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Bill Gates has changed his story. For the last three days, Gates has been arguing that this was technically impossible, but today, he reversed his story. :eek:
Gates admits stripped-down Windows possible Rudedawg's opinion- [img]graemlins/twocents.gif[/img] I do believe that Gates and M$ should be allowed to get away with everything they can. I believe that the DOJ has over-stepped their authority, and are making unreasonable demands. I also Believe that M$ stole the technology they have marketed so well. But they have the right to profit off the ignorance of end-users who continue to throw money at the M$ temple. Instead of forcing M$ to give their code to competitors (think of the precedent this will set) the DOJ should just make it easier to buy a "clean" box, a computer with no OS on it, or an alternative OS (Linux, for example). And, of course, you could go Mac... [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] [ 04-26-2002, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: RudeDawg ] |
Bill Gates is a god, and he should be allowed to do anything he wants, if not be made ruler of the known universe. (I'm only half-joking, BTW.)
Practically, for most computer users, there is no alternative to Windows. The other options are really no options at all. For "power users" like me, it is very easy and cheap to build a custom clean box as you describe. As a matter of fact, that is what I did with this computer. I already had WinMe, so I just reinstalled it on the new HDD (formatting the old one, so I didn't violate licensing agreements), and I didn't buy a new OS until XP. It would be a mistake to force Microsoft to make Windows open-source. If they want to force MS to make a stripped down version, that is okay by me, but don't expect me to buy it. I like all those extra features Bill and the team put with the OS. Ever hear of "value-added?" |
I don't know how he gets away with what he says (Bill Gates) - what does he think he is, anyway? The teflon President? (smirk)
I am wondering how long this litigation will last, how long Microsoft will hold out on compliance, how many appeals there will be.... etc. It will be a long time before we see a change in the marketplace... I am more interested in seeing what the stocks will do if he loses ... |
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<font color = lightgreen>I think forcing Microsoft to divulge Windows code would set a very dangerous precedent, because then intellectual property (and the patents on the same) would be meaningless/worthless. If Microsoft is forced into this, then Coca-Cola should be forced to make its formula public, Chevrolet would have to release all engine designs, all computer manufacturers would have to divluge specifications, etc. Very bad for business--why create anything when you will have to turn over all your secrets and ideas just so there can be "fair" competition? The lazy companies would just take your ideas and make money with them. I am not "pro" Microsoft (even though I personally never experience any problems with their products), but no one seems to be considering this angle of the whole situation.
Also, this situation falls into the same category as suing McDonald's because you spilled hot coffee in your lap (like a moron) or suing Phillip-Morris because your grandfather chose to smoke for 40 years. Why not sue Ford because your uncle was killed in a car wreck? Shouldn't Ford have put warning labels like "CAUTION: DRIVING THIS VEHICLE MAY RESULT IN DEATH" or some such nonsense? Where is the common sense these days? Ranting is now complete. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] </font> |
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all i can say is currently MS is a monopoly over OS i thought was su[pposed to be illegal. IMO it is a monopoly seeing as how linux can't run games well and Mac is well... kinda crap (unless its improved since i used it a good few years ago [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) [ 04-26-2002, 06:03 AM: Message edited by: Bruce The Aussie ] |
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all i can say is currently MS is a monopoly over OS i thought was su[pposed to be illegal. IMO it is a monopoly seeing as how linux can't run games well and Mac is well... kinda crap (unless its improved since i used it a good few years ago [img]tongue.gif[/img] )</font>[/QUOTE]Well, it's only a monopoly because the competition has decided to make their things incompatible with most current software. IF Linux and Macs were able to run as many things as Windows they'd be competing with them on an even level. Not MS's fault that their competition can't compete. [ 04-26-2002, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: Neb ] |
Might not be M$'s fault... but Bills driving incredibly agressive business practices at microsoft, and many of those practices amount to manuvering to systemically exclude competition from the Wintel universe. I've got a problem with that.
I do not believe that Internet Explorer NEEDED to be bundled with Windows to provide the same level of integration... it was an obvious attempt to provide some cool integrated capabilities without leaving the hooks available for competitors (Navigator) to use. That is only one of MANY examples... Bill is a brilliant and ruthless businessman and I certainly think he deserves all the success he's achieved. BUT... I think he needs his wings clipped a bit on the anti-competitive behaviors front. |
Mr Gates is a brilliant business man (give the devil his due) but his forte is in the propaganda M$ drivels out.
"Linux can't play games, Mac's are crap, if they could run as many things as Windows..." I guess the Ford Escort and the Honda Civic are better vehicles than BMWs and Lexus, since there are so many more of them on the road. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...ons/icon32.gif There are many games that run on Linux, and most of the new games are being written for it. There's a ton of stuff on the Mac. but, M$ has all of you believing that Windoze is the only way to go, and like lemmings, you follow! Like I said earlier, gates deserves all the money you give him. BTW, it seems that Dreamworks, makers of movies like Shrek (which was completely made on Linux boxes), disagrees with most of you. Thev're switched EVERYTHING to Linux. And Macs to run the administration end. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] |
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Linux and Apple are both still in the game, but to play on even footing with Billy is tough with their business models. Linux will never be mainstream as long as it retains the aura of "geek toy". It needs the heavies to jump in, apply the OS to a commercial product, and stand behind it. Not too many of us are comfortable rebuilding the OS to add support for a new device... sad but true. Apple shot themselves in the foot so many times it's a wonder they're still in business... but now they've got some VERY cool products, their OS is in catch up mode but it's making progress, and lots of people are looking for an alternative to Wintel. Apple is still pretty much the only game in town. Add to that the fact that the internet has to some extent mitigated the division between Apples and Wintel platforms (both run internet apps just fine) and the Apple I think might soon be making inroads into the mainstream. That's good for us ALL... even those of us who are die hard Microserfs. |
hell,apple could have dominated the market but steve jobs charged too much for his machines.they are better than win machines,but not that much better.and after jobs left they continued to do the same.
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<font color=Orange>Macs are way better. And how much do you wanna bet that in like 3 years Microsoft will move their manufacturing country to China or Japan where they can have people make them for like $1 a day.</font>
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Linux is catching up as a games platform. With the Xfree86 pproject nearing completion we now have a package equivalent to DirectDraw, and we have MESA to handle the Direct3D part of it. DirectSound stilll has no equivalent and sound on linux is still a joke. More importantly, we dont have a unified network interface like DirectPlay.
M$ got a massive advantage since they have total control over Windows - and they can play with a budget thats bigger than that of some countries. All we need for Linux to match windows is one big developer thats willing to work on it without trying to dominate the OS. |
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