From tomorrow's News of the World - not denied by Charlie. Apparently Harry was barred from a pub after a fight. Now I know that we never really thanked the Americans for taking Fergie odd of our hands but is there any chance you will take this arsehole from us? If his mother was alive today she'd be turning in her grave.

HARRY SENT TO `REHAB CLINC'

PRINCE Harry was sent to a drugs rehabilitation clinic after he admitted to smoking cannabis and drinking alcohol.

His father, the Prince of Wales, is believed to have sent his son to visit Featherstone Lodge Rehabilitation Centre in Peckham, south London, reports the News of the World.

Prince Charles took the decision after finding out that the prince had taken drugs at Highgrove private parties, and drank alcohol at the Rattlebone Inn, Sherston, Wiltshire, the paper says.

A spokesman for St James's Palace said: "This is a serious matter which was resolved within the family, and is now in the past and closed."

<font color = "lightblue">PRINCE Harry was sent to a drugs rehabilitation clinic after he admitted to smoking cannabis and drinking alcohol.

Now, there's a thought. If we implemented that in Hollywood and on Capitol Hill, we could get rid of our horrid entertainment industry and our entire government in one swell foop.</font>

if thats the worst britain has to offer then you must have the most law abiding society in the world.
sounds to me like he's a normal teenager, bong on [img]graemlins/bonghit.gif[/img]

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<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Donut:
From tomorrow's News of the World - not denied by Charlie. Apparently Harry was barred from a pub after a fight. Now I know that we never really thanked the Americans for taking Fergie odd of our hands but is there any chance you will take this arsehole from us? If his mother was alive today she'd be turning in her grave.

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What?! Who'd dare bury her alive!!? :D

Nice one Harry! :D

I don't get the big deal about this. As Downunda says, he's just an ordinary teenager. The british press seems to love making a mountain out of a molehill. Any slip up of the royal family is seen as ground breaking news all the time, and to be honest, I'm quite sick of it.

And yes, Vaskez is right as usual - thumbs up to Harry ;)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Arledrian:
[QB]I don't get the big deal about this. As Downunda says, he's just an ordinary teenager. The british press seems to love making a mountain out of a molehill. Any slip up of the royal family is seen as ground breaking news all the time, and to be honest, I'm quite sick of it.
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Hehe, the reason they do this is that the royal family is supposed to be the symbol of Britain (or at least one of the symbols) and as such people expect the members of the royal family to behave like model citizens etc. (well really they should shouldn't they, otherwise they're just common bums with posh names and a lot of money? ;) ). The fact that Harry is "as bad" as a "normal" teenager is obviously shocking to some 40+ year-olds and from their perspective I can understand their view.

<font color="cyan">I was going to post about this.

I don't see the big deal either, and as I am the same nationality and age as Harry, I can confirm he is just being a normal British Teenager.

No action has been taken, except he was givin a guided tour around the clinic, for shock value</font>

Normal? ell, it isn't normal smoking such stuff.

And the reason they make so big "fuzz" of it, it is because the future king makes an illegal action.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Istaron:
Normal? ell, it isn't normal smoking such stuff.

And the reason they make so big "fuzz" of it, it is because the future king makes an illegal action.<hr></blockquote>

Ain't illegal where I'm from, my friend ;)

Yea yea, but you are from Holland, and everybody knows how you are down there.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Arledrian:
I don't get the big deal about this. As Downunda says, he's just an ordinary teenager. The british press seems to love making a mountain out of a molehill. Any slip up of the royal family is seen as ground breaking news all the time, and to be honest, I'm quite sick of it.<hr></blockquote>

<font color = "lightblue">The reason's simple: the Brits, like the bunch of us in the US, have a news media who determine the value of a story by its ability to sell the most ads/airtime. Dirt on the high and mighty, even specks of it, fits right up there in power of tittilation right alongside Three Killed in Auto Crash in Boise, Idaho, and Child's Body Found Mutilated in Ditch at Long Beach; the Full, Shocking Detais at 10.

The free media, IMO, is only free in whatever sense the owners of it permit.</font>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Istaron:
Yea yea, but you are from Holland, and everybody knows how you are down there.<hr></blockquote>
And just what is THAT supposed to mean?

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dreamer128:

And just what is THAT supposed to mean?<hr></blockquote>

Read the rest of the posts in this thread and you'll see what he means i.e. Dutch laws are very loose compared to other countries, that's all, no need to be so paranoid. ;)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Istaron:
Normal? ell, it isn't normal smoking such stuff.

And the reason they make so big "fuzz" of it, it is because the future king makes an illegal action.<hr></blockquote>

Don't want to be picky here but harry is not the future king thats his big brother William, now if he was caught puffing i don't think youd hear too much about it.

He could be the future king. Will and Charlie boy would have to be bumped off first. That's if old Charles isn't considered too gaga to be king in the first place. Oh well it doesn't really matter and it hasn't been made that bigger deal of anyway.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dreamer128:

And just what is THAT supposed to mean?<hr></blockquote>

Looks like we've been rumbled, Tom ;)

<font color="cyan">Here is my two pence.

