Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the clones is now in theaters. I just wish I could see it. I'm stuck on a stupid island that gets movies a month after they are released. 3 weeks if were lucky.

*does his best Yoda-imitation*
Patience must you learn. To the dark side you will fall else.

Well ive gotta boast and say IVE SEEN IT ALLREADY and its great. I saw it at the advanced preview at Lescester Square. :D

*shakes head*
Pity... it's the dark side for Goku... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I saw it this morning at Leicester Square, with a certain special guest popping up - Anthony Daniels. He just did a couple of C3PO lines and made a few jokes about the people in the expensive seating, but it was still very funny as everyone was on such a high. As for the movie - it completely blew me away, and I hated the Phantom Menace before anyone asks... ;)

Might I just take this opportunity to say... YODA ROCKS!!!!

Powerful is he...

I wont put any spoilers here

If you are refering to the part I think you are then I agree. I was amazed at how well they pulled off that Yoda Part at the end, I was expecting it too look really cheezy

good movie, star war is. watch starwar epsoide 1 for the first time, I liked it. the second time I watch, I didn't like. not real, the fighting is. very fake, it is. gosh, weird, this is.

<font color=Orange>wierd, this is? Noonoo Thing, wierd this is not! But anyways, enough of Yoda talk. Does the midget man fight? Or should I say Elmo voice?</font>

Oh yes, Yoda does fight, and what a sight it is to behold!!!! [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img]

I want to watch it again!!! I just wish they didn't do as much of the romantic stuff, it really didn't suit the film! I can understand why they did it, as we have to understand why Anakin is persuaded to join the dark side, but it was pretty corny. [img]graemlins/1puke.gif[/img]

Overall, bloody fantastic! :D

Don't mean to be negative, but I honestly HATE Star Wars. Stupid hodge-podge of hi-tech stuff and pseudo-religious mumbo-jumbo, with no apparent rationale for holding them together. All this talk of some mystical 'force', all in the midst of futuristic high-tech stuff? Gimme a break. And heck, if I had advanced technology at my disposal, why would I be so dumb as to settle for a close-quarter melee weapon like a lightsaber? The whole Star Wars saga strikes me as full of such irrationalities. It just doesn't feel believable and convincing, even granting that it's supposed to be fantasy. (And you're supposed to take it all seriously, too!) Can never understand how dear uncle Lucas could ever have come up with this sort of stuff and how so many people could go bonkers over it.

I actually have precious little against all this Star Wars stuff so long as I don't have to run into it well nigh every moment of my waking life. Unfortunately, this is becoming an impossibility. It honestly gets on my nerves how I can hardly turn a corner in any shop or on any street without being further assaulted by Star Wars ads or music. Even when I just want to order a pizza by phone, I hear the stupid SW theme music on the phone, too. Please, is there no way I can get away from this madness?

[ 05-16-2002, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

It's science FICTION, meant to entertain. Kinda like RPG's! I understand your point about the hype being everywhere you turn, but Lucasfilm is attempting to recreate the success of the original trilogy, much the same as game developers do when creating a sequel. The odd one gets it right (BG2), but most fail to compare with the original even as none of the Star Wars movies even comes close to meeting the magic of the Original Star Wars: A new hope

Well, I've watched 5- to 10-minute chunks of the SW movies in shop windows etc, and they honestly don't strike a chord in me at all. A couple of scenes are admittedly kinda pretty -- and that's about it for me. If they were comedies (which they aren't meant to be, not by a long way) -- okay, then I'd like them.

That much said, I do like the SW satire Spaceballs. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Just a thought on the subject of the "hodge-podge of high tech stuffand pseudo-religious mumbo-jumbo":
Just because advances are made in technology does not mean that the divine ceases to exist. Look at our own world today. Science is advancing in leaps and bounds and yet many people are returning to older religious views. Paganism and new-age religions are making a comeback. They need not be mutually exclusive.

Perhaps not, but do they go together? Do you find scientists appealing to some divine power as an integral part of their research work?

No.

No.
But in Star Wars (as of Phantom Menace, anyway) the Force is a scientifically quantifiable phenomenon. It is proven to exist and is therefore not quite the same as real life religions which must rely on faith.

Mitochondria, right? (I believe I've got the spelling right. ;) )

Dunno, but it remains true for me that there isn't much in the way of an intellectually mature rationale for all the stuff one finds in SW. Just formidable-looking words like 'mitochondria' won't work for me. Perhaps if you had, say, some kind of well-worked-out occult system, perhaps based on Hermeticism or the Kaballah (rather than some Oriental tradition you don't know much about, as witness what dear uncle Lucas did), which really enables you to manipulate the forces of nature while also obviously having a religious bearing to it, that would help for me. But SW just doesn't give me that kind of feel, that kind of impression. Those spaceships and robots and power reactors etc etc simply don't look like they're the product of some occult or at least semi-occult paradigm. They look like the product of cold, mechanistic science. Where's the religion in it?

[ 05-16-2002, 10:43 PM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

Use the Swartz

That's schwartz. ;)

Yes, I will, I will!

Hmm... I think it's mitochloreans.
Mitochondria are in Parasite Eve (and actually do exist, but don't give you super powers. Rats. :( )
Anyhow, far be it from me to defend STar Wars. I am kind of iffy on it. I like the series, but not with the passion of some others.

First, let me say that the movie was incredible. I agree that the dialogue slowed down the movie, but then again I think it was neccessary to tell the story properly.

Second, sorry if you don't like the movie and can't get away from it. Imagine going through life (and midwestern American public schools) as a non-christian... it's everywhere you look. Your pain is understood.

Third, the Star Wars Movies talk about "midichloreans" (mid-ee-klor-ee-ans) which all life forms have (but Jedis have more).

Fourth, we have "mitochondria," which change the stuff we eat into energy (in the rough sense).

Fifth, Spaceballs ruled, and I'm STILL waiting for its "sequal" Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money.

[ 05-17-2002, 12:50 AM: Message edited by: Gammit ]

Is there going to be a spaceballs 2?? :eek:

Sure hope so. Then all this SW stuff will finally get yet another well-deserved laugh in the face. Maybe they can make Jar Jar a striptease dancer. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Or let a fat woman act as Queen Amidala and let her wear a g-string bikini.

[ 05-17-2002, 02:43 AM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

Damn spoilsport! ;) It's a classic dude! I still think the best plot and story was still "A New Hope". "The Phantom Menace" was a GROSS error in judgement. Please reserve the cheesy cannon fodder robots for Power Ranger movies. You know what I mean. I guess you'd have to be a fan and follow the story to understand. The Jedi is supposed to use his sabre both as a deadly weapon and an impenetrable defense. Try playing the video game and you'll get an idea.

LOL! "Meesa gettin' jiggy wit' it!", "Meesa shakin' it baby!" :D

its premiering tonight in madrid... i cant wait to see it in exactly 3 hours... :D

YES! WE MUST HAVE SPACE BALLS 2! The return of DARK HELMET! MUWAHAHHA!!!

I saw it last night and it was great.

Two words:
Yoda Rocks!!

I watched it last night too [img]smile.gif[/img] And while I thoroughly enjoyed it (the highlight being the last fighting sequence, of course :D ), I have 2 burning questions left unanswered after watching the movie:

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Qn 1: How on earth (or in the galaxy) could Amidala not have aged a single year while Anakin grew up [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] </font>

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Qn 2: What did she see in him at all?</font>

Hope anyone with a rational answer can PM me, cos I don't want this to turn out a spoiler for those who haven't caught the show...

I've been wondering the same thing! The age thing really is a bit silly. How old was she supposed to be in the first one? 10?

Yay, at least someone agrees with me!! [img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img]

Well, I thought she was around 15 and Anakin, about 8. But then, I could be mistaken [img]graemlins/reallyroll.gif[/img]

Seen it, but I don't think it was all that great. Somehow it seemed as though the film was constantly about to get up to speed. When it finally did, the movie was practically over.
Just before it ended, Lucas seemed to have deemed it nessecary to add a few last scenes to 'build up the tension' for part three, which, for me, did not work at all.
On top of that, it's standing at the edges of the shadow of the first LOTR film.
Not a bad movie though, just not as good as I'd hoped it would be. More Yoda-quality scenes maybe [img]smile.gif[/img]

Don't forget, all the characters you see in the Star Wars saga are actually not human. They're actually aliens -- they just happen to look human, that's all. So naturally their rate of aging etc would be different from ours. Hey, they're supposed to have lived millions of years ago in a galaxy millions of light years away, aren't they?

