This may be little absurd, but this is what she wrote me
look here, I completely don't understand what she is talking about. well I do understand a little, but to the majority of it. no

one of us is seriously screwed up, maybe both, well, but I dont understand!!!

by the way, this letter reveals no personal information, so I consider it propriate to post here


Leo,

I'm sorry if you didn't like my attitude. I think you
need to get a life, stop being obsessed for what you
have done. (worrying too much or think I'm mad, or
upset, I was, not for too long but you made it the
longer by not releasing the past which really makes me
'more' irritable) I wish you could just think of this,
your own quote - "It takes a lot to hold the grudge".
I already told you million times that you are
forgiven.

Me too, I shall get a life myself - to not express my
feelings to those people until I find a person who
really listens and understands the honesty that are
hard for them to accept the truth. People have
problems of their own..they don't need to added the
burden of yours. I totally have my right to talk about
it or NOT. I don't, that's my problem...completely.

I figure so they don't want to listen, just to know
and just to do in their way which wouldn't be helpful
for us both. Either so what did you stayed with me
for? Well you care..wow... I don't want to play these
care'd'-head games anymore... If that's not
pathetic...PLEASE tell me what is.

Seriously....No one, and I mean NO ONE could just
really listen the truth without getting upset, or
arguing, **most of the truth could be related to any
person's feeling(s)**. Only those people who are
well-displinced or very considerable. Why is it hard
for most people to accept their actions? If they want
to be a good friend, they shall accept their
responsibilities. That's all I'm asking for. Of
course, that does applies to me too.

So if you don't start shaping up now, and to stop
thinking about our nastful past. You'll be in great
crappy-load of trouble. (That applies to your school
works, and whatever-urgent-thing(s)-is and also a risk
that you'll lose me. I cannot really think about
losing you right now. I am not in wonderful mood now.
Not for long time.

And I am asking you once to leave me alone, I need
some time alone here. DO NOT EVER call police on me
OK? If you're worrying - e-mail me, hopefully I'll
able be OK to reply 'em back. But everybody asked for
it. I don't really want to deal with everybody right
now because I don't really want to just because I
really don't want to, once again; because I don't even
want to. They got upset for me telling my feeling
after they asked me to, inter-irony - eh? I'll talk
when I am ready, bye Leo

so she is basically telling me several things

1. I worry about making her upset (heck no, I am pissed off at HER)
2. I am not someone she can completely open heart with
3. I dont care about her
4. no one can listen to her
5. no one can understand her "truth" (what "truth"???)

what else did I miss?

also, that means she still cares about me http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...l_laughter.gif

sigh, it just makes me feel so bad, why cannot people just love instead of being... (I am not using that word here)

I am serious, she only wrote this to me after I showed my madness (well, just little upset)

what the heck? when I treat her so well, she didn't give a crap

now she is encoruaging me to act like a jerk??

gee, I can write a book named
"How Jerk Is Produced" in responde to "How Iron Is Produced"

Well Leo (you don't mind if I call you Leo, right?) http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

I've read it three times, and I will admit that it's a little long winded, to say the least. Basically, you've done something in the past that you feel guilty for, and she's telling you that you need not worry about it anymore. She forgives you, and she doesn't want you to keep digging up the past. She's forgotten about it, it's over for her now, and she's suggesting that you try and forget about it too. And to lose your obsession over something, whatever it may be.

What's very clear is that she wants you to give her a break. Let her sort things out in her own mind, before she's ready to talk to you again. She needs some time alone, so that she can think about everything properly.

Judging by what she says, she does really care for you, but you will be in danger of losing her if you don't give her some space, to let her sort things out herself first. So just give her a little room, let her think about everything, email her if you need to but don't crowd her, and most importantly, respect her and listen to her.

I hope this has helped, I didn't understand it a hundred percent myself, but I've done my best. Good luck, mate http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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Alex, your effort is mostly appreciated. it does sound like she needs some space, so I'll give her that. thanks one hundred times!!!

Hi 250 http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/wavey.gif
I agree with Alex. She does care for you, but everyone needs some time to themselves once in a while. Give her a bit of time and space. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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Epona of The Laughing Hyenas
Proud winner of the 'Most Useless Post 250 Has Ever Seen' Award 2001. "I'd just like to thank my friends and family, without whom none of this would have been possible..."

hi hi hi, dear Epona http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif
thank you so much http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

**hugs**

gee, the tough guy is getting so emotional these days... grrrrrrrrrrrrrr, feels like girlish... ackkk, time to go drink some beer and get manly (I don't drink, btw)

i don't think I'm going to say overly much here.... i'm usually VERY good at advice of this sort, but i'm having a hard time figuring out just what she's saying. I'll give what it seems like to me, though, Leo you'll know if i'm right or not and whether to ignore what I say http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif I'll say now that I feel for you man, and wish you the best.

