Hope not.
Besides being BLATANTLY biased toward the right in all issues (which they freely admit) - which is the opposite of what journalism is meant to be, it now comes out that their supposed "Military Expert" who they claimed served in Vietnam, won the Silver Star, etc, served a grand total of 44 days in the service - all in boot camp. Lieutenant Colonel? Try PFC!
Way to check your "experts" out, Fox! If I want in-depth investigative reporting, I think I'll turn to a network that doesn't even know who its "experts" are...
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/29/bu...ia/29HOAX.html

*sigh* The virtue of Honesty is long dead it seems, is it possible to get unbiased news ANYWHERE today? I wish it was so. But sadly enough it probably isn't.....

some guy lied about his military background.so what?i would rather watch fox and their "we report you decide" stance than listen to the out right lies spewed out by the leftist propaganda mills like cnn(the clinton news network).did you see that wonderful unbiased reporting by christiana amanpour?reporting on the le pen story?calling his win in the first round of the election frances national shame?yeah thats unbiased.but of course that's why fewer people watch cnn now.and the funny thing is,is that fox is on fewer cable systems than cnn.but i guess you would rather get your news from a slanted source that only serves as a mouth piece for the left.
i would not say that greta van susteren,juan williams,or brit hume are conservative.but they are honest.and fox does not claim they are biased to the right.they would never go out of their way to defend bush when something goes wrong.but cnn does it all the time.how else could larry "the softball" king stay on the air.he gets his ass kicked every night by greta van susteren,and before her,by paula zahn.

"We report, you decide"? What a laugh. More like: "We report what we want you to hear, so that you decide what we want you to decide." That's how ALL news are, some are just more strongly like that than others.

Ehm, I've heard quite a few french people agree with it being shameful. What wouldn't be shameful about voting for someone that's an obvious racist?

You have GOT to be kidding about the NY Times, right??? They are one of the MOST biased of all newspapers in the nation! Read their editorials and overall reporting. They just don't lean to the left, they ARE left and they freely admit this.

´Mayby you should try watching the BBC

I find their rapporting on the Middle East to be especilly good

<font color = lightgreen>I always flip around, obtaining news from multiple sources. If you do this, you can balance them out and (usually) be able to figure out what is really going on. I agree with Ar-Cunin, though--always get your news from the BBC when you can (especially if you are an American) because then you don't have to filter out any left/right slant. Many news-oriented AM stations carry the BBC beginning at midnight (local time).</font>

The BBC? heh! a lot of bias is in their reporting too, though it's not as bad as our tabloids

I prefer Reuters as the source of news

The BBC are biased, but not as much as some of the papers here, and not mearly as much as American news.

Don't give me that garbage, FOX News is so unbelievably biased towards the right it makes me sick. And they do admit this, by spewing lines like "We're just trying to negate the effects of the otherwise liberal media" and so on. Only a right-winger would believe that they are unbiased.

Before you go on and trash CNN, I must inform you that I don't watch CNN enough to be able to gauge how biased they are. Of course, you just had to assume that since I am not right-wing, I must be a victim of the "liberal media". I actually prefer MSNBC, Reuters, and the BBC when I can get it. However, it is not uncommon for a right-winger to bash any news station that doesn't always portray right-wingers in the best light as "biased".

FOX News, like CNN, will decline in popularity. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon. Soon the people who watch it will wake up and realize that it is anything but un-biased.

Regarding the "Colonel", most news stations check out people's credentials before they hire them. You'd think FOX News would do the same.

[ 05-06-2002, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: Alexander ]

So what? No matter how biased a news station is, they wouldn't just make up an article!

FOX does not "admit" to being biased toward the right..can you please post the article in which you saw suuch an admission from fox?

FOX may or may not have screwed the pooch with their "Military" adviser, I didn't see the story so I can't comment. What I do know about FOX is that it is THE only US television news organization with a stated goal of reporting the NEWS and not spinning the issues.

There has been recent announcements by whistle blowers at most of the other "NEWS" agencies that there is a decided overbalance toward the left in the US "Jounalism" lately.

On the whole, (and I don't watch television news all that much) When I have viewed FOX, it seemed to me that all they did was report the facts. I would prefer FOX over CNN any day. But I prefer to get my news from a variety of sources on the web, and not just from the US, I particularly like the reporting done by Canadian News agencies...when they are about international issues that is...some of the domestic issues are....hehe not of concern to the USA.

Not trying to bust your bubble, just curious as to what set you off? Just the one incident of the military advisor? Hey, anyone can lie on a resume, it took years for the College coach to get caught, the Fire chief here in DC lied out his arse to get his job, untill you have staffed a company Id be a bit less harsh on the people who are trying to fill the spaces, resumes and refferences are tough to check some times. Hell even the Secretary of the Navy a few years ago had some fibs on his record (the guy who shot himself..don't remember his name...might be Borda or some such)

So what? No matter how biased a news station is, they wouldn't just make up an article!</font>[/QUOTE]By your own logic, FOX wouldn't just make stuff up about their Military advisor, so perhaps it wasn't their fault?

Smart move Az [img]smile.gif[/img] It is what I learned to do a loooong time ago. (I used to have access to the AP and UP lines, before it got to the news editing rooms [img]smile.gif[/img] amazing how stories change from the field to the nightly news) [img]smile.gif[/img] Multiple sources and some experience in the real world (defined as out side wherever your own back yard ends) is the only way to really have a clue.

FOx new...isnt that an oxymoron

It is their fault - they should have checked him out more thoroughly, especially if they were going to hire him as a consultant for their program.

Their mantra is that they are the counterweight to the alleged liberal bias of the other networks. The third article here goes into this quite a bit, the first two just point out how they don't even try to hide their bias.

http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/fox-main.html
http://www.cjr.org/year/98/2/fox.asp
http://torchmagazine.com/foxnews.html

Bull. Read the articles. Why is it that only the Republicans and conservatives like Fox News?

Try MSNBC or BBC if you can get it. They provide the most balanced news. I don't watch CNN enough to know whether or not they're biased, but I doubt it.

Hey, if you're going to have someone you're going to consult on the air, you'd better make darn sure you're not going to make an idiot out of yourself on the air.

Oh, and for those of you who thought Bill O'Reilly isn't biased, sorry to break the news...

http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/oreilly.html

And here are Fox's "sources", most of which are conservative by an 8-1 ratio...

http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/sources.html

IMO, the best anglophone daily news ressource is The Independent (UK). At least for international news... i don't know a thing about british politics.
www.independent.co.uk

FOX is an insult to journalism! If you want to know how much FOX network is biased, check the archives of fairness and accuracy in reporting. They have LOTS of media alerts about FOX.
www.fair.org

I don't agree... Forget about TV, it's all on internet. I don't know what's your interest, but for each subject you can find info from every "side" whenever it's too hot to trust mass medias.

<font color = lightgreen>I forget who came up with the idea that, modern technology being what it is, news stories could be completely fabricated, including the video. However, for the sake of this discussion, we won't even go down that paranoid route.... Orson Welles' War of the Worlds--enough said.

It is never wise to accept what any one person or agency is telling you without trying to verify the information either for yourself or from other independent sources.</font>

First did you alos mangae to read that he actually works for another network first? That he assisted a group of Generals and such in helping them form their opions that they handed to news shows. That that is where FOX found him. Also that military recors are sealed and not normaly avaiable to the public (which would include a network) Oh I am sorry is that bias for the "right" since i try to look at all the facts.
Myself I tend to watch the BBC on PBS and MSNBC.

I was trained as an historian, which means I have a dedicated contempt for journalists of any stripe. In any event, bias is impossible to avoid in any source that attempts to "report" on human affairs -- whether they're happening this instant, or happened 500 years ago. And largely irrelevant. Say what? Irrelevant. Why? Because one shouldn't go to a news source for their editorializing, he should go for facts. Editorials are like criticism: the only ones that matter are those that make us think, or (more often) those with which we already agree. If one cannot separate the editorializing from the facts, one shouldn't be watching the news -- a form of programming that really should be rated NC-17, not that it would make any difference.

"One should always believe everything he reads in the newspapers, as this makes them more interesting." -- Rose Macauley

Regards;

Mal

What I don't understand is that some people mention left-wing biased news channels when it is said that FOX is right-wing. A right-wing bias doesn't "counter" a left-wing bias unless people watch equal amounts from both channels. Any bias is bad no matter in which direction it lies, the media should at least STRIVE to remain objective, even if it can't be achieved perfectly.

This is why I get all my news from rotten.com.THey are unbiased and usualy have stories about stuff I am interested in.

Their mantra is that they are the counterweight to the alleged liberal bias of the other networks. The third article here goes into this quite a bit, the first two just point out how they don't even try to hide their bias.

http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/fox-main.html
http://www.cjr.org/year/98/2/fox.asp
http://torchmagazine.com/foxnews.html

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FOX may or may not have screwed the pooch with their "Military" adviser, I didn't see the story so I can't comment. What I do know about FOX is that it is THE only US television news organization with a stated goal of reporting the NEWS and not spinning the issues.

Bull. Read the articles. Why is it that only the Republicans and conservatives like Fox News?

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On the whole, (and I don't watch television news all that much) When I have viewed FOX, it seemed to me that all they did was report the facts. I would prefer FOX over CNN any day. But I prefer to get my news from a variety of sources on the web, and not just from the US, I particularly like the reporting done by Canadian News agencies...when they are about international issues that is...some of the domestic issues are....hehe not of concern to the USA.

Try MSNBC or BBC if you can get it. They provide the most balanced news. I don't watch CNN enough to know whether or not they're biased, but I doubt it.

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Not trying to bust your bubble, just curious as to what set you off? Just the one incident of the military advisor? Hey, anyone can lie on a resume, it took years for the College coach to get caught, the Fire chief here in DC lied out his arse to get his job, untill you have staffed a company Id be a bit less harsh on the people who are trying to fill the spaces, resumes and refferences are tough to check some times. Hell even the Secretary of the Navy a few years ago had some fibs on his record (the guy who shot himself..don't remember his name...might be Borda or some such)

Hey, if you're going to have someone you're going to consult on the air, you'd better make darn sure you're not going to make an idiot out of yourself on the air.</font>[/QUOTE]Ok I was right and you were wrong...You said FOX admitted to being biased...what you showed me in those links was three decidedly liberal sites quoting the liberals about FOX....gee big surprise.

Again, you totally ignored what I said about FOX making a mistake about their advisor...you cannot show me a single news organization in the history of this company which didn't make an error in its sources..sources they used to make broadcasts to the public...it isn't as easy as you seem to think to verify someones past.

Forgeries and fakes are hard to spot, and if the Government can't always be sure they have trustworthy people (any one of the traitor spy people in recent history as examples) then it is just going to be that much harder for a news organization, the best they can do is to make a good faith effort, and as far as I can see they did this.
You don't see me hopping up and down crying every time CNN misreports somethign...and BOY do THEY mis-report.....Ive read the text that goes into their office and seen what comes out....it bears no sembelence to what is being reported in many cases.

FOX claims to balance the liberal tilt of the other media..that does nto mean that they twist their stories that much to the right...that means they just try to report the news and the facts...and save the op-ed stuff for the op-ed space. This does not mean that FOX feels that they have to spin things to the right. Why do only right wingers and conservatives like FOX?? well first off I think you are speaking for a whole lot of people who you have no idea what they like...secondly as a conservative libertarian I have to say I like them because I don't have to work so hard to find the facts thru all the BS. Now I personally think FOX may be a bit skewed to the right....but anything not on the left is going to look right by comparison.

Actually it was Alex. who contended that because FOX claims to balance the Leftist journalism of other media, that they had to be right wingers...but actually FOX dis'es the right when they see the need too, they are at LEAST attempting to be what other NEWS agnecies should strive for..and that is Journalists..un-biased..as in they report the facts and leave the opinions for the OP-ed people and the viewer and reader.

if any one thinks fox is biased to the right then answer me this question:why do so many people who lean to the left not only watch fox,but work for them?
you want to see bias?watch larry king throw softballs at hillary,jessy,and al.you want to see unbiased?watch hillary,jessy,and al refuse to go on bill o'reilly.why don't they go on you ask?because bill o'reilly doesn't ask softball questions.i don't care what your political leaning he will drill you a new one if you try to lie or spin.

Their mantra is that they are the counterweight to the alleged liberal bias of the other networks. The third article here goes into this quite a bit, the first two just point out how they don't even try to hide their bias.

http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/fox-main.html
http://www.cjr.org/year/98/2/fox.asp
http://torchmagazine.com/foxnews.html

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FOX may or may not have screwed the pooch with their "Military" adviser, I didn't see the story so I can't comment. What I do know about FOX is that it is THE only US television news organization with a stated goal of reporting the NEWS and not spinning the issues.

Bull. Read the articles. Why is it that only the Republicans and conservatives like Fox News?

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On the whole, (and I don't watch television news all that much) When I have viewed FOX, it seemed to me that all they did was report the facts. I would prefer FOX over CNN any day. But I prefer to get my news from a variety of sources on the web, and not just from the US, I particularly like the reporting done by Canadian News agencies...when they are about international issues that is...some of the domestic issues are....hehe not of concern to the USA.

Try MSNBC or BBC if you can get it. They provide the most balanced news. I don't watch CNN enough to know whether or not they're biased, but I doubt it.

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Not trying to bust your bubble, just curious as to what set you off? Just the one incident of the military advisor? Hey, anyone can lie on a resume, it took years for the College coach to get caught, the Fire chief here in DC lied out his arse to get his job, untill you have staffed a company Id be a bit less harsh on the people who are trying to fill the spaces, resumes and refferences are tough to check some times. Hell even the Secretary of the Navy a few years ago had some fibs on his record (the guy who shot himself..don't remember his name...might be Borda or some such)

Hey, if you're going to have someone you're going to consult on the air, you'd better make darn sure you're not going to make an idiot out of yourself on the air.</font>[/QUOTE]Ok I was right and you were wrong...You said FOX admitted to being biased...what you showed me in those links was three decidedly liberal sites quoting the liberals about FOX....gee big surprise.</font>[/QUOTE]They didn't quote the liberals, the first site quoted the conservatives (did you even read any of it?) and the other two sites didn't quote at all, and the few quotes they did have came from conservatives as well. If you want more links, I will go get some, but I doubt even Rupert Murdoch or Bill O'Reilly coming to your home and telling you that FOX News is conservative will make you believe that they admitted it.

What forgeries? What fakes? They took his credentials at face value. The article indicates that they didn't even try to check this guy out.

Proof? Besides right-wing rhetoric?

If they were balancing as they claim, they'd have to be right-wing to balance the "liberal" media. Otherwise, if they were unbiased, there would be one unbiased network and a bunch of liberal networks....hardly a balance. Of course, many people think that the "liberal" media is a total myth spun by the conservatives to make them sound poor and defenseless - myself included.

You want straight facts? Check out the BBC, or MSNBC or Reuters. But not FOX News. That network sickened me when I watched Bill O'Reilly tormenting people with different views.