Heh, I'd be more than willing to believe that... anything, but to find it so illogical ;) The only other reason would be akin to those gongfu shows whereby the lady warriors take age-defying/preserving pills to maintain their youthful looks while they continue to age mentally, etc. [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]

OK guys, perhaps we are being a little bit Pedantic. If that's the worst thing we can find about the movie, then maybe it's pretty good!

Lucas borrowed all sorts of things from everywhere to brew up his SW hodge-podge -- including gongfu films. The name Padme Amidala is frankly borrowed from Buddhist literature; 'Padme' just too obviously resembles the Sanskrit padma meaning 'lotus', while 'Amidala' in turn all too obviously resembles Amitabha, the name of a well-known Buddhist deity. The 'Force' thing is also plainly ripped from Chinese philosophical ideas, while the resemblance of the Jedi to Japanese Kendo fighters is again plainly obvious. And dear Yoda -- doesn't he look like one of those ancient bearded East Asian sages? The whole thing's just a crazy hodge-podge.

Perhaps if Lucas included some tall, handsome, muscular, half-naked barbarians in his saga along the lines of the Scorpion King, whose powers would make the Jedi look like a bunch of nerds... Perhaps then I'll go watch a SW movie for the first time.

Yeah, it was pretty good for me at least :D

ROFL you ARE reaching here, striving to find any link to anything bad or what could be considered a rip-off. You seem to totally focus on it from an asian point of view, but it IS a western movie whether you want to know it or not. The Star Wars movies were made for kids in the first place and so were meant to be slightly comical. I very much doubt George Lucas is a "master" of knowledge of eastern words and phrases such as you ;)
As for the Jedi, they for the most part do not rely on other weapons but the lightsaber, since they have the skill to use it as a near impenetrable shield as well as a weapon. They use others weapons against them. And why does the force have to be connected to religion in some way? It is a natural force in the Star Wars universe, the equivilent of "magic" in a fantasy world. The lightsaber is a much a tradition of the Jedi as much as a personal weapon.

"Don't forget, all the characters you see in the Star Wars saga are actually not human."

Acutally no you are quite wrong [img]smile.gif[/img] People who look like humans ARE humans, that was the whole purpose of The Empire that all aliens were inferior and that humans are the ones that should rightly rule the universe, pretty much like the Ordos Xenos ideals in the WH40K universe. You may not like Star Wars personally but dont make assumptions that just prove your ignorance. I am not a rabid fan of the movies, but I do quite like the books set in the Star Wars universe [img]smile.gif[/img]

SW being made for kids? I don't know that kids can understand things like 'Senate', 'Trade Federations' and the like. I think SW is more for people who don't want to grow up. :rolleyes: As for being comical, my impression is that the SW saga is about as dead serious as you can get, Jar Jar Binks aside. After all, it's supposed to be about war, about the horrors of war with people getting butchered and worlds getting blown apart and what not. And here's my biggest gripe with SW: I honestly find it a bit difficult to feel serious about, to feel concerned for, totally imaginary people with corny names like Qui-Gon Jinn or Padme or whatever. What's wrong with names like John, Mary or K T Ong? :D

About the 'force' thing, nothing in the SW saga looks like 'magic' to me. I've already discussed that in an earlier post.

People who look like humans ARE humans? Well, dunno, maybe in the SW universe, but certainly not elsewhere. Superman looks human, but he isn't human. No human can fly or lift a Concorde. Klingons look like humans, but they're not. Elves, dwarves and hobbits look human, but they're not. External appearances establish nothing. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

As I've said in another earlier post in this thread, I have nothing against all this SW crap so long as I don't have to be bombarded by it well nigh every moment of my waking life -- which unfortunately is becoming very difficult.

[ 05-19-2002, 05:29 AM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

K T Ong,

One way of avoiding hearing about Star Wars "crap", is to stop opening threads that discuss it!

Just a thought! ;)

Aviendha.

Pardon me, I didn't open this thread!
Uhhh... I mean, start it. Okay, I get what you mean. And I'll stay away from this thread like the very plague from now on. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 05-19-2002, 05:34 AM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

When I say "Open", I really mean "look at", "read", "browse through", "access", "peruse", not necessarily create.
Sorry for the misunderstanding!

Aviendha.