet. The exact sequence can also be found at www.FAS.com Ok when you get all that done hook it up to a surge protector in the off position. When you sense a ghost/spirit/apparition merely turn the surge protector on. This will utterly remove all the spirits from your house.

Mouse 05-20-2002 06:54 PM

LofA, I rather think we are into sledgehammer/nut territory now :D

Lord of Alcohol 05-20-2002 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Mouse:
LofA, I rather think we are into sledgehammer/nut territory now :D
Just trying to help, I mean whats a little collatoral damage?


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