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Lioness 04-23-2002 05:05 PM

Ac est una leana.

I know that is sooo wrong...does anyone here speak Latin? I need to know the word for "i" and how to conjugate "to be" in the present tense. [img]smile.gif[/img] Help! Please. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Kaz 04-23-2002 05:11 PM

(what's "leana"?)
Well, one of the main differences in Latin: you do not NEED the word "I". You can just write "am" (sum, that'd be) and that's already "I am". You only use words like "I, you, he/she" etc. when you want to emphasize the pronoun. Well, in any case, in the nominative (I take it you want to use "I" as the subject of the sentence, right?), I means "ego".
The forms of esse (to be):
1st person sing.: sum
2nd person sing.: es
3rd person sing.: est
1st person plural: sumus
2nd person plural: estis
3rd person plural: sunt

johnny 04-23-2002 05:13 PM

i believe it's "te", but i'm not sure

Lioness 04-23-2002 05:20 PM

Thanks! [img]smile.gif[/img]

leana is lioness. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

so:

Sum una leana? Is 'una' right? Or is it un?

/)eathKiller 04-23-2002 06:38 PM

You know what's funny? I passed Spanish, I passed Spanish II... I should be able to know this stuff... but I dont...

so there... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Tiamat 04-23-2002 08:53 PM

Tu aime le Sephiroth? Il branche. Je suis intelligent! Guess wat language that iz!

Lioness 04-23-2002 09:09 PM

French, but I have no idea what you're saying.. :confused:

Encard 04-23-2002 09:14 PM

Ich bin nicht gestorben. Ich weiss Latin night. Ich sagt, "Moo!" Yay... I used to take Latin at school, but that was several years ago, and our teacher didn't teach us well... [img]smile.gif[/img]

Legolas 04-24-2002 08:06 AM

I think it's una...

Then again, I've never had any Latin classes.
French is as South as I go... and I'm not really good at that either ;)

Galadria 04-24-2002 08:22 AM

Children, children. Lioness, it is Sum unam leonam. Object takes accusative case, sweetie. (Hugs for wanting to learn Latin) Want me to send you a copy of Latin Pro Populo? (Latin for People.)

Sir_Tainly 04-24-2002 08:27 AM

Latin's a dead language,
As dead as can be.
It killed off the Romans,
And now it's killed me! :D

Sorry I had to suffer Latin for 3 years at school.

[ 04-24-2002, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: Sir_Tainly ]

Bruce The Aussie 04-24-2002 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tiamat:
Tu aime le Sephiroth? Il branche. Je suis intelligent!
You like Sephiroth? not sure (skipped fench mostly) i am intelligent. its something on those lines. i only went to 1 in every 40 or so french lessons [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Galadria 04-24-2002 08:34 AM

Hic visio unum antiintellectium. Suffress.

Sir_Tainly 04-24-2002 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Galadria:
Hic visio unum antiintellectium. Suffress.
Quo ? :D

Legolas 04-24-2002 08:43 AM

Ehrm... you see people with no intellect and want to make them suffer?

Galadria 04-24-2002 09:28 AM

Aqueso. Placet.

Legolas 04-24-2002 09:32 AM

Can't argue with that...

MagiK 04-24-2002 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Galadria:
Children, children. Lioness, it is Sum unam leonam. Object takes accusative case, sweetie. (Hugs for wanting to learn Latin) Want me to send you a copy of Latin Pro Populo? (Latin for People.)
Leave it to the lady Doc to know her latin [img]smile.gif[/img]

And E pluribus Unum to all and to all a good night ;)

Galadria 04-24-2002 10:02 AM

Ave, MagiK! Amo te. (Osculum)(Embrasum)

jtqbe 04-24-2002 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Galadria:
Children, children. Lioness, it is Sum unam leonam. Object takes accusative case, sweetie. (Hugs for wanting to learn Latin)
Actually, esse used as a copulative verb (hey, keep your mind out of the gutter) doesn't take an accusative because it isn't really a direct object; instead, it takes a complement in the same case as its subject (same goes for Greek). "I am a/the lioness" would be "Sum leaena" or "Leaena sum" (a form of "unus" isn't necessary in Latin, unless you want to be emphatic: "I am ONE lioness").

[edit: I looked up "lioness" in the dictionary and it's either "lea" or "leaena". "Leaena" is taken from the Greek, while "lea" is from the Latin.]

[ 04-24-2002, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: jtqbe ]

MagiK 04-24-2002 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Galadria:
Ave, MagiK! Amo te. (Osculum)(Embrasum)
Errr Ummmm hehe ya know I have always been a straight A student and never had to study, and yet every single language class I have ever taken (french, spanish and german) I have failed at miserably :( I seem ot be lacking the language gene.

So...uhh what does Amo te. (Osculum) (Embrasum) translate out to?

how does it go? carborundum, non disputandem? ahhh I can't reemember...it has been such a long long time since anyone has tossed latin my way [img]smile.gif[/img]

Sir ReGiN 04-24-2002 11:20 AM

In nomine patri et fili et spiritus sancti! Est veni vidi vici, con fugliate...capriccosa.

Helspanth 04-24-2002 12:12 PM

Vanitas Vanitatum et omni est Vanitas.
At least I think it is this way! :D

Rikard_OHF 04-24-2002 12:14 PM

Me iz in Rome so There's latin all over here
one sentence springs to mind thouigh
try translating it
i probably tols some of you the translation already

Lauda in illo quod nec eripi potest nec dari quod propium hominis est

btw lioness it's

Ac Leana Sum

though i havenòt the slightest clue what Ac iz [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Lioness 04-24-2002 12:53 PM

wheee...

*clutches head*

Thanks all, I'll reread this when I have time to take notes. ;)

Bahamut 04-24-2002 12:59 PM

I think the other guys right...

when you say Sum Una Leonam it translates into "I am one Lioness" Which is not what I think you want to say right? err yeah [img]smile.gif[/img]

Sum Leonam or Leona Sum. I think that is it... what is Verum Est?

Galadria 04-24-2002 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bahamut:
I think the other guys right...

when you say Sum Una Leonam it translates into "I am one Lioness" Which is not what I think you want to say right? err yeah [img]smile.gif[/img]

Sum Leonam or Leona Sum. I think that is it... what is Verum Est?

Yep, you all are right, I loked it up at lunch. esse is an intransitive verb and takes the nominative case as its object, Laeana sum would be correct. Forgive the doggy Latin, it's been a long whiule.

Kaz 04-24-2002 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rikard_OHF:

Lauda in illo quod nec eripi potest nec dari quod propium hominis est

*stares at page full of notes* this Latin dictionary is useless! It tells me potesse=posse but doesn't have an entry for posse!

I get the impression that I don't know all the necessary grammar for this translation. Rikard, could you tell me if this is right (or Galadria):
Lauda: imperative singular of laudare, to praise
in: in [img]tongue.gif[/img] preposition with ablative or accusative (ablative in this case I guess)
illo: ablative singular masculinum/neutrum from ille, illa, illud, meaning *jener* in German, I suppose something like the former in English.
quod: my dictionary tells me this is a subjunction. I have no idea what that is. EDIT: could be a form of qui, quae, quod too but in that case this sentence is screwed badly.
nec: closest thing I have is nec: or not, also not, but not (rough translation)
eripi: infinitive present passive of eripere/eripire (stupid dictionary) or imperative?
potest: from potesse, 3rd person singular (present tense), to be able to
nec: see above
dari: infinitive present passive from dare, to give
quod: see above
propium: closest I have here is propius, a, um: characteristic. Would then be nominative/accusative singular neutrum or accusative singular masculinum.
hominis: at last a word I know! Genitive singular of homo, meaning human.
est: from esse (to be) 3rd person singular

HELP!!!!!!!!! [img]graemlins/help.gif[/img]
Is this right? I've yet to get it into a comprehensible sentence, but I have no idea what a subjunction is! :( don't have Latin long enough yet I guess.

[ 04-24-2002, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: Kaz ]

johnny 04-24-2002 02:19 PM

dos cervezas por favor

slackerboy 04-24-2002 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir ReGiN:
In nomine patri et fili et spiritus sancti! Est veni vidi vici, con fugliate...capriccosa.
:D great movie!!

Qbe 04-24-2002 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaz:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rikard_OHF:

Lauda in illo quod nec eripi potest nec dari quod propium hominis est

HELP!!!!!!!!! [img]graemlins/help.gif[/img]
Is this right? I've yet to get it into a comprehensible sentence, but I have no idea what a subjunction is! :( don't have Latin long enough yet I guess.
</font>[/QUOTE]That's Seneca, if I remember correctly from Latin 3 (long ago). I'll toss some grammar your way, hopefully without giving away the translation.

</font>
  • illo -- correct analysis, though not necessarily "jener" in the sense of "the former"; a fair gloss is "that" </font>
  • quod -- you're right, it's from qui, quae, quod; "which". Both times.</font>
  • nec...nec -- if you see one nec, look for another. It's a popular correlative: "neither. . . nor"</font>
  • eripi -- passive infinitive, like dari</font>
  • proprium -- neuter accusative, I think, with quod.
    </font>
I hope that helps!

[ 04-24-2002, 03:45 PM: Message edited by: Qbe ]

Bahamut 04-26-2002 09:24 AM

And I quote from Demolition Man:

"Carnes de ratas!!!" :D :D :D (sorry if spelled incorrectly)


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