It kind of seems like she's saying you're a little obsessed with being too caring and with not making her mad. The whole 'obsessed with what you have done'...is she talking about you being concerned because she feels you are overly concerned and/or protective of her? and then bringing that fact up to her and trying to talk it out? If that's the case, the best thing I can tel you is that sometimes girls just get emotionally loaded up, and they need to vent it somewhere, and it often falls on those they care most about, especially if there's a distance thing going on. They get upset about the distance and the only place to channel the anger is onto the person who is distant. If this is the case, just don't worry about defending yourself, just tell her you understand her feelings, and feel them somewhat yourself, and you too wish things were different. Stay calm about it. she knows you're not really to blame. but trying to clear yourself in the matter will only stir her up more. So just be understanding and comforting when she talks to you about it, and don't dwell on it. Again this is only if I read the problem right. She might have some other stress going on, and trust me in the end it winds up in the same place as distance stress, and will wind up on your shoulders. Hopefully she can see that you're not really deserving of this anger, and if you are just understanding instead of getting defensive over it, she should be able to get over it.

All this is just based on personal experience, and I might have read the whole issue wrong, I'm just giving my thoughts if that is indeed the case.

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"Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans." - Lennon

Prime2u, thanks a lot. that sounds very much likely. I will give it a try... sigh

ok, three level bonus for shadow... LOL, nooooooooo chance

Umm to me, I am to say this bluntly, it is a threat and get out of her freaking life. Shape up or get out.. I don't like this...

She may be upset, but the thing is, she should try to understand you... sall she needs is a little space, and there are lots of words I think that should not be even there because the situation is already sensitive... if this is how she shows her affection, well i take back what I say... http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

Basically, she says she needs space without you... so this means "Cooling off" on where you still have a relationship going... nah why am I even saying this! You know this better than I do! hehehe

It doesn't sound good, but then if you die or something it's gonna mess up her life so don't die or do anything stupid http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Mithril Cavalier of ALSB
You almost had me? You never had me! You never had your car! It is not about winning by a mile or by an inch, its about winning.
Once Upon A Paper

geez, thanks man, I take that as a good laugh, not that what you said is funny, but the situation itself sounds ironic. self ...self what? whats the word? being sarcastic to oneself... anyway, you got the idea. I need to be less serious about this, damnit

Maybe that's it.. you're taking things too seriously.. lighten up! Cheer up! That's it! It's infectious... it will hit her in no time I tell you http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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Mithril Cavalier of ALSB
You almost had me? You never had me! You never had your car! It is not about winning by a mile or by an inch, its about winning.
Once Upon A Paper

I must admit, from the *tone* of the msg., I agree with Bahamut more than Epona or SA. I've reread her note (and still can't make much sense out of it--but then I don't know the whole story, either).

The inflection of the words says to me that she has laid an ultimatum--back off and leave her the heck alone and if you do this to her satisfaction, she *might* allow you back into her life.

I could be way off, of course. It's been one of those weeks. And I hope I am, for your sake. Ultimatums from a person you genuinely care about are *never* a good or positive thing.

I'll be around if you or anybody else needs to talk--e-mail me if necessary. Otherwise, I'm going to go try to sort out how to (or if even I can) help my dearest friend climb out of the morass of drugs/substances in which it seems she is gleefully tumbling. (more info yesterday made puzzle pieces start to fit.....by the gods, I pray I'm wrong!!!)

I'm sorry I can't be of more help, Leo.

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no no, truth are always better than being coned
I am emailing you, thank you. just what have you in mind? she is cheating? not possible, because... I don't think anyone can get along with her like that. unless she just shops around, for god's sake, I'd be pissed off. just tell me please, thank you once more

just emailed you, please read, Garnet, thank you so much

I did understand the 'shape up or get out' part and the serious of it, I just wanted to turn it into a positive note, so that twoffifee feels motivated into shaping up, instead of getting depressed about the whole situation. I tend to look at the bright side of things http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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[This message has been edited by Sorcerer Alex (edited 11-02-2001).]

this shape up thing really refers to my school work, so no worry, both of you

she knows I need to spend more time on school, http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

Sounds like she doesn't want you to rake up the past anymore, and that she cares enough for you to want you to get on with your life. Probably she is still confused as to whether to reveal her thoughts/feelings to you... just do as she says, leave her alone and hope for the best.

Sometimes, the most difficult thing is to let go and not do anything.

Okey, dokey, got the e-mail and responded, 250. I'm beginning to understand the situation a little better and it does cast a slightly different light on 'things'. Still questions, but they'll be answered.

Sorceror Alex, it seems as if she may be operating more on a severe fear of letting people really close to her than any other nefarious reason. (Or at least I hope that's the case and not nefarious). It can be a *really* terrifying feeling to open yourself to someone with the knowledge that they then have the power to devastate you. NOT that 250 would do such a thing--I **Know** he would never! But it is a very real fear that most people deal with at one time or another. There are other factors here, many of which are equally if not more seriously detrimental, but this remains a viable possibility.

250, given all, I do not think she's 'cheating'. Not unless she's award-winning actress material.

I like bright sides, really I do. But sometimes ya gotta look in the shadows to understand the rainbow. 250's looking for answers, solutions, some shred of understanding of what appears a conundrum. And this is what he has all of us for!! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif



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<LI>Guardian of the Forests
<LI>Ranger-Protectoress of Ironworks
<LI>Scourge of Hobgoblins and Assorted Bad Nasties Everywhere![/list]

**bows to Garnet**

looking for answer? sigh, yeah, you are quite right about that. I've been doing that EVER since I met her. Till this point, I can say, I know quite a lot about her, yet I understand little. not just because she is a she, but it remains mystery to me how a humanbeing fucntion under such circumanstances? what is the mind set like for such person? what does she want? what does she like? what is she scared of (that I have a pretty good guess) what is she missing about? what does she value the most in life? etc etc etc, some of those questions are hard/confusion as hell... sigh

once again, thank you for the encouraging words, they gave a lot strength

Garnet accepts 250's homage http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

Yes! I know you really want to focus on the good side but that is bad at this kind of situation...

Seriously, these kind of things need serious conversations and VERY HONEST statements... because one thing could lead to another, and given that the ending to thiis little fantasy is so bad that it rips 250 apart, the more he gives this optimism a chance, he is starting to actually magnify on the damage done. Best to keep this at a neutral level.. believe me it hurts A LOT when you think something that is not...

Well, putting aside that, those are friend talk...we all put sh*t in our way and try to deal with but when you are with her, please, do follow SA's optimistic ordeal!!! Hehehehe

Ryan acting as your father

"Leo, I am your father... bwahahahahaha!!!" http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Mithril Cavalier of ALSB
You almost had me? You never had me! You never had your car! It is not about winning by a mile or by an inch, its about winning.
Once Upon A Paper

Just a little more info here from a 'confounding female' http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

She probably doesn't have answers herself to some of these questions. And if she's ever been 'hounded' for answers before, she may be tired of the questions - irregardless of the fact that you only ask because you care. She may not only be frustrated with you, but with herself because she doesn't know what she wants or what's wrong exactly. I know I've 'lashed out' at someone who cared just because I was frustrated that I didn't have an answer. I'm sure you've been frustrated with yourself as well. Just keep in mind that you are both young. Both her finding herself and you getting answers to your questions will take time. Be patient and give her room and some time to figure out what she wants in life. I know it's hard, but you will be glad you did. Don't do ANYthing based solely on a rash emotional response. Give things time, my friend, and you will get the answers you seek. ((hugs))

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Co-Owner/Operator of the Evil Petting Zoo and devout member of the HADB clan.
Commander of the Dragon Fleet, IW Peacekeeping Force
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HopeFUL Romantic *sigh*

**hugs back**
thank you very much. I'll give it time

and Buhamat, you too, my great friend...father?? err... **face screws up**

I am gonna screw up your face more so screwing my name so very badly!!! Grrr... You make me sound like I am from the Bahamas or something!!! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...s/rolleyes.gif

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Mithril Cavalier of ALSB
You almost had me? You never had me! You never had your car! It is not about winning by a mile or by an inch, its about winning.
Once Upon A Paper

Heh 250, those kinda mails mean 2 things..
1, she's ranting, wants you to listen
2, she wants a change, but she doesnt know how to do so and wants you to come up with something
Beware: the second one normally results in an argument/dumping if you dont do anything. So basically even if she wants you to be laid back, you've still got something to do..
Chill out dude you're in too deep. Take a breath of fresh air and enjoy life without her for a while. Sometimes you have to zone-out in order to gain perspective.

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LOL, roflamo, my sincere apology, friend Bahamut

ahem, thank you for that too. I just hope I find something to do in time http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif
once again, thank you

There! At least you got it now... after all I am your father! hehehehe

You can mail me if ye wants, we here to save yer pants! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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Mithril Cavalier of ALSB
You almost had me? You never had me! You never had your car! It is not about winning by a mile or by an inch, its about winning.
Once Upon A Paper

HAHAHAHAHA, lol, thank you bro...

my father doesnt speak english, http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif