He just sent me this email:
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From: Matthew Nemedy <mattnemedy@shaw.ca>
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:35:40 -0700

Hi there.
This is Tiamat if you are wondering. Why did you ban me? I wasnt trying to hurt your feelings or nuttin in my 'god of the dead post' I was expressing my opinion. And, why do you let Lioness's post 'Im new' run wild? I have posted worse.

You let everybody go but me.... I know I spammed... I have been cutting down on that.. I have also been called a few things.......
Sephy called me a bag of leprosy on that joke I did in the cafe. I could come back as a different alias, but what would that prove? Nothing.

I am not simply going to make a new account that disses you and IW eg- Zircok, IW SUX............ or am I going to unleash a virus on your server. Even evil ones know where to draw the line.

The Annihilated One....
Tiamat
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Just a warning. All Mods please watch out for anything. I am expecting something, so I Will be watching all Forums as well.

If he even tried to 'unleash a virus', we are protected in 3 ways. Not just a firewall.. (I have a special little program installed for these instances).

If he tries though, I'll have enough info to have him turned over to Interpol or the FBI. I am NOT playing around when it comes to hacking, I'll make sure he is busted.

ALL users -- be weary of new users that post 'a lot' and match (or not) his style.

Thanks,

WOAH! If Ziroc banned me i would'nt go that far!Tiamat may be bluffing,but we should still be careful.What if Tiamat changes his screen name or something like that?That probaly would effect anything,but still....Thanks for the warning Ziroc!Your always watching out for your people!

~SomeGuy

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I doubt he will unleash a virus, but why was he banned? Not making funny spam? :D Oh Lioness makes the amrk there! [img]tongue.gif[/img] But let's be careful, i mean I am sure if he comes back we will be able to spot a spammer like that [img]smile.gif[/img]
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What a Grade A dillhole!

Not that I agree with his style of posting, and he might say he's the king of all that is evil [img]tongue.gif[/img] but I don't think he's the type of person to "unleash a virus" on us. He took me as a guy that was craving attention, not as someone that was out to hurt people.

I'm not saying don't worry about it, cause it's always better to be safe than sorry, and I will keep an eye out for similar posting styles. [img]smile.gif[/img]

In the end Z, thanks dude, in the end I know that all you're doing is making IW a safer and better place for all of us. ;)

I second that opinion. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Seriously - I really do not think it's even within his capabilites to *think* about unleahing a virus. :rolleyes: Better safe than sorry, I guess.

Wow. I'm not sure he'd really unleash a virus but I guess you never know about people. I hope he was just having a disgruntled moment... I'll be sure to keep a look out for anything that looks like it might be from him.

-Jafin

PAH! More likely he was doing a drama queen act for attention

Is it going to get me closer to losing my membership to say that I'm very happy to see him banned? :D

What got him banned anyway? I saw him lose his profile-editing abilities, but not get banned or even suspended....

Pshaw! I'll doubt he even knows how to make a virus, much less send it to the server! And I'm with Neb, I'm actually relieved to see that he can't come back here. He only singles me out on that response because he got screwed over when I replied to him anyways, I could have done worse and others have too. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I LIKED Tiamat, even if he was a little immature. I'm sorry to see him get banned. And besides, didn't he say in his letter that he WASN't going to use a virus or anything? You guys are paranoid.

DUH!!!

he said he wasn't going to do something as SIMPLE as an offending name. He suggested the virus as an alternative

and "knowing where to draw the line" is a threat

I disagree, Lord Shield, I saw nothing of what you suggest in his post..interesting how different people can read the same thing an have toally different interpretations. The way I read it was..."I'm not going to make a new account that disses Ziroc or IW, nor am I going to create a virus. Even Evil (meaning Tiamat -- that's what he always called himself, the King of Evil) knows where to draw the line, that is, he is saying he knows the limits of antisocial behavior and he won't cross the line because he doesn't think it's right. It isn't stated very clearly, but having read enough of his posts, I think I can interpret "Tiamatese" pretty well.