Firstly, Istaron, I luved the way you provoked the dutch, then when you had wound them up, dropped it. Twas smooth.

But I do think the dutch have that law correct, and that it should be legalised. (I am not going to say I have done such stuff, as my brother browses this board....hehe), BUT, I don't think making a natural substance illegal is correct. I think alchohol should be banned before cannabis, as it is manmade.

IMHO William will be the next king, as the Queen will choose to skip Charles on the throne, unless she kicks the bucket in the next 3-4 years.

And Harry is just being a normal lad, having the normal urges that normal lads do. Everyone want's to be a rebel, its the COOL thing to do. He also admitted to drinking underage, but hasn't everone else done that? I'm still underage now, and so is my bro, and we both drink.

Give my regards to the dutch.....</font>

You're right Lavandathar, I felt so offended that I hardly dared post this. Oh, the shame of having legal weed. Istaron, have pity and please, spare me your smoothness, I can't take much more.... :(

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Arledrian:
You're right Lavandathar, I felt so offended that I hardly dared post this. Oh, the shame of having legal weed. Istaron, have pity and please, spare me your smoothness, I can't take much more.... :( <hr></blockquote>

LOL [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

<font color="brightgreen"> I agree. He isnt being anything other than what he is- a teenager. And his father is RIGHT to send him to the Rehab- if it is a problem, that is what to do.

And Canabis- is not natural, not realy. The reason it is illegal is because of the damage it can cause. BUt some scientists say that if u can get a good clean, natural supply of it, it could actually be benificial.

This kind of reminds me of a recent story from Oz concerning the law about cannabis- (this is from a radio report)

A loophole from the 1999 drugs senate has recently been closed (at last). The law aloud children to carry up to 10 grams of Cannabis, twice the amount that adults are aloud. This is for personal use.
It has been changed back so that both Children and Adults are both aloud 15g for personal use. The Greens in the Upper House consider this a BACKWARD STEP!!

Now 30 grams- retails for about AUS$300, is enough to fill a sandwitch bag, and can make anywhere from 75 to 100 joints depending on how you role it, and that was for PERSONAL USE?!?!?!

Worst of all was when one of the Greens was called onto the radio station to explain what made it a backward step.

She said- It is the same as taking a six pack of beer to a party. If your drug of choice is cannabis, then this is wbat you will use.

Uhhh, sorry but it like taking a KEG to a party to drink ALL BY YOURSELF!!!
And why were children aloud more than adults ?? :2ponder:


I think ill just say that its a goverment thing. </font>

As I am helping to pay for this arsehole's education and personal bogyguard I think he should learn to behave himself. We pay the royals to do a job and bad publicity is not part of the job description.

Royle family - my arse!!!

good point, well made Donut.

I don't care what they do, and I'd rather not hear about it.
I think that's rich that Charlie is wound up about it - I mean he talks to plants.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lavindathar:
<font color="cyan">And Harry is just being a normal lad, having the normal urges that normal lads do. Everyone want's to be a rebel, its the COOL thing to do. He also admitted to drinking underage, but hasn't everone else done that? I'm still underage now, and so is my bro, and we both drink.

Give my regards to the dutch.....</font><hr></blockquote>

sorry, I waited till I was 21 (legal age in USA) before partaking of the fermented grains and fruits of the field.

If you Brits are all such angels the I've got one question...

where the heck does Punk Rock come from? Are those guy imported (maybe from Holland [img]smile.gif[/img] ) to give the London underground scene that "Edgyness" that the world knows and loves? If so then how come they're the ONLY singers in the whole country that actually SOUND British while their singing. (instead of like they're from somewhere in Ohio)

Honestly I think you guys are really hard on your Royals... but as long as they keep taking your money they're defacto saying "we can live with the abuse".

Where I grew up (Western New York), a little weed was nothing to get you panties in a bunch about... way over half the kids in my class were known to partake.

And regarding Alcohol not being natural... I'd have to disagree. There's evidence that fermented beverages were one of the first things human beings learned how to make... and that the Invention of Bread was a BYPRODUCT of brewing. Not to mention that it's just about as natural a process as you can get... ever heard of Lambic beers? Take a concoction with sugar in it, leave it exposed to mother nature in an attic somewhere, come back after a while and tadaaa... beer! Not just beer but beer that some people in the US will pay $20.00 a PINT for (or more).

Firstly, to Morgeruat: Well, I can happily say I've been drinking since my very first year of age ending with -teen.

and to Thoran: Hey, we ain't such angels, or at least no one I know is.

Come on Thoran, no one was saying that English citizens are Saints but the royal family has to have different standards to live by or else they are just some family that we give our money too. The whole point of the royal family in Briton now is to attract tourism, go to wimbeldon or ascot, etc. We don't give them our money so they can act like us.

My point exactly... if they're willing to take your money than they've no grounds to complain. The rest was just poking fun at the seriousness with which you guys seem to be taking the whole subject.

One thing I heard on the news here did bug me though... someone was saying how Charles should be "father of the year" (their quote not mine) for dealing with this situation so well and such. It would seem to me that paying to send your child to a rehab center takes NO parenting skill whatsoever... a "father of the year" would have cleared the polo schedule and spent some quality time with his kid. (FWIW - I'm not sure if the quote came from the British media or the US media... but it goes to show that some people just don't have a clue!)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Thoran:
My point exactly... if they're willing to take your money than they've no grounds to complain. The rest was just poking fun at the seriousness with which you guys seem to be taking the whole subject.

One thing I heard on the news here did bug me though... someone was saying how Charles should be "father of the year" (their quote not mine) for dealing with this situation so well and such. It would seem to me that paying to send your child to a rehab center takes NO parenting skill whatsoever... a "father of the year" would have cleared the polo schedule and spent some quality time with his kid. (FWIW - I'm not sure if the quote came from the British media or the US media... but it goes to show that some people just don't have a clue!)<hr></blockquote>

Just to put you right - the original news has turned out to be something of an exageration. Charles took Harry to a rehab clinic one afternoon to show him how he could end up if he kept taking drugs. It is this action that people are applauding.

lol, figures that the US press would get all the details wrong (especially if their errors make the story juicier!) CNN was saying that Prince Charles had him going to rehab.

I think his father has a lot to do with his problems. Where is James Hewitt these days anyway? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

LOL, Lansera, I don't think that the Brititsh are taking it too seriously. To be quite honest I don't know anyone who really cares that much. I can forgive you for getting some of the facts wrong as we were studying some American papers in my politics class the other day and one of the headlines was. "British public outraged!: Prince Harry drug user and boozer!" The headline should have been "British public don't seem to care!: Prince Harry has once tried a splif and has had a couple of beers" but it hardly urges you to buy the paper.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Thoran:
If you Brits are all such angels the I've got one question...

where the heck does Punk Rock come from? Are those guy imported (maybe from Holland [img]smile.gif[/img] ) to give the London underground scene that "Edgyness" that the world knows and loves? If so then how come they're the ONLY singers in the whole country that actually SOUND British while their singing. (instead of like they're from somewhere in Ohio)

Honestly I think you guys are really hard on your Royals... but as long as they keep taking your money they're defacto saying "we can live with the abuse".

Where I grew up (Western New York), a little weed was nothing to get you panties in a bunch about... way over half the kids in my class were known to partake.

And regarding Alcohol not being natural... I'd have to disagree. There's evidence that fermented beverages were one of the first things human beings learned how to make... and that the Invention of Bread was a BYPRODUCT of brewing. Not to mention that it's just about as natural a process as you can get... ever heard of Lambic beers? Take a concoction with sugar in it, leave it exposed to mother nature in an attic somewhere, come back after a while and tadaaa... beer! Not just beer but beer that some people in the US will pay $20.00 a PINT for (or more).<hr></blockquote>


<font color="cyan">First point, outside this quote: Morgeruat, if you waited til your 21, more fool you.

And regarding the quote, no1 said us British were goody goodys. Who said that?
And PUNK ROCK did come from England....yup, we did start the greatest music going. The yanks do it better now, but we still started it. And Thoran, do you know the definition of NATURAL? It means man has had nothing to do with it. That the planet did it all by itself. So alchohol, even if it was the first thing man made, it WASNT natural. Ok?</font>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Donut:


Just to put you right - the original news has turned out to be something of an exageration. Charles took Harry to a rehab clinic one afternoon to show him how he could end up if he kept taking drugs. It is this action that people are applauding.<hr></blockquote>

I posted this fact on my first post:

I wrote:

No action has been taken, except he was givin a guided tour around the clinic, for shock value.

And yes, I do want a medal for being correct.
:D </font>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel:
Firstly, to Morgeruat: Well, I can happily say I've been drinking since my very first year of age ending with -teen.

and to Thoran: Hey, we ain't such angels, or at least no one I know is.<hr></blockquote>

I was just saying it's not something EVERYONE does, altho I am one of a VERY small minority.

Lavindathar, the medal is in the post.

Natural to me means there's no manufacturing processes or fabricated (non-naturally occuring) materials involved.

But in any event... even given your strict definition the production of alcohol is a totally natural phenomina. Just take a material that contains sugar, place it in an environment where certain yeasts have access to it (pretty much anywhere since these are airborne beasties), and leave it there for a while and you WILL get alcohol... with no human intervention.

As I was saying with apples... Cows eat apples and it ferments in their stomach's... making ALCOHOL... with ABSOLUTELY NO human intervetion WHATSOEVER.

Is it magic?

Is it a miracle?

NOPE... it's NATURE!

To make a tasty alcoholic beverage requires little more than a barrel and some basic ingredients you could find in a properly outfitted garden... and time of course.

As someone who makes wine on occassion I can personally attest that you need no chemicals or preservatives... no advanced technology or scientific breakthroughs... heck you don't even need electricity or heat. Just a big old barrel, grape juice and a bit of yeast (which can be cultivated but is much easier to buy). How is that not natural? Mighty tasty when it works out properly too.