I stand by my assertion that you are all paranoid...and, perhaps that your reading comprehension skills are not top-notch, either.

If you read it carefully he says he will NOT do any of that stuff (but his language is akward, thus leading, perhaps, to misinterpretation). He says even evil ones (i.e. himself) know where to draw the line. That's what I get out of it.

Or perhaps there's the fact that Tiamat is so incomprehensible in his ramblings that whenever he writes something "normal" we are sure that it must mean something else? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

bah he's just letting off some steam, face it, last time I got banned from a forum that i'd posted at about 3000 times I got so mad that I made similar threats to one of the mods, i could have wormed the place up good too, But I didn't because I didn't want to ruin the fun everyone else was having... the fact that he openly uses the word "Virus" just shows that he's all talk and no action. the kid was into Yugi-oh and pokemon, it was obviouse that he was just some little 13 or 14 year olf kid who didn't know how to conduct himself properly, there seem to be alot of those these days, let the weak die so the strong may live on, but know that the weak cannot just come back from the dead and slaughter you, besides, if anything happens to this place, I will personally ruin this kid's life... [img]smile.gif[/img] and that's not just talk... IW is a cheritable organization, and should damage come to it, the law of the land dictates that he can be arrested even at his young age and scentences to a 7 year (count em, 7) restriction from the ability to touch a touch-tone phone OR use a modem [img]smile.gif[/img] and since i got his IP adress... well... it's just a matter of time... OH and tiamat, nice bluff, but if you actually aren't bluffing, which I highly doubt, then i'm sure we'd all love to see what you can do [img]smile.gif[/img] because i'm sure it wouldn't be much... heh... don't fret Z... i'm sure he's got his face pressed into a pillow and he's crying his eyes out right now and that's all, he makes threats yeah, because anger is one of the stages of death, then comes depression, anxiety, he might try to bargain with you, LOL as if he could get anything after the threats he made, and then finally he'll just accept his loss and move on to some... Gundam Wing forum of some kind...

[img]smile.gif[/img] I was like him, though i'm not proud to admit it, when I was very, very, very young... we're talkin like 5 years ago... heh... ^_^; From what i've seen of him though, he's just all talk so don't worry, but then again, he could be hiding something, but even if he was, how the hell would he know how to use it properly? My recomendation is a full IP ban on his adress, unless you want to let him create another account and spam hate mail while still in the anger stage *shrugs*

ah but what do i know...

How silly of me, o wise one. You must be right and we're all paranoid. Of course, saying that makes you paranoid too

If you had read our posts you would find we're NOT paranoid because we don't think he's even CAPABLE of causing any harm to IW

No, I am not paranoid, I am trying to PROTECT everyone from this type of crap, can't you see that?

Let me get this straight. You are calling my comprehension skills low? AND others? Please let me know. I know how these types of people work. I've seen them come and go. you have NO idea what his past is like, and his previous acts. So unless you know what you are talking about............

From Z:

Like I said above, I think his letter was more one that just wondered why you banned him, and assured you that he WASN'T going to do any of that stuff, rather than containing any implicit threats. It's fine and dandy if you want to protect the board in general, but I really don't see a threat from Tiamat in particular.

BTW...I sense A LOT of hostility toward Tiamat here. Why? Is it really worth getting all emotional over what is really a very minor part of our lives? We wouldn't die without IW, you know. It is just a fun way to socialize with people around the world--for better or worse, just words on a computer screen--nothing more, nothing less.

Sir Michael, jsut to put a lighter note here:

there are TWO ways to read that note as you say. So why take the chances? play safe and nothing can happen as Z said. Caution is not paranoia

This board is fun for all. A crappy attack (no matter how slight) could spoil the fun (at least temporarily)

Let Z do his stuff and we can all forget about this ;)

<font color="cyan">Phew, he finally went.

I seem to remember nearly getting banned myself when I started the "ban Tiamet thread". Ah, well, can't say I wasn't correct. At least I knew Seph and Neb were behind me at the time.

And Ziroc isn't being paranoid, Tiamat is a grade A t**t. After listining to him babble about computers, it is obvious he can't do shit with a cpu...so no worrys there. But he might have friends who can, so Ziroc is being wise just by being careful.

And my point is proven:

Tiamat -"I'd come under a different allias".

Me -" Erm, mate, that isn't possible. He banned your IP."

Tiamat - "Eh??"

Lol!!! [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>

well, if he uses a dial-up account that leases IPs that will get through. Or he could use a different PC. Banning isn't that good unless you ban Subnets or worse

Again, from Z,
I've been here over a year...I've seen and heard enough of Tiamat to know him a little and his types of posts (and that he just celebrated his 14th birthday).

"These types of people?" Come on Ziroc, that type of stereotyping is beneath you. I wouldn't presume to judge Tiamat without personally knowing him.

<font color="cyan">There is stereotyping and stereotyping. He has known Tiamat since Tiamat arrived, like some of us. He continually annoys and says thinks that are out of order, and although I don't know what he said recently, his banning would be deserved.

And cos Z has known him since he came, he can stereotype him. He KNOWS what he is like.</font>

Sir Michael, you should not question Ziroc just because he has made a call based on much, much experience. How often have I read in the paper of a teenager doing something incomprehensible and some of their friends saying that he seemed a normal kid? This is Ziroc's forum, and you need to abide by his rules and not insult him.

Michael, we're just being cautious. We've known him longer than you have, trust me, I can tell by your registration date, and we know that he would try something like this were he smart enough. And might I add that you basically insulted the intelligence of everyone on the forums and said that you're smarter than everyone here. Not smart buddy, that's not the fast track to making friends.

I guess what bothers ME the most about all this (any why I've carried the argument so far), is that a few vocal and popular IW members could decide they don't like me either, and then I would be banned. Not the end of the world, like I said, but upsetting nonetheless.

You guys have ignored the allegations he makes about Lioness and Sephy in his letter, and I also have seen some absolutely rotten treatment of him from some of you in some other posts (name-calling and worse). I don't care what he did, he didn't deserve that kind of treatment. I think he was just a masochist, and perhaps he didn't know where else to go for attention being a kid and all.

<font color=Orange>He was banned? Woa...I never knew that. But anyways, I doubt he would send a virus to us. I just know. Trust me. But then again he might...</font>

Your right, of course, it's his forum...so perhaps I should ask him everytime I want to state my opinion?

All right, all right...I'll backtrack a little...I wasn't trying to insult anyone's intelligence, just comment on the fact that I though MY interpretation of T's letter was right, and most of you were wrong. I have noticed that perhaps people don't read through things carefully enough before formulating their replies, though.

And, I've been here much longer than my reg date and # of posts would indicate.

I've been here over a year...I've seen and heard enough of Tiamat to know him a little and his types of posts (and that he just celebrated his 14th birthday).

"These types of people?" Come on Ziroc, that type of stereotyping is beneath you. I wouldn't presume to judge Tiamat without personally knowing him.</font>[/QUOTE]You did not answer my question..

BTW, were you here when he was under a different username? He has been given WAY too many chances, and as I said, you don't know what has happened in the past.

When I said "Those People" I mean punks. Trolls that are predictable. You are not the Webmaster, and don't know how many times I have seen this played out. It is anways the same. He meets the quota perfectly.

So, as I said, you don't know what is going on.

[ 05-15-2002, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: Ziroc ]

Having read Tiamat's letter a few times, I am inclined to agree that he was stating that he knew where to draw the line and would not do those things. Some of us have been here for quite some time, and while I confess that I do not know Tiamat well, and I would not presume to claim that I know him or what he is capable of doing. I do know that there have been a number of problems that resulted from his previous behavior, and that this is not his first 'ban' offense. I hate to see anyone banned who is not a florid flamer or troll. But I do know that only Dan and mods really know all the issues regarding Tiamat and peoples reactions to him. They also know why he was banned before while most of us do not. I will have to trust Dan's judgement.

Well I can't tell exactly what Tiamat's e-mail meant, most of his posts are totally confusing to comprehend. It does seem to imply he was saying he wouldn't do that type of thing, but just mentioning it though turns on alarm bells nevertheless.

This thread is from what I can see Ziroc just telling us (as the Webmaster and Owner and Creator of this forum) he banned someone, and received in the mail possible (not probable) threats, and for us to just keep our heads up on that for not only our own individual protection, but for Ironworks as well. It shouldn't turn into some "Why Tiamat was banned" debate, as these things are Ziroc's decisions not ours.

Sir Michael, I suggest you let this go. NOW.

Regardless of Tiamat's intent (and I agree, BTW, I think he was assuring Ziroc that he WOULDN'T send a virus), the fact that he mentioned the "virus" word at all shows a complete lack of common sense. It's akin to walking up to an airport security desk and making a joke about a bomb.

Whether you agree with it or not, Ziroc has made his decision, and there is PLENTY other things that have happened that you may not know about. It IS, however, a violation of the Terms of Service to question the actions of a moderator, and Ziroc, as Webmaster, is head moderator:

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In order to maintain the civil atmosphere and keep things reasonably organized, Moderators may move, lock or delete threads that do not belong in these forums or break the Ironworks Rules. Remember, this is not a democracy. This is a semi-benevolent dictatorship."</font>

You are on VERY thin ice here, guy. You need to back off.

-Sazerac

[ 05-15-2002, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: Sazerac ]

Sir Michael, I am under the same belief that Tiamat's post was actually not a threat, and that some people have overreacted to it. But I also believe that Ziroc has responded in the correct manner. You never can be too sure.

Anyway, as much as some of Tiamat's posts have been ridiculous, I thought he had been getting better recently. I actually understood the last few threads he posted! It seems strange to me that he would be banned now, but then again, I am not a moderator and trust that Ziroc knows when to draw the line!

Aviendha.

Sorry Sazerac, your post came in after I started typing.

With luck he's not stupid enough to actually send a virus. That could be somewhat irritating. Not saying anything about the other things said in the thread...

<H3>Weasels!</H3>
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See, now you can all cheer up! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 05-15-2002, 08:18 PM: Message edited by: Encard ]

Sir Michael, I am not sure why you quoted me, but actually I am of the opinion that Tiamat's post was indeed saying that he would not do that. However, as everybody else has said, the fact that he is hurting and let some thoughts of revenge go through his head is the reason that Ziroc is alarmed. I, personally, shall report anything that sounds like Tiamat's distictive posting style to him or whatever forum's moderator that it is posted in. I'm glad you are such a loyal friend, but rules are rules.

Well, Tiamat's stuff is hard to comprehend, but as best I can tell it does look like he was saying he would not do such things. However, as Saz points out, just mentioning them makes you have to wonder why he's doing it. So if Ziroc feels the need to keep an eye out for unusual occurences, then we will keep an eye out for them. As he says, he's seen a lot of things go on in the course of being a webmaster and as Saz says, it's almost like walking into the airport and saying 'hey I don't REALLY have a gun in my pocket' for no reason.

As for how others have treated Tiamat, I have to agree on that score. Some people have been very rude and behaved in ways that were not usually acceptable if done to anyone else. I think Tiamat did his best to be a pain in the neck, but when he tried to be better there were people who still stomped on him.

Tiamat HAS been given many chances to straighten out, though. Ziroc has been incredibly tolerant of the kid. I would stress that Z allowed him to stay after MANY infractions and even changing his name didn't help matters. Recently he was starting to post less incomprehensible spam, but he made a few pretty bad mistakes, got banned and this is how it ends. Let's just move on now and hope he doesn't do anything foolish. :(

Tiamat wouldn't do a virus since the all mighty Choc would stop 